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Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
252
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:37:00 -
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You wanted market pvp when you thought you could make a quick buck out of someone else's "mistake" entering prices on the market/contract, but when it turns out to be a scam then suddenly you don't like market pvp anymore. That's hypocrisy and you are greedy and deserved to be scammed. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2336
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:01:00 -
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Thank you for that PSA.
Next time try the 'reply' button instead of 'new topic'?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
407
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:13:00 -
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Well, this shows some players are very "sensitive" about this subject, and don't want a sacred cow to be changed.
Scamming as a mechanic is a fools errand, because in the end it will be tweaked. Anything that can affect the bottom line of a game is on notice it can be changed, and sometimes even overnight.
And scamming devs to keep scamming alive is a sure method to get their attention (which is why it's often advised to not talk about certain subjects, unless you do want scamming to end, then...carry on!). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1322
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:18:00 -
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If scamming ends, so will Eve. Oh god. |
Tachibane Kanade
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:42:00 -
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Scamming to a certain extend is interesting, and keeps everyone on the edge though. However I believe there should be certain checks in place.
I can appreciate a good well thought out scam (Butterfly Effect). But I can't really appreciate the endless local spamming of people saying give me X million/billion and I double it for you up till a maximum of X amount. Read my bio for more information.
However, in one case (Erotica, there is a topic about him on this forum) which is very amusing because there seem to be a lot of people believing he isnt a scammer... that guy puts alot of effort in his 'image' and is a really good scammer which I kinda respect. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
477
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:43:00 -
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You want to scam people because of your greed. You thought you would take advantage of people's ignorance of the market place and pretend you were doing it for some noble cause. It's easier for you to do that if you don't have to admit that you are a thief. Better to blame the other person, who probably has no idea why you are offering a higher price for something than is likely to be right. In fact, that person has no obligation to figure out why you are listing the item at such a high price. That person figures you made the buy order so you must want the goods. Nice try, but you are the one who is pond scum.
Scamming is something that CCP does not want to police, and that's why it's allowed. It completely negates risk vs reward. I don't think a lot of people talk about Eve being such a great game because of all the scamming it allows. Just a hunch.
I take it you are feeling a bit guilty about your need to steal. I'm sure you'll manage to overcome your tiny speck of a conscience, though. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1322
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:51:00 -
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Your jimmies seem adequately rustled. Oh god. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
408
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Posted - 2013.07.11 13:04:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Scamming is something that CCP does not want to police, and that's why it's allowed. It completely negates risk vs reward. I don't think a lot of people talk about Eve being such a great game because of all the scamming it allows. Just a hunch.
That in the end is it's Achilles heel.
If the negatives are higher than the positives, devs rethink designs.
It's tolerated in EvE for now. Like can flipping was tolerated. If/when the bottom line gets hurt, expect scamming to be redefined in EvE.
EvE is only "player controlled" if it doesn't effect the cash flow. Touch that sacred cow, things change quickly. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
15148
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Posted - 2013.07.11 13:23:00 -
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INB4AAW
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
954
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:21:00 -
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I don't care for scammers. That's why I created an honest game of isk doubling. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2883
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:24:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote: I don't care for scammers. That's why I created an honest game of isk doubling.
Truly honest people don't need to continually proclaim their honesty.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
954
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:26:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I don't care for scammers. That's why I created an honest game of isk doubling.
Truly honest people don't need to continually proclaim their honesty.
I'm just throwing my 2 isk into the conversation. You should try to add value to the forum instead of trolling it incessantly. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:28:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:You wanted market pvp when you thought you could make a quick buck out of someone else's "mistake" entering prices on the market/contract, but when it turns out to be a scam then suddenly you don't like market pvp anymore. That's hypocrisy and you are greedy and deserved to be scammed. Not strictly true. They might have simply been ignorant. Or careless. Or in a hurry (see: Careless). But yeah, a large percentage, probably the majority, were folks looking to 'get something for nothing' or looking for a bargain at someone else's expense. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
619
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:28:00 -
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I got scammed once, then I got my money back, plus a few trillion. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2883
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:29:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I don't care for scammers. That's why I created an honest game of isk doubling.
Truly honest people don't need to continually proclaim their honesty. I'm just throwing my 2 isk into the conversation. You should try to add value to the forum instead of trolling it incessantly.
My 2 isk is that you keep your scam in-game instead of promoting it here incessantly.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Plastic Psycho
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:31:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Your jimmies seem adequately rustled.
Oh god.
The justaposition of your comment with your signature is hilarious. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
475
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:41:00 -
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No one ever buys into my scams. Why can't I ever fool people into paying me billions for 10 soldiers? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15446
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:14:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Scamming as a mechanic is a fools errand, because in the end it will be tweaked. Scamming is not a mechanic, though.
Quote:It's tolerated in EvE for now. Like can flipping was tolerated. If/when the bottom line gets hurt, expect scamming to be redefined in EvE. You got that one the wrong way around. If scamming was redefined, it would hurt the bottom line. Oh, and your use of GÇ£wasGÇ¥ in the context of can flipping is incorrect. What you mean to say is that can flipping is tolerated. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:31:00 -
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Quote:Eve's only truly honest isk doubling business! Don't waste time with scammers and their bs! This is not charity but a business that is funded by those who cannot follow these simple rules, so I rarely have to dip into my own reserves. I make my isk from those that fail to read rules here, that is what separates me from the scammers.
Rules:
Send me 50M-500M, get 2x back.
Send 600M to 1 Billion get 3x back. Invest 3-5 Billion and get 5x back!
over 50 BILLION liquid isk, over 250 billion in assets, so your amounts can be easily covered. However, I do limit 3 investments per player. This is necessary to keep business afloat. Each investment must be at least 2x what you received just prior. Toons must be >4 weeks old.
Rules are straight-forward. Amounts not listed are donations.
So some kind of pedantic semantic song and dance, I guess?
Can anyone explain what "her" scam is, exactly? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2337
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:36:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote: So some kind of pedantic semantic song and dance, I guess?
Can anyone explain what "her" scam is, exactly?
I'm sure someone can, yes.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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Maximillian German
Spectres Syndicate
12
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:52:00 -
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She pretends to be legit. First time you put a small amount in to test the water, she returns it. Then, when you get confident, she keeps it. Simple. Has some people(alts methinks) who claim that she is legit. Uses the rules in her bio to write off people who complain. Following her rules doesn't matter if you put enough in. And invariably people do. |
Verunae Caseti
Viziam Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:58:00 -
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Maximillian German wrote:She pretends to be legit. First time you put a small amount in to test the water, she returns it. Then, when you get confident, she keeps it. Simple. Has some people(alts methinks) who claim that she is legit. Uses the rules in her bio to write off people who complain. Following her rules doesn't matter if you put enough in. And invariably people do.
Oh, so it's just the same scam as every other idiot? Jeez, that's boring. Was hoping for something clever. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
843
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:02:00 -
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OP probably runs a margin trading scam or fell for one. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
583
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:40:00 -
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Scams? I pay into isk doubters just so they can continue to apply their trade. Eve with out scams is not eve at all. It's goons. Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium. WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't pay for a product, you ARE the product. |
duglas Luven
Confederate Industry and Investments Inc. Confederacy of Stellar Empires
1
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Posted - 2013.07.22 09:30:00 -
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Verunae Caseti wrote:Quote:Eve's only truly honest isk doubling business! Don't waste time with scammers and their bs! This is not charity but a business that is funded by those who cannot follow these simple rules, so I rarely have to dip into my own reserves. I make my isk from those that fail to read rules here, that is what separates me from the scammers.
Rules:
Send me 50M-500M, get 2x back.
Send 600M to 1 Billion get 3x back. Invest 3-5 Billion and get 5x back!
over 50 BILLION liquid isk, over 250 billion in assets, so your amounts can be easily covered. However, I do limit 3 investments per player. This is necessary to keep business afloat. Each investment must be at least 2x what you received just prior. Toons must be >4 weeks old.
Rules are straight-forward. Amounts not listed are donations. So some kind of pedantic semantic song and dance, I guess? Can anyone explain what "her" scam is, exactly?
Pretend for a moment it is an honest deal. Just send 5 billion 1 time and be done with it. It's set up so that is the most you can get from it. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
207
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:22:00 -
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Who exactly doesn't know that Erotica is a scammer? I thought that was known to everyone by now.
I personally don't like scamming, but i appreciate it is something that makes EVE unique and without it EVE would have lost something special. I do however think that the spamming that goes alongside it is ludicrous. Any trade hub locals windows are pointless to read because of all the spam, and its too time consuming to mute everyone. I think that in a trade hub you should have to pay a CSPA charge to speak, which increases as you continue to post in a short time.
I also think many scammers are breaking the EULA, since you are not allowed to reroll a character to avoid consequences (so like you cant reroll a ganker to regain sec status). but a lot of scammers reroll all the time.
TLDR: scamming makes eve unique, spamming however is bad and should be looked into. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Whitehound
1629
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:35:00 -
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TL;DR: All ISKs from scams go into charity. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
duglas Luven
Confederate Industry and Investments Inc. Confederacy of Stellar Empires
1
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:00:00 -
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When it comes to scams I just don't get involved. People wanta scam, I say go for it. I even get a kick out of reading them. |
symolan
BamBam Inc.
13
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:00:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I don't care for scammers. That's why I created an honest game of isk doubling.
Truly honest people don't need to continually proclaim their honesty. I'm just throwing my 2 isk into the conversation.
here are another 2 ISK. Can you double it please? |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
77
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:04:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Who exactly doesn't know that Erotica is a scammer? I thought that was known to everyone by now.
I personally don't like scamming, but i appreciate it is something that makes EVE unique and without it EVE would have lost something special. I do however think that the spamming that goes alongside it is ludicrous. Any trade hub locals windows are pointless to read because of all the spam, and its too time consuming to mute everyone. I think that in a trade hub you should have to pay a CSPA charge to speak, which increases as you continue to post in a short time.
I also think many scammers are breaking the EULA, since you are not allowed to reroll a character to avoid consequences (so like you cant reroll a ganker to regain sec status). but a lot of scammers reroll all the time.
TLDR: scamming makes eve unique, spamming however is bad and should be looked into.
Spamming is something you get in any MMO where a lot of players are gather, independent of the ability to scam or not.
And you can't reroll a character to mitigate *game mechanics*. It's a subtle difference, but rerolling a character that's outed as a scammer/corp thief/whatever is not the same as ditching your ingame sec status.
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