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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:26:00 -
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I just realized that all of these conversations and issues are done in English. What do the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and other non-English speaking players think of Sean Decker formally of Electronic Arts?
Does CSM have people who speak those languages to listen to what those players have to say? Does CSM meet before CCP and say, "The European players say this, but the Chinese players think that about the same issue. We think this is a good compromise between those two player sentiments"?
Are the CSM announcements or positions on issues translated into the other languages so that the WHOLE player base are aware of and on the same page as English speakers? Do they feel the same way about Sean Decker, Microtransactions, and Mintchip as the English speaking players who post their thoughts here do?
I ask this because, I play during odd hours sometimes, and I see players out there. I click on their bios, and it's in Russian, Japanese, or some other language. What's their take on all of this? Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:49:00 -
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Chinese have their own server, so what they think as a group is totally irrelevant. In the western world every educated person knows at least basic english of some variety and CCP has local community managers, so language isn't going to be much of an issue for feedback. In all propability the forum posts you've already read are from a wide variety of nationalities and for many english isn't their first language, so you already have your answer. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2873
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:55:00 -
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I think it's adorable that the OP believes the CSM is relevant to anything CCP decides to do.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:01:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I just realized that all of these conversations and issues are done in English. What do the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and other non-English speaking players think of Sean Decker formally of Electronic Arts?
Well, they can also speak English too (I'm Japanese-Swedish, BTW), and stated enough on the other thread about it. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:03:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Chinese have their own server, so what they think as a group is totally irrelevant.
Even if they are on a different server, their buying the same game, and will face the same issues as we do. I don't think
Destination SkillQueue wrote:In the western world every educated person knows at least basic english of some variety and CCP has local community managers, so language isn't going to be much of an issue for feedback.
So, if they don't speak any English, they're not educated?
Destination SkillQueue wrote:In all propability the forum posts you've already read are from a wide variety of nationalities and for many english isn't their first language, so you already have your answer.
I don't want probability. I want facts. Do not be so proud that you believe your post to be the answer to answer all questions.
I don't want condescension. I want answers. Or honest opinions.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:18:00 -
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I'd like to pay a plex a year per account to be called "sir" (or better yet a fixed isk fee to NPCs like rent, for reasons described below)
Things like "Warp drive active Sir " " Permission to dock has been granted sir."
Maybe another voice in station saying "Welcome to the Amarr Emperor fammily Station sir (can we wash your space ship?) "
I suppose I'd pay even more to have a Psa Psa Gabor voice (for the benefit of the eastern Europeans?) calling me "Master" like the Genie called the Astronauts in the 60's sitcom.
I mean.. .. if they had it in sitcoms they can have it in imaginary space ship worlds?
Maybe one plex equivalent a year for "sir" , two plex equivalents a year for "master" ?
A choice of a flat $ cost or with a flat Isk alternative could create a sought for isk sink and a beensy bit of a buffer in the rise of plex if executed in certain ways . The limited demand (not all players would want to pay 100's of millions of isk or 10$ to be called "sir" (or "master') wouldn't turn it into a fungible third currency. ( ... I suspect a larger percentage of plex purchases by weight of magnitude(not by # of players occasionally buying one or two a month) are from 1 or 2% of the players who buy dozens of plex at once in order to purchase a 20 billion isk character from the char bazaar or replace super cap (obviously not if they have good footing with a first rate moon holding corp which would likely pay for tha --- but one player wouldn't pay more than once a year per account to be called sir.. and most wouldn't pay it once)
Having a fixed isk NPC price for the vanity privilege would tend to increase the supply of plex when the ratio became favorable to sell plex and use isk to pay the NPCs.
Micro-transactions for Vanity things like a Title that no one but the player would hear that wouldn't disrupt other peoples game play .
Properly structured with NPC isk alternatives to surrendering a plex for the privilege would keep those micro transactions from driving up plex prices in ways that do affect peoples game play (a great many people do pay for mutiple alts with plex... not because they like the game time they spend making isk and like to have a way to employ the isk they make in terms of the joys of maximizing IRR in game.. not some translation of outside wages to time running incursions ... they play to make isk,, they don't play because they need the isk for pvp ships. |
Luis Graca
197
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:11:00 -
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Just an ideia
If you wanna know what do people that don't speak english think maybe you shouldn't ask in english |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:36:00 -
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Because there wasn't enough feedback on the subject already, suddenly another decker thread.
Neat. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
264
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:39:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:So, if they don't speak any English, they're not educated? If they're not educated, where did they learn to speak English (or any other foreign language)?
I've lived in multiple countries, you don't learn languages by accident. |
Zane Lowe
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.11 00:10:00 -
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Considering they don't speak english, I doubt they follow the english video game scene, and probably don't care. |
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.07.11 00:14:00 -
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We don't know they're saying because the news hasn't been released in their region yet.
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Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.07.11 00:16:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I just realized that all of these conversations and issues are done in English. What do the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and other non-English speaking players think of Sean Decker formally of Electronic Arts?
Does CSM have people who speak those languages to listen to what those players have to say? Does CSM meet before CCP and say, "The European players say this, but the Chinese players think that about the same issue. We think this is a good compromise between those two player sentiments"?
Are the CSM announcements or positions on issues translated into the other languages so that the WHOLE player base are aware of and on the same page as English speakers? Do they feel the same way about Sean Decker, Microtransactions, and Mintchip as the English speaking players who post their thoughts here do?
I ask this because, I play during odd hours sometimes, and I see players out there. I click on their bios, and it's in Russian, Japanese, or some other language. What's their take on all of this?
They have a Russian, German, and Chinese(?) forum if you scroll down the list instead of stopping at the dumping ground that is GD these days. If you click the DEV POSTS button, you'll also see dev blogs and posts in other languages.
As to why these are all in english, it's because these are the english language forums, and the rules say to post in english.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.07.11 03:50:00 -
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I suppose I wasn't clear. I didn't ask why non-English info are not posted on the English language forum. I'm asking if they're as fired up about the same issues as we are? Are they just as upset that a former EA exec is going to work at CCP as a senior VP in charge of everything, or are we English speakers the only ones that care about it? Do they have a CSM to represent them or is the CSM only capable of representing players from a limited region at the CCP meetings?
CCP provides a service to a global market. Is CSM representing globally, or regionally?
It looks like from your responses, you misunderstood my line of questions, or the answer is simply. No. They don't care about what people on the English language forums care about. And, no. CSM's player representative reach is limited. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.07.11 04:32:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I don't want probability. I want facts.
Then why don't you keep your gaping cakehole shut until we actually have some facts? Even one?
Every single forum post about Sean Decker has been speculative, hand-wrining, drama-laden bullshit. It's ridiculous. We literally don't even know if he will have a direct role in EVE's future and yet here we are on like Page 50 of the "dicussion" regarding the implications of his hiring for the game.
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.07.11 04:46:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Inokuma Yawara wrote:I don't want probability. I want facts. Then why don't you keep your gaping cakehole shut until we actually have some facts? Even one? Every single forum post about Sean Decker has been speculative, hand-wrining, drama-laden bullshit. It's ridiculous. We literally don't even know if he will have a direct role in EVE's future and yet here we are on like Page 50 of the "dicussion" regarding the implications of his hiring for the game.
That's NOT what my post is about. I'm not asking about Sean Decker. I don't even think you read my post. You are assuming I want facts about Sean Decker, but that means you did not read my post.
You FAILED.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.07.11 04:54:00 -
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Luis Graca wrote:Just an ideia
If you wanna know what do people that don't speak english think maybe you shouldn't ask in english
*sigh* This is probably where I failed.
I assumed that someone who could read, write, and speak one of the other languages could take a quick look at the other forums to see what their take on these matters were, then come back here and let us know. However, I was gravely mistaken. I assumed others would understand that was what I was asking, but based on the responses I got, I don't think anyone has actually read my post. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5666
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Posted - 2013.07.11 05:23:00 -
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I was under the impression that Decker predates all the stuff that people hate about modern EA, so all of this negativity towards him is rather unwarranted.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't been paying much attention to the subject and nor do I particularly care to.
EA used to be a pretty good company. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2013.07.11 05:26:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote: That's NOT what my post is about. I'm not asking about Sean Decker. I don't even think you read my post. You are assuming I want facts about Sean Decker, but that means you did not read my post.
You FAILED.
Right, right. Sorry. You just want "facts" about what people who speak other languages think about the speculative, completely baseless bullshit that has been slung ABOUT Sean Decker since his hire, right?
Right.
Fail. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15147
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:04:00 -
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INB4AAW
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Templar Knightsbane
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
50
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:06:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:I'm Japanese-Swedish-Panda-Paladin
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Rengerel en Distel
1687
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:45:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:Luis Graca wrote:Just an ideia
If you wanna know what do people that don't speak english think maybe you shouldn't ask in english *sigh* This is probably where I failed. I assumed that someone who could read, write, and speak one of the other languages could take a quick look at the other forums to see what their take on these matters were, then come back here and let us know. However, I was gravely mistaken. I assumed others would understand that was what I was asking, but based on the responses I got, I don't think anyone has actually read my post.
We read your post, but it wasn't clear that's what you were asking for. It sounded more like you were worried that players that didn't speak english weren't getting the same info as english speakers, and that their thoughts weren't being heard. As I said before, the blogs are translated in to the other languages, and they also have CCP community managers.
As to the CSM, I don't believe you have a solid grasp on what they do. Perhaps head over to Jita Park and read up a bit.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Tron 3K
Three Thousand Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:51:00 -
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The OP is either a really bad troll or fing dumb.. I'm going to go with both of these as FACTS! Aparently Re Tard ed is a bad word... |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
477
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:49:00 -
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All the Chinese, Japanese, Malaysian, Hindu, Korean, and basically every player who does not speak English has written me to say they love EA, they love this new guy, and they hope micro transactions come to Eve as soon as possible. However, they have all pointed out that this fellow was not hired to work on Eve and that he has not yet pointed to any new direction for play in Eve. He thinks the idea that CCP would hire somebody with microtransaction experience might be a good thing for Dust, since, guess what, Dust does include microtransactions. Oh, and most non-English speakers think you should get over yourself and wait for some real information. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:15:00 -
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*sigh*........ Bunch of smart assess.... Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
154
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:30:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I just realized that all of these conversations and issues are done in English. What do the Russians, Chinese, Japanese, and other non-English speaking players think of Sean Decker formally of Electronic Arts?
I suppose you would have to ask our Chinese, Japanese, and Russian CSM members.
The sound of the Amarrian heart |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
421
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:31:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:I suppose I wasn't clear. I didn't ask why non-English info are not posted on the English language forum. I'm asking if they're as fired up about the same issues as we are?
Those on the forums aren't the normal players. Normal players just play the game. Those on the forums are either trolls, special interests or trying somehow to get a better game. Most players just ignore the game forums anyway because of the drama. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10718
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Posted - 2013.07.12 06:34:00 -
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CCP don't run their hiring decisions past us, you may be shocked and appalled to learn. Being "unpaid game designers" keeps us busy enough without being unpaid HR as well.
At such time as Mr Decker starts making decisions that materially affect EVE and in the event we think those decisions should be brought to the attention of the players, we will use such multilinguicity as we possess to do so as widely as possible.
1 Kings 12:11
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