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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.07.08 15:12:00 -
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Thread locked for spring summer cleaning. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.08 16:06:00 -
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To be fair, AFK resource harvesting and income generation plainly is not "bad" and is even encouraged, because lab monkeying and planetary interaction are viable and explicitly allowed modes of game play. If you do those activities while AFK (or even while logged out), then you face very little risk of loss, and this is all by design.
Of course, the reward in terms of ISK/hr is rather low if you spend all the wall clock time needed for these activities logged in and "watching the paint dry" on your research or PI jobs. But if you only log in as needed to keep them running, then the ISK/hr of actual /played time is quite good (at least once you have made the up front investment in training time, faction grinding, and other capital costs like high value BPOs).
If you want to go AFK while mining, you can do that. The risk is a bit higher, since players can butt in and nerf your income stream by bumping you or inflict direct losses by ganking you. But even the people bumping miners don't actually think that AFK mining is "bad"; that's just the storyline they run to explain their fun. If there were no AFK mining, there would be no miner bumping, and this little world would be all the lesser for it. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:14:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:I don't understand why you act like it's a bad thing that we attack "what won't fight back", especially considering a lot of these ships are expensive, plenty of them are profitable to kill, and some even have very blinged out fittings making them even more valuable to us. Maybe when you can spend more time looking at games instead of feeding addictions, you might understand better. James and crew aren't special and unique. Seen in various games using the same tactics. Same predictable results too.
Translation: You have no response to what I was saying, and are instead going to resort to unfounded ad hominem
Thanks for playing mate, really. I'd say it was a good run, but it was pitiful, truth be told. |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:33:00 -
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AFK mining is just symptomatic of the actual problem. That problem being mining is terribly, horribly uninteresting.
From a design standpoint you can't make any fundamental changed to mining because the cycle times for mining necessarily need to be long enough to attach a modicum of risk to an activity where you literally shoot a laser at a rock and get paid for it. Mining is so integral to the economic and risk/reward meta that making any sort of effort to increase or validate more active playstyles would fundamentally change the game at a very basic level.
Mining is profitable, but boring, is it any wonder people click on and AFK? What, you expect people to sit with rapt attention for an entire cycle in hisec, white knuckles clutching their overpriced gaming peripherals, enthralled at the breathtaking spectacle of lasering inanimate objects and occasionally watching drones blow up a belt rat?
If EVE were developed today, I'd wager mining as an activity would be very different. It's a relic of an era where it was acceptable to make people do boring stuff in games. There'd be some sort of interactive actual game attached to it, and someone would have attempted to design some fun in to it.
HOWEVER we can't just graft more fun on to hisec mining at this point. The act and ability to afk or semi-afk mine is the backbone of the EVE economy, and why a large portion of things every player buys are actually affordable to purchase or produce.
AFK mining IS bad, but it's not abhorrent from a player standpoint. CCP made mining boring, so its no wonder people will AFK it. That ability created an entire casual miner subculture that you can't just crap all over because it's a large part of your community.
I mine in a little side window at work, clicking over to drop stuff off every once in a while. As a supplement to my actual job it's kind of enjoyable. every once in a while drones blow up belt rats, the scenery is nice, and it gets a little passive income for when I got home and do actual gameplay. I wouldn't want to give that up at this point because it's such a big part of how I play EVE. I can only imagine how it feels for people who's primary activity IS mining. |
Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:47:00 -
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Max Godsnottlingson wrote:It realy boils down to two thing;
1. People who want to dictate how others play their game. And sadly that is usually rubbish PvPers who are wanting CCP to force folks in non-combat enabled ships into their patch
2. Eve like many games is full of hypocrites. AFK mining is evil and needs smashing out of game. But don't you dare touch my afk cloaking
Ignor the forum warriors who can only spout off here, just do what you want, so long as it is within the game rules.
CCP hire a lot of experts who study how it's mechanisms work, it is those people they will listen too, not some gobby little shi...so and so here.
OK, mining lasers set, drones out. Time to go feed the washing machine and getting on with giving the kitchen a good going over!
or 3. People play the game like they want to (blowing up AFK untanked miners) and fuel their ships with tears. That's not dictating your game, it's fulfilling their own. Concord provides a disincentive in the form of retribution (Loss of ship and sec status). This is not hypocritical and not dictating. Hell, they don't WANT you to quit mining as their ships would run out of fuel without the delicious tears. :)
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:21:00 -
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Now I don't know much about no fancy philosophizin' or game-balancin', to be honest I can barely count out the Void s rounds to load into muh noo-tron blasters, but I know if I finds me uh AFK miner I's to shoot it. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:25:00 -
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I assume im not unique in my experience in eve so theres probably a silent minority to what im about to say...
I have wife and kids. If i came home from work in evening and plugged my brain into eve pvp/missioning my wife would be pissed and my kids would be neglected. Mining allows me to have 90% of my attention on the family and 10% on the game while earnig me enough isk to plex my account, buy skillbooks and mess around with cheap ships/modules.
Im able to fund all these things with minimal skill and effort. I almost exlusively ice mine because ore mining takes too much attention....yup i cant even give the game enough attention to make ore mining worth it. If they made mining any more interactive i would stop doing it. Rather than one eye on my screen i would just stay logged off. Log in to update my skill que, until 3 month down the line i start wondering why i bother even paying the $15. So do u guys want a semi afk miner who subscribes to the game every month and helps keep ship prices down or none at all?
As it is, im just enough invested in the game to contimue plodding along. Until i can fly a carrier which is the carrot ive put in front of myself
Ive never been ganked while mining. I jettison a can and orbit it. I used to orbit ice but sometimes my warp out would be messed up by the ice. I have shield extenders on. My overview has ice removed so i can see possible threats easier. Ill die eventually but ive done what i can and so far so good.
I like the new order guys. It adds a small jolt of danger here and there when they attack, im watching them harvest the wreckage from their last kill hoping im not next. Or amusement watching them bump people.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with afk miners. Eve SHOULD cater to different subscribers. Removing afk gameplay to force people to interact with eve more will just lose subscribers and drive down the # of interactions more engaged players can have.
The reason i say i speak for other people is the people who dont have the RL time availble to play eve u bitter vets want from us...also dont bother to post on the forum. Many of these players have one foot out the door already. I go on the forums from my phone at work. Considering most vets have 2-9 alt accounts im sure other players like myself are small insignificant minority. But is there any reason to push us away because we arent, cant, wont engage in the eve universe as deeply as u want or think u can get us to if mining was more interactive? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:25:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Now I don't know much about no fancy philosophizin' or game-balancin', to be honest I can barely count out the Void s rounds to load into muh noo-tron blasters, but I know if I finds me uh AFK miner I's to shoot it.
"Song, song of the South..." Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
366
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:34:00 -
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Mag's wrote:There is nothing wrong with AFK mining, but you need to accept that bad things may happen to your ship whilst AFK. This.
CCP Ytterbium: You got it wrong people, you're not supposed to be happy!
You're supposed to riot! Set things on fire with the flame wars! Start the threadnaught! Fire ze missiles! Rage! Let the anger consume you! |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
366
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:54:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:When I mined on my main in WoW, even a healer could fight the mobs off. Last time I mined in WoW, a few moments after I used to swing my pickaxe the ore just popped in front of my eyes. And the cheating bots traveling under the map were mostly faster in getting to the next respawn.
Since you couldn't see them, there also was no possibility to identify and report them. At least none, without using a cheat yourself.
CCP Ytterbium: You got it wrong people, you're not supposed to be happy!
You're supposed to riot! Set things on fire with the flame wars! Start the threadnaught! Fire ze missiles! Rage! Let the anger consume you! |
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