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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.12.05 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nohra Kittstalkur
Hay d00d, let's not forget that drones have a 2 second fire rate,
I accounted for this in the original calculation...otherwise I wouldnt be calling it dps but rather volley damage.
Originally by: Nohra Kittstalkur and that Dominix have only 6 high slots. This means no turrets, and 350mm and 425mm rails have > range than max trained Scout Drones drones. What you are suggesting is a COMPLETE replacement of ALL equipment on a Dominix with drone whoring gear.
I am suggesting the replacement of 5 highslot guns with 5 highslot drone control modules at a cost of mucho cpu but near zero grid, as well as the use of up to 3 lowslots with drone damage mods. This leaves 1 high, 5 mids, and 4-6 lows for use in other ways.
Originally by: Nohra Kittstalkur
What are you going to do for defense?
Armor tank + ecm or shield tank + stabs/cpu mods.
Originally by: Nohra Kittstalkur What're you going to do when all of those Ogre II meet up with someone with two Thermic hardeners?
I would use a mix of drone damage types if I had the option (which I do). Ogres are my least favorite because they are slow, but they were chosen to show just how absurd it could get.
Originally by: Nohra Kittstalkur Just because the math is scary in THEORY doesn't mean the drones will murder everything in APPLICATION. Keep in mind that Thermal is also THE most tanked damage type. Amarr use thermal, Gallente use thermal, Caldari use thermal (given turrets that are race appropriate), and a few of the Minmatar ammos do thermal.
Again, I would use a mix of drone types.
Originally by: Nohra Kittstalkur Oh, sure, you'll be killer within 45 KM given your target doesn't have hardeners for your drones. BS can hit from over 100 KM away.
Under 20k is where things matter most. Who gives a **** if a BS can shoot from outside of drone range. They cant scramble there can they?
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.05 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arti K It's balanced.
The obvious solution to a nos/ew/tanked domi with ungodly dps is to bring more of them, thus facilitating CCP's notion that more people is better than higher quality.
un true,
Drones are fine, they are brought in line with other weponsystems DPS wise.
Also Heavy deones can be outrun even in frikking AB tempest >__> , ive done that.
The thing that remains unbalansed is HEAVY NOSFERATU
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.12.05 19:03:00 -
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Let's see now. L Blaster Spec lvl 5 trained. Blasterthron is uselees. I whine a bit. CCP proceed to make blasterdomi useless as well. CCP then decide to make drones uber. /me checks skill sheet. Drone Spec lvl 5 trained. *\o/* Yay. Errr, except shield tank is teh win. WTT lots of armor tanking mods for shield boosting stuff.
*Sigh* How about some balancing? Like; * don't make drones totally nber? * and also don't make them totally useless: If I triple web the target to 0 speed and paint him I expect my drones to hit, no matter if it's a ceptor, instead of miss miss miss cause the stupid drones are orbiting at full speed? * make L blasters useful on _any_ ship? * make highend armor tanking comparable to high end shield tanking?
And the list goes on and on and on.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Felxia
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Posted - 2005.12.05 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Arti K It's balanced.
The obvious solution to a nos/ew/tanked domi with ungodly dps is to bring more of them, thus facilitating CCP's notion that more people is better than higher quality.
un true,
Drones are fine, they are brought in line with other weponsystems DPS wise.
Also Heavy deones can be outrun even in frikking AB tempest >__> , ive done that.
The thing that remains unbalansed is HEAVY NOSFERATU
why is that? all bs's can fit em?
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.12.05 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Arti K It's balanced.
The obvious solution to a nos/ew/tanked domi with ungodly dps is to bring more of them, thus facilitating CCP's notion that more people is better than higher quality.
un true,
Drones are fine, they are brought in line with other weponsystems DPS wise.
If you think that doing twice as much damage as anything else while having half the slots on your ship free to tank or use ECM is 'in line'.
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Rigsta
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Posted - 2005.12.05 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor Drone enhancement modules are a Bad IdeaÖ.
The very fact that you have fairly substantial DPS without even fitting a single module on your ship should be enough of an advantage, being able to double your drone armada, and enhance their damge and being able to run electronic warfare and being able to armor tank is a BIT MUCH.
No it's not a bad idea. These modules use up the exact same power slots as regular weapons and their respective upgrades. Hence less tank, EW or whatever else you had fitted before.
I love the idea. It's exactly what drone users need - tons of new stuff and new options for drone use. The new stuff will be available for any ship with a drone bay too. The whole thing does need balancing however. Alot of balancing. Considering a GM/Dev/BH (I forget what the red name indicates) was asking for a 1 vs. 1 Dreadnought vs. Dominix today on Singularity says to me they're aware of this and should make the appropriate adjustments before the update hits TQ. If not then I'm gonna have some fun until they fix it ----------------------------------------------- My Ideas: Drones wish list <-- 2 years old :O
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Nekhad Jormuzzar
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Posted - 2005.12.05 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nekhad Jormuzzar on 05/12/2005 20:39:45
Can none of you guys put these thoughts on the DRONE THREAD?
Why must we have a half the forum with threads repeating the same song?
Anyway, you all miss something. There's a new skill in Sisi called Advanced Drone Interface for these control modules. Each level permits the use one more module. It's rank 8 and requires Interfacing V (or should, as soon as Hammer pods Tux).
That makes using these extreme setups require 4.5 months of skill training. J0's more sensible setup, though, will still be usable. And it should be, to be honest. I for one welcome the possibility of fully speccing in drones and having an alternative to full nos in high.
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