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Vol Volume
Task Force Overlord The Atmosphere
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:52:00 -
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There has been a afk cloaker in popular mining system for some time now and reason why i opened topic for this was because most of older topics were closed.
I totaly understand that stealth bombers are tactical part of the pvp and fleet fights, but the way how they can also be used purely to ruin others way of income. This nice fella is a good example http://postimg.org/image/z5vfww2bn/ (this is indeed null sec so he dont hav any realistic risk of losing hes ship if he ganks someone)
I dont know hows brain fart it was to make cloaking time infinite, but i dont think it should be too hard to fix. For example there could be a cycle time in cloaking systems or stealthers could be probed there are numerous ways of fixing this. Thing what im amazed is that ccp havent done anything to this, unless if this is the way how bombers are ment to play. (some of the topics were from 2010 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1305952 )
There was a arquement in forums that "you should fly a tanked ships" well i dont even see how you can fit a mining barge/exhumer that it will survive stealth bombers attack. "bring friend was another good one" still even if you had a friend playing a concord and watching you to mine. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=3526970 100mil was the price of hes nemesis with 70mil a faction scrambler" retriever/skiff/ hulk are all above 200mil but none of these can actualy survive a stealth bombejavascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'||posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}r assault. Even if you bring your friend kills the bomber hes still feelings himself a realy succesful person. Like i stated above risk of blowing up is a minimal.
This aint the issue thou, issue is that they can prevent people from earning their isk just by logging in and going afk, since you cant mine or you can mine but you will surely lose your ship when the afk cloaker happens to come back. I hav myself 3 miners and orca booster and just 1 tard can stop me from earning isk what i need for plexes, even i think the eve is greatest game i hav ever played and want to support CCP im not going to pay 60e each month just that i can give some depraved tard hes fun.
CCP please do something about afk cloakers, there are always dicks who exploit things like this when you let them.
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RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
305
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:54:00 -
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if he is afk then there is no problem if he is not afk then you may have a problem but all you have to do is not be afk yourself
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Vol Volume
Task Force Overlord The Atmosphere
43
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:58:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:if he is afk then there is no problem if he is not afk then you may have a problem but all you have to do is not be afk yourself
Didint come up whit anything more childish than that? Im sure he would be kind enought to inform in local that hes back. |
BadAssMcKill
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
292
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:07:00 -
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This thread again http://i.imgur.com/6j6cIZE.gif-á |
Tinker Vuld
New Order Logistics CODE.
19
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:12:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote:...
This aint the issue thou, issue is that they can prevent people from earning their isk just by logging in and going afk, since you cant mine or you can mine but you will surely lose your ship when the afk cloaker happens to come back. I hav myself 3 miners and orca booster and just 1 tard can stop me from earning isk what i need for plexes, even i think the eve is greatest game i hav ever played and want to support CCP im not going to pay 60e each month just that i can give some depraved tard hes fun.
CCP please do something about afk cloakers, there are always dicks who exploit things like this when you let them.
Lets focus on this bit seeing as this is the issue you have.
So you are requesting CCP to change their game mechanics to suit your desired brain dead, isk grind play style so that you don't have to pay CCP any money. Ok.
How about you use the energy you have devoted to opening this new thread on an old topic to adapting your game to the existing mechanic instead of crying for CCPs help when things might appear challenging? www.minerbumping.com - study it, live it, breathe it, for The Code shall set you free. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2894
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:14:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:This thread again
It would seem... Obligatory:
Also, IBTL.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1221
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:14:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote:There has been a afk cloaker in popular mining system for some time now and reason why i opened topic for this was because most of older topics were closed. I totaly understand that stealth bombers are tactical part of the pvp and fleet fights, but the way how they can also be used purely to ruin others way of income. This nice fella is a good example http://postimg.org/image/z5vfww2bn/ (this is indeed null sec so he dont hav any realistic risk of losing hes ship if he ganks someone) I dont know hows brain fart it was to make cloaking time infinite, but i dont think it should be too hard to fix. For example there could be a cycle time in cloaking systems or stealthers could be probed there are numerous ways of fixing this. Thing what im amazed is that ccp havent done anything to this, unless if this is the way how bombers are ment to play. (some of the topics were from 2010 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1305952 ) There was a arquement in forums that "you should fly a tanked ships" well i dont even see how you can fit a mining barge/exhumer that it will survive stealth bombers attack. "bring friend was another good one" still even if you had a friend playing a concord and watching you to mine. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=3526970 100mil was the price of hes nemesis with 70mil a faction scrambler" retriever/skiff/ hulk are all above 200mil but none of these can actualy survive a stealth bombejavascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'||posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}r assault. Even if you bring your friend kills the bomber hes still feelings himself a realy succesful person. Like i stated above risk of blowing up is a minimal. This aint the issue thou, issue is that they can prevent people from earning their isk just by logging in and going afk, since you cant mine or you can mine but you will surely lose your ship when the afk cloaker happens to come back. I hav myself 3 miners and orca booster and just 1 tard can stop me from earning isk what i need for plexes, even i think the eve is greatest game i hav ever played and want to support CCP im not going to pay 60e each month just that i can give some depraved tard hes fun. CCP please do something about afk cloakers, there are always dicks who exploit things like this when you let them. Then move out of nullsec and go to Highsec .... No cloakers there just gankers.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Captain Stupid
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
29
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:21:00 -
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Posting for the first time in a cloaky afk whine thread. If I may, I will repeat a stock answer from the many similar threads.
"NOBODY has ever died to an afk cloaker. Ever."
HTFU. |
Vol Volume
Task Force Overlord The Atmosphere
43
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:27:00 -
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Then move out of nullsec and go to Highsec .... No cloakers there just gankers.
So i should move out because of some ******** game mechanic? So things cant be changed? If someone dont hav to wipe drool from your cheek every 2 minutes, you should understand that this is game mechanic what can easily be changed so that it dont prevent miners being totaly blocked.
So you are requesting CCP to change their game mechanics to suit your desired brain dead, isk grind play style so that you don't have to pay CCP any money. Ok. Brain dead? its not that no matter how i watch the screen i cant survive a stealth bomber attack, since first time i see him is when i get scrambler and shot down in 10-15s. There is no pvp, there is no counter measures its just watching your ship being blown up.
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Ravnik
Choke-Hold
9415
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:29:00 -
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Seriously, this has been discussed to death. If people are afk then they CANT HURT YOU!! If you have 3 miners and an orca, surely you can have combat drones, which, let me think, if you launch 15 drones on a stealth bomber then he will probably go down pretty damn quick..or you could even use ecm drones.
Sometimes you have to work a bit at defending yourself, not just think you can sit in ls / null and not have any risk. The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly.......... |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
443
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:29:00 -
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Here's the thing. If he is in fact afk, then he is no threat to you.
If he isn't afk, then what he is doing is perfectly legitimate stalking of potential prey.
Either way, there is no problem here as far as game mechanics go. The only problem is the one you create for yourself. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
33
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:29:00 -
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I've been living in null for a while now. Sometimes I fly around in a cloaky ship which is not a stealth bomber and does not have a cyno field generator equipped. It's just a little Merlin with a cloak. I fly around and explore and sometimes I'll cloak up for a while at a safe and look at the map/Dotlan to decide where to go next. I take my time and sip on a drink, cloaked in my safe spot.
I'm super-dangerous, yo. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1527
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:31:00 -
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Seems that would indicate an answer to your Subject question. Working as intended? Yes.
Vol Volume wrote:There was a arquement in forums that "you should fly a tanked ships" well i dont even see how you can fit a mining barge/exhumer that it will survive stealth bombers attack.
A properly tanked mackinaw (just T1/T2 fit even) can get ~35k EHP. A long bomber will take a good minute to chew through that. In the meantime your drones (you did pack drones right) will tear a bomber apart, or at least drive him off so you can warp away.
Same with a skiff, except you can get upwards of 70k EHP. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1544
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:31:00 -
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A cloaked player cannot prevent you doing anything, or kill you, or cyno in his buddies. He is cloaked, it is mechanically impossible for him to do these things.
An AFK player cannot prevent you doing anything, or kill you, or cyno in his buddies. He's not there, it's impossible for him to do these things.
What your real issue is, dear Bad EVE Player, is your own crippling cowardice and risk averse mentality. You understand that a cloaked player represents an unknown level of threat, and want it removed. Well sorry but that's not how it works. Nullsec is inherently risky and full of uncertainty - if you don't like this, go back to highsec.
Hope this helps |
baltec1
Bat Country
7267
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:32:00 -
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Its the only counter to local. |
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
22
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:32:00 -
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Every time someone makes an AFK cloaking thread, god prevents a panhandler from getting a handout. Now some crusty dude ain't gonna get his fix, yo. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
84
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:37:00 -
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AFKers as such are no threat by definition. But when it comes to gankers of any variety... Group up. Organize defence or have someone else do it for you. Find solution that keeps you reasonably safe, but don't ask CCP to solve the problem for you. This is supposed to be sandbox, not themepark.
Edit: Oh, and these threads make me want to acquire a tophat, monocle, tuxedo and cloak with the texk "AFK." Just because. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
503
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:38:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote: Then move out of nullsec and go to Highsec .... No cloakers there just gankers.
So i should move out because of some ******** game mechanic? So things cant be changed? If someone dont hav to wipe drool from your cheek every 2 minutes, you should understand that this is game mechanic what can easily be changed so that it dont prevent miners being totaly blocked.
You should move out not because of some game mechanic but becaause you cannot deal with a risk component (that's core, intendeed EVE design, not a mechanic). Becuase in presence of a risk element instead of dealing with it (as 99% of EVE population do and have fun doing it) you feel the game should be changed to fit your unability.
So yes, move out, for sure you don't belong to null sec and probably you don't belong to EVE as well.
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Vol Volume
Task Force Overlord The Atmosphere
43
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:39:00 -
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Sure hes not a treath when hes afk, but if he happens to come back one in 60 minutes to check for anyone who hav dared to go mining. If you wanna gamble whit your mining ships then go ahead, but if you lose mining ship every 2-3 hours its gonna cost you way more than you make, where is the risk/isk value there? |
Ravnik
Choke-Hold
9415
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:41:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote:Sure hes not a treath when hes afk, but if he happens to come back one in 60 minutes to check for anyone who hav dared to go mining. If you wanna gamble whit your mining ships then go ahead, but if you lose mining ship every 2-3 hours its gonna cost you way more than you make, where is the risk/isk value there?
Have you actually read anything that has been said? DRONES!!!! DRONES!!!!
Im thinking now that maybe you are a troll, so 7/10 for drawing us all in
Or is the problem here that you are actually AFK mining??? The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly.......... |
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
452
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:42:00 -
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Lol, he got you by the balls, mine in another system maybe? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
443
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:42:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote:Sure hes not a treath when hes afk, but if he happens to come back one in 60 minutes to check for anyone who hav dared to go mining. If you wanna gamble whit your mining ships then go ahead, but if you lose mining ship every 2-3 hours its gonna cost you way more than you make, where is the risk/isk value there?
Idk about you, but a Retriever doesn't cost me more isk than I can make in 3 hours...
So, why are you expecting safety to mine in nullsec? Please tell me, by what merit are you arguing to be immune to the actions of others? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ruezer
Saint's Industries Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:45:00 -
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I'll give you the business perspective on this. People that extort players by AFK cloaking their systems pay their monthly fee/plex for that account.
If they change cloaking to something fuel based/cycle based, how many AFK cloaking accounts will they lose? I'll give you an sndert, more then the people who whine about AFK cloaking and say they are gonna quit and dont.
I've got an AFK cloaker in my system as of right now. Tonight, I'm putting up a cyno jam in the system, and getting back to business. I can kill a stealth bomber with a mining fleet, easily. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1545
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:47:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote:Sure hes not a treath when hes afk, but if he happens to come back one in 60 minutes to check for anyone who hav dared to go mining. If you wanna gamble whit your mining ships then go ahead, but if you lose mining ship every 2-3 hours its gonna cost you way more than you make, where is the risk/isk value there?
Psst, buddy, nullsec is designed to be risky. If you can't handle it, toddle off back to highsec.
There are, after all, dozens of ways in which you can handle it - people are already flooding this topic with such practices, but you refuse to do any of them and instead insist CCP change the entire game to suit your bad playstyle?
Fly in a group with some in combat or logistics ships - this makes you a less desirable target, and helps you fight off or survive attackers.
Move to a different area - if the person is afk or not paying attention, they wont see you leave, and wont follow.
Etc.
Simply crying and asking CCP to change it all for you is so pathetic and childlike I can't believe people still do it. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1545
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:50:00 -
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Ruezer wrote:I'll give you the business perspective on this. People that extort players by AFK cloaking their systems pay their monthly fee/plex for that account.
If they change cloaking to something fuel based/cycle based, how many AFK cloaking accounts will they lose? I'll give you an answer, more then the people who whine about AFK cloaking and say they are gonna quit and dont.
I've got an AFK cloaker in my system as of right now. Tonight, I'm putting up a cyno jam in the system, and getting back to business. I can kill a stealth bomber with a mining fleet, easily.
EDIT: And to be more clear, I hate the AFK cloaking mechanic, but it's EASY to counter. Once they find out that they'll lose more ships trying to kill you then they kill, they'll go find easier targets.
It's not even a matter of "losing" subs by disallowing it, it's a matter of balance.
Requiring fuel for cloaks, or timers/cycles, etc is massively, MASSIVELY unbalanced. It very badly breaks numerous active playstyles. Cloaks aren't solely used by people who pester the terribads like OP - they're also used for scouting ahead, for reconnaissance, for setting up strategic locations, bombing runs, countless other things. Ideas like fuel or cap requirement destroy these playstyles - and for what? Because OP is a coward who has no right to the rewards of nullsec? Pleaaaaaase |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1527
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:50:00 -
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Vol Volume wrote: i get scrambler and shot down in 10-15s.
Read my other reply. (hint #13). A properly tanked Mining barge or exhumer will not die to a lone stealth bomber in 10-15 seconds. A lone stealth bomber however CAN go pop from a flight of light drones in 10-15 seconds. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
476
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:51:00 -
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TL;DR Response:
* AFK Cloaking is a player response to the perfect intel tool, which is local. *An AFK player is no threat to you. *There are many reasonable precautions you, as a miner or ratter, can take to go about your life in the presence of a potential cloaked threat. *CCP will never fix what isn't a problem, so learn to use the tools already available to you to deal with the issue. *learn to laugh at afk cloakers and see them for what they are, an attempt to disrupt your gameplay. (Which btw, is a legitimate game tactic when it comes to nullsec operations) |
Ruezer
Saint's Industries Northern Associates.
2
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:58:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Ruezer wrote:I'll give you the business perspective on this. People that extort players by AFK cloaking their systems pay their monthly fee/plex for that account.
If they change cloaking to something fuel based/cycle based, how many AFK cloaking accounts will they lose? I'll give you an answer, more then the people who whine about AFK cloaking and say they are gonna quit and dont.
I've got an AFK cloaker in my system as of right now. Tonight, I'm putting up a cyno jam in the system, and getting back to business. I can kill a stealth bomber with a mining fleet, easily.
EDIT: And to be more clear, I hate the AFK cloaking mechanic, but it's EASY to counter. Once they find out that they'll lose more ships trying to kill you then they kill, they'll go find easier targets. It's not even a matter of "losing" subs by disallowing it, it's a matter of balance. Requiring fuel for cloaks, or timers/cycles, etc is massively, MASSIVELY unbalanced. It very badly breaks numerous active playstyles. Cloaks aren't solely used by people who pester the terribads like OP - they're also used for scouting ahead, for reconnaissance, for setting up strategic locations, bombing runs, countless other things. Ideas like fuel or cap requirement destroy these playstyles - and for what? Because OP is a coward who has no right to the rewards of nullsec? Pleaaaaaase
I understand that subs are not the only reason, I just posted the business side of it as stated in my post. But what you are saying is spot on IMO |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
181
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:59:00 -
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I would like to see a hourly timer on station in all of eve that kicks people out after 1 hour of not undocking. I can't stand people who dock up and go afk and then undock and come out and kill me. If the developers would make them undock while AFK then I would have a chance to either run or kill them.
someday when you cross over you will look back and read your post and laugh and realize you have been riding on the short bus licking windows with your helmet on to tight. Best defense below
" The day a AFK player kills me is the day I quit eve". HTFU. ( plus I will give him all my stuff to bad he won't be at his computer to except the trade) |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1545
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:00:00 -
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Yeah, basically no matter which way you look at it, there isn't a good reason to nerf cloaks the way people always propose |
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