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CanI haveyourstuff
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.13 12:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.
1800 DPS at long range? Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000?
Holy fck if 30ish km is long range to you... motherofgod. obviously I'm not talking about 1800+ dps up to 166km or am I ? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1532
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Posted - 2013.07.13 13:22:00 -
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It is probably due for some balancing.
Now if only CCP had some program to follow in order to rebalance all the ships in EVE... |
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:32:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Might i suggest that you're just bad at Eve? If you want to I suppose. |
Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:48:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Rattlesnake is currently best L4 ship in game by miles.
It's also a great incursion ship. (( 40 man anchor )) Does great in VG's too now that it can put out over 1200 dps.
I don't know about incursion |
Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.07.13 14:50:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Buddy with spider tank always helps RS in WH. On top of that it can tank L5's It can select damage type with ease. Has monster range. Has huge tank both in effective health and repair. It is PvE king! As a neut / Dps ship it's also one hell of a PvP boat. Can be a sniper at the same time! ......... It's the single most over powered sub cap in the game right now and I love it! If you still want to give it a buff I won't argue.
Dont' take as personal but this post is full of bullXXXX.
1) wh... u need 2 blap dread, 2 triage archon , 2 armor loki. if u are doing other way u r doing it wrong. 2) select my ass, only high damage drones are gallente and only a fraction of dps comes from missile. 3) only cruise have long range, garde miss over 40km, heavy drones slow as hell, targeting lock range also... 4) this is eve not WOW, ships doesn't have " health ", btw yes it's a brick but there are other ships with similar tank and way better dps like scorpion navy, golem, vargur... 5) not king of pve because:
- anomaly --> high dps (vindi,machariel,nightmare,carrier...) - plex --> tengu - wh read up - level 4 (lol.. level4) -level 5...sure one of best ships for level 5, u still need intel, clr local, RR, i would use a faster tengu over a fat bs hull or a cheap gila - pvp...could write till tomorrow...where do i can start. U got bhaalgorn with neut and web bonuses, t1 geddon with monster neut range and same drone damage and 1 more launcher. U are not going to field a lone faction brick sitting still without any sort of logi,cap transfer or dps. U can have 1 bazzilion ehp u still gonna die because u r sitting pointed, webbed and scrambled. So if u bring neut take a geddon or a bhaal, if u want to play like a boss bring a nano mach with loki booster. Rattle is a coffin and sentry are the spikes. - sniper missile bs XD no need to spend a word on it
So if u think rattle is overpowered just because a noob with low sp can tank his favorite level 4 mission...
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Lugia3
End-of-Line
456
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Posted - 2013.07.15 07:19:00 -
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Atkins Friendly wrote:Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game?
Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place. Yarr |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
57
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:57:00 -
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Nah, you can reach higher with a Rattle, almost double the passive HP/s to be precise. The Myrmidon is equivalent to the SNI in passive shielding. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
166
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Posted - 2013.07.15 12:23:00 -
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Yes, the Rattlesnake is in dire need of a buff. |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
64
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:07:00 -
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Giullare wrote: Dont' take as personal but this post is full of bullXXXX.
Lol. So as not to waste time, all I will say is disregard this fine gentleman's misguided post. The enemy of my enemy is... -ájust another guy that needs killin' |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1220
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:31:00 -
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CanI haveyourstuff wrote:Malcanis wrote:CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.
1800 DPS at long range? Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000? Holy ... if 30ish km is long range to you... motherofgod. obviously I'm not talking about 1800+ dps up to 166km or am I ?
30k people tend to call kite range, long range tends to be ranges out of normal pvp ranges, so 50k+. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
676
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:09:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Atkins Friendly wrote:Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game? Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place. Fits please. Going full tank I've made both drakes and Rattlesnakes that exceed anything I've gotten fro a myrm in a similar configuration. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1113
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:42:00 -
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I don't quite get these complaints.. The Rattler is pretty epic, i'd rather see a vindi/mach nerf then a Rattler buff. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
573
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:04:00 -
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Ciyrine wrote:Whats a passive shield tank fit look? And why is that so good compared to active tank which i assume probably has higher ehp in return for not being passive?
Well a passive fit can't be neuted into oblivion for one. It's ahrd to run hardener/reps when your cap is sitting at 0... |
Vic Teishikuro
Rescue Team
2
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:31:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I don't quite get these complaints.. The Rattler is pretty epic, i'd rather see a vindi/mach nerf then a Rattler buff.
lol I hate the World of EvE that has join the whole Everything thats better is OP and should be nerfed.
Nerf is not the way to go.
When A gila(crusier) has the same amount of drone damage as the rattle there is a problem.
The rattle should get a Special bonus: 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage
Caldari bonus: 4% bonus to shield resist Gallante bonus:10% bonus to drone damage and hit points instead of 10%.
That should bring it right about on par with the other pirate faction bs, and if CCP made the drone bay smaller by 75m3 it would justify the extra hit points since it would have alot more heavy drones to replace the lost ones.
It would then keep the Rattle has the top sub-cap drone boat. |
Vic Teishikuro
Rescue Team
2
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:42:00 -
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What would also be really cool is making the ratlle the only Sub-cap to field more than 5 drones it would look something like this
The rattle should get a Special bonus: 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage
Caldari bonus: 4% bonus to shield resist Gallante bonus:1 extra drone control per level |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
196
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:40:00 -
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Vic Teishikuro wrote:What would also be really cool is making the ratlle the only Sub-cap to field more than 5 drones
guardian vexor says hi.....
If you got the 10 drones back...ccp would remove/nerf the drone damage bonus to balance it out. You would not be getting a 1500 dps pure sentry damage rattler (I am looking at max skill fit at 750 ish) plinking away targets at 58ish+ km's (optimal). You get whatever was need to keep your roughly 750ish (with 3 DDA max skill in the fitting app I am looking at, necom for ios as eft not handy atm.) with the 10 sentries. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1121
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:01:00 -
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Vic Teishikuro wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I don't quite get these complaints.. The Rattler is pretty epic, i'd rather see a vindi/mach nerf then a Rattler buff. lol I hate the World of EvE that has join the whole Everything thats better is OP and should be nerfed. Nerf is not the way to go. When A gila(crusier) has the same amount of drone damage as the rattle there is a problem. The rattle should get a Special bonus: 50% to missle vilocity Caldari bonus: 4% bonus to shield resist Gallante bonus:20% bonus to drone hit points and damage That should bring it right about on par with the other pirate faction bs, and if CCP made the drone bay smaller by 75m3 it would justify the extra hit points since it would have alot more heavy drones to replace the lost ones. It would then keep the Rattle has the top sub-cap drone boat.
Nerfs are generally better than buffs, nerfs don't powercreep and powercreep is bad. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Atkins Friendly
NightWatch Ind
13
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:08:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Atkins Friendly wrote:Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game? Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place.
I'm sorry, but since when is a Myrm a shield tank? Let alone a passive one? |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
235
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:29:00 -
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Atkins Friendly wrote:Lugia3 wrote:Atkins Friendly wrote:Doesnt the rattlesnake have the largest subcap passive shield tank in game? Second, actually. The Myrmidon claims first place. I'm sorry, but since when is a Myrm a shield tank? Let alone a passive one?
I've seen passive-shield Myrms about from time to time. It's got five mids and a decent native shield recharge rate, so some people will do shield buffer and hardeners in the mids and load up on gank modules and SPRs in the lows. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1121
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:02:00 -
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Passive shield myrms?
WHY????
For fucks sake, i'm out..... BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
973
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:28:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Vic Teishikuro wrote:What would also be really cool is making the ratlle the only Sub-cap to field more than 5 drones guardian vexor says hi..... If you got the 10 drones back...ccp would remove/nerf the drone damage bonus to balance it out. You would not be getting a 1500 dps pure sentry damage rattler (I am looking at max skill fit at 750 ish) plinking away targets at 58ish+ km's (optimal). You get whatever was need to keep your roughly 750ish (with 3 DDA max skill in the fitting app I am looking at, necom for ios as eft not handy atm.) with the 10 sentries.
Yet Guardian Vexor is ... terrible. Test it our on SISI, it's really terrible. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Jasmine Assasin
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.07.18 19:13:00 -
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WTB Rattlesnake that can do DPS without using sentry drones.
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
172
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:58:00 -
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Giullare wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:Buddy with spider tank always helps RS in WH. On top of that it can tank L5's It can select damage type with ease. Has monster range. Has huge tank both in effective health and repair. It is PvE king! As a neut / Dps ship it's also one hell of a PvP boat. Can be a sniper at the same time! ......... It's the single most over powered sub cap in the game right now and I love it! If you still want to give it a buff I won't argue. Dont' take as personal but this post is full of bullXXXX. 1) wh... u need 2 blap dread, 2 triage archon , 2 armor loki. if u are doing other way u r doing it wrong. 2) select my ass, only high damage drones are gallente and only a fraction of dps comes from missile. 3) only cruise have long range, garde miss over 40km, heavy drones slow as hell, targeting lock range also... 4) this is eve not WOW, ships doesn't have " health ", btw yes it's a brick but there are other ships with similar tank and way better dps like scorpion navy, golem, vargur... 5) not king of pve because: - anomaly --> high dps (vindi,machariel,nightmare,carrier...) - plex --> tengu - wh read up - level 4 (lol.. level4) -level 5...sure one of best ships for level 5, u still need intel, clr local, RR, i would use a faster tengu over a fat bs hull or a cheap gila - pvp...could write till tomorrow...where do i can start. U got bhaalgorn with neut and web bonuses, t1 geddon with monster neut range and same drone damage and 1 more launcher. U are not going to field a lone faction brick sitting still without any sort of logi,cap transfer or dps. U can have 1 bazzilion ehp u still gonna die because u r sitting pointed, webbed and scrambled. So if u bring neut take a geddon or a bhaal, if u want to play like a boss bring a nano mach with loki booster. Rattle is a coffin and sentry are the spikes. - sniper missile bs XD no need to spend a word on it So if u think rattle is overpowered just because a noob with low sp can tank his favorite level 4 mission...
Gardes are not the only drones in town. Pvp snakes should be caring wardens and gardes. This goes for neut RS especially. Warden sniper with the cruise when you land on grid. 80-110k off targets. Pulls 952 dps at that range. (( 93.75k max range without signal amp or signal booster )) Any ship that runs up to get a point on you attack first. When it gets to point range it also got into neut range. Now add the web and enjoy the kill. If you can't catch it for some god awful reason you just neut till point breaks and warp out.
I guess the lol to L4's is saying it is the best ship for the job.
As far as WH goes I was not referring to people who live in them full time. Although still not a bad choice for that. Many people visit WH space with spider tanked bs's and just make some isk. RS being a good choice for such things.
With Cruise missiles and gardes I pull over 1200 dps with my pve fit RS.
PvP drops down to 1140 dps
The ships you listed do not have similar health to a RS. More of the damage comes from missiles v.s. the drones and does not get fully applied in game when using those ships.
The navy scorp does not out dps a RS even when both are using missile implants.
The geddon is a good ship for pvp neut ship. I enjoy mine very much. But it is more for big cap fights which is not where you bring in a RS.
RS shines a lot more in non sov space play styles. From the sounds of it that is not you. |
Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:48:00 -
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You are talking about " sniping rattlesnake " with warden and cruise but u don't know what u are talking about. If u are sniping i guess u don't hold point on target or u are using dictors or tackler mates... so if u are using dedicated tacklers why take an half bil faction bs for the work a tier 3 bc can do?
Also...1200 dps with warden and cruise is unrealistic because u can get to 1200-1300 with garde, rage torpedo and a low slot rack with DDA and BCU. So i must assume u are warrioring with eft with +6% hardwirings and overloaded launchers and officer DDA.
That said a " sniping " sentry faction bs in non sov space is like screaming in local " hey i'm here sitting 0 speed, decloak your recon 2000m from me and light a cyno! " The mach is so popular because it kites. Vindi and bhaalgorn are used with carrier support because even if they can engage only short or mid range they can pack quite a lot of dps and capacitor warfare.
A sniper faction bs that can't be aligned is just bad. U can use ishtar ,gila, t1 dominix , geddon achieving the same drone dps (still they suffer from bombing runs) for way less expense.
No, 4 launchers are not worth 500 mil! |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
14
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:04:00 -
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Not to argue on what you said there. But as far as pre-aligning goes in a rattler. Set speed to 3km and align does just fine. |
Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:37:00 -
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Marcus Walkuris wrote: Set speed to 3km and align does just fine.
What does even means? 3km it's a distance...
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Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
14
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:21:00 -
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Giullare wrote:Marcus Walkuris wrote: Set speed to 3km and align does just fine.
What does even means? 3km it's a distance...
"Set ship speed to the minimum speed you can" Set speed to 3km PER SECOND, just pulling a very low speed out of my ass there you go. I've done it takes forever to move anywhere but you are aligned and sentries stay in range. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:46:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Malcanis wrote:CanI haveyourstuff wrote:
It should do 1800+ ish dps combined with drones.
1800 DPS at long range? Why no, that wouldn't be overpowered at all. Why not take that up to a round 2000? Well, Machariels and Vindicators can push this far without much pimp. In fact I'd like to see that Rattlesnake bonus change to become more of a specialized heavy tank Cruise/Torp spewer with 75m3 drones bay, Gila is already the drones boat, we need a missiles spewer Edit: by the way I can't remember when I saw guristas rats or Dread guristas ones dropping drones on my ships, even in 10/10
Umm no... If you want missiles get a CNR. It's a 1k+ DPS missile spewer with 100m3 drone bay (75m3 bandwidth). Gila is a cruiser.
Please post your 1800 DPS long range Machariel and Vindicator fits. I'm going out and buying one of each if I can get that much DPS at range! |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
518
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:53:00 -
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I keep seeing this 1k+ dps number spewing out of the RNI, is it just me or is this complete BS?
I try and I try on EFT to make some miracle fit but the best I could come up with was this cheese fit with sentries and fury cruise and 6% implants which topped out at 1118 DPS.
It was also limited by drone control range to 80km and also applied DPS took a hit since you had to sacrifice a rigor II rig for it.
[Raven Navy Issue, pve] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Large Micro Jump Drive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II
Bouncer II x3
that's the fit I managed to frankenstein together but does anyone actually fly this to claim they do 1k+ dps on a RNI? |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:17:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I keep seeing this 1k+ dps number spewing out of the RNI, is it just me or is this complete BS?
I try and I try on EFT to make some miracle fit but the best I could come up with was this cheese fit with sentries and fury cruise and 6% implants which topped out at 1118 DPS.
It was also limited by drone control range to 80km and also applied DPS took a hit since you had to sacrifice a rigor II rig for it.
[Raven Navy Issue, pve] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Large Micro Jump Drive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II
Bouncer II x3
that's the fit I managed to frankenstein together but does anyone actually fly this to claim they do 1k+ dps on a RNI?
Sorry the 1k DPS is with my implants... It does 946 without. This is just missile DPS.
I refuse to use sentry drones on a CNR because if I wanted drones I would get a drone boat... Personal preference...
Yes my fit isn't one of the popular MJD fits but I'm just too lazy to refit at the moment.
[Raven Navy Issue, L4] Capacitor Flux Coil II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Cap Recharger II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Shield Booster II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I |
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