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tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:07:00 -
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Hi,
just a short question to those who may have done this before:
We have build some BS inside our C1 for defending it. Now we are moving out and the question is what we can do with those battleships?
- It seems they can not be recycled, can they? - Will other pay for them? Most probably not I guess.
What other options do exist to not just blow them up and salvage the wrecks. How big is the chance to move them out from a C1 static Hi through another wormhole? |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2151
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:11:00 -
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tsuggerpuppe wrote:How big is the chance to move them out from a C1 static Hi through another wormhole? zero SD them |
Random Woman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:23:00 -
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Warp all your battleship to the sun, do manly things, salvage, done.
You can just sd em without fitting, but where is the fun in that?
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Honest Nonlabor
Dinoblood Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:49:00 -
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SD'em |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
171
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:26:00 -
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Give me the ID and the WH entrance....
We will do it for you. Truest me i know exectly what we do.... *hicks* Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:55:00 -
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http://staticmapper.com/index.php?system=J125925 current exit is in Sharios and should be there still for 4-6 hours.
Thanks for helping us. But how exactly. You will fly our battleships and we will shoot you down? |
Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:56:00 -
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Is it actually totally impossible to get a connection from a C1 to a w-space system that could spawn a k-space exit that fits battleships, or just really unlikely? |
AtomYcX
Cold Moon Destruction.
31
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:11:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Is it actually totally impossible to get a connection from a C1 to a w-space system that could spawn a k-space exit that fits battleships, or just really unlikely?
Impossible, a C1 will never have a hole allowing more than 20,000,000 mass, period. |
dark dreamur
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
33
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:37:00 -
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any time you build a ship too big to get out , you just blow it up and call it " cost of doing buissnes" your choice to either just self destruct it or be creative and use it in some funny way an make a video, anyway i hope you guys are changing up holes and not simply leaving worm hole space 0/ |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Mass Overload
335
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:48:00 -
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Get into a fight with lol fits and cheap clones and have fun. |
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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
171
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:21:00 -
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Well, nobody understand sarksm.... :-(
Destroy the Ships........ or if it its possible. repack the ships, put it into a Iteron 5 and fly it out. I think you could repack the ships after the last patch..... but i am not shure. Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare -
Irren ist menschlich, doch im Irrtum zu verharren ist ein Zeichen von Dummheit. |
tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:49:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:Well, nobody understand sarksm.... :-(
Destroy the Ships........ or if it its possible. repack the ships, put it into a Iteron 5 and fly it out. I think you could repack the ships after the last patch..... but i am not shure.
Oh, well I did understood it very well :) Guess you didn't understood my one ;) or did you thought this is our wormhole and it really had an exit in that system? i just picked the first C1 static Hi I found with some activity the last 48hours and have chosen a random HiSec System, that's not too close to any bigger trade hub. And hoped, that someone may fly there to just get some easy kills and then understands sarkasm .
Thanks for feedback all together and no, you can't repack ships in wormholes unfortunately, this patch was only affecting modules. And even then: repacked Battleships are too big to fit in an Iteron. Even if this may change with coming industrial patch, but it's still the problem you can not repack it.
@Kira only: Irren ist menschlisch, also hoffte ich dich vielleicht in die Irre f++hren zu k+Śnnen :)
have fun, fly safe |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
471
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:54:00 -
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Your best bet is to sell the hole to someone that is interested in having a bunch of ready-made battleships waiting for them to defend the place. You probably won't be able to get their market price, but it would certainly help to slightly boost your profit margin.
Other than that, explode them or just leave them in space for someone else to work out what to do with them. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:57:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Other than that, explode them or just leave them in space for someone else to work out what to do with them.
In that case they will for sure blow them up and will get easy killmails, i.e. lossmail for us. Not an idea I like. I would rather like to loose them in a good fight, but the chance to get that is too small. So we will just destroy and salvage them. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
536
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:00:00 -
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When you SD them or get killed in them, you get at least the default insurance, which should be quite significant for battleships. Leaving them behind you'd get nothing except the loss mails . |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1538
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:33:00 -
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tsuggerpuppe wrote:Oh, well I did understood it very well :) Guess you didn't understood my one ;)
Word games don't work as well when you are trying in a non-native language.
And yes SD the ships. you "might" find somone willing to buy it with the ships. But honestly C1's are a dime a dozen.
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dark dreamur
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
33
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:36:00 -
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maybe invite another wh corp in for a pre arranged fight with them prhaps agree on some lol fits . dont just leave them out in space though you could try minning in them an see how long it takes to get dropped
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tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:42:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:tsuggerpuppe wrote:Oh, well I did understood it very well :) Guess you didn't understood my one ;) Word games don't work as well when you are trying in a non-native language.
As everybody can imagine english is not my native language, but I wasn't playing word games with the quote you have chosen?
Anyway. Thanks for all replies. Wormhole comunity is new to us and seems to be a positive one :) @Dark Dreamur:And yes we will stay in a wormhole, we just moved to a C3 and let's see where we will be in 6 months maybe? |
Bamsey Amraa
Unseen Nomads Exiled Ones
33
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:46:00 -
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Oh its simply :) you will be on the wrong side my blasters ;) |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1539
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:04:00 -
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tsuggerpuppe wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:tsuggerpuppe wrote:Oh, well I did understood it very well :) Guess you didn't understood my one ;) Word games don't work as well when you are trying in a non-native language. As everybody can imagine english is not my native language, but I wasn't playing word games with the quote you have chosen?
I wasn't saying you were with those words. Just the interaction that created that reply.nevertheless the point was lost, moving on.
BTW your english is fine. I was just ribbing
tsuggerpuppe wrote:Anyway. Thanks for all replies. Wormhole comunity is new to us and seems to be a positive one :) @Dark Dreamur:And yes we will stay in a wormhole, we just moved to a C3 and let's see where we will be in 6 months maybe?
WH peeps are some of the nicest people I've ever been blown up by. Seriously, I've had some great conversations with people after a WH scuffle. |
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tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:47:00 -
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Bamsey Amraa wrote:Oh its simply :) you will be on the wrong side my blasters ;)
wrong side? You mean behind them? Left, right? Because in front can not be? That would be the right side for me as a noob ^^ it seems you like to shoot noobs in Ventures with T3s or defenseless pos modules or defenseless capsules with a 30 people fleet. ^^
Crazy stuff you do. POS Shooting - how exciting
Yeah we may probably meet some time and I may loose against your fleets you like to hide behind because we are only 3^^. Most probably for sure. I don't care really to loose my venture or Procurer. Wouldn't be the first one. |
Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:28:00 -
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@OP
Why don't you create some passive income out of your C1 and the BSs you put effort in building?
You could easily rent out your old home, and throw the BSs into the deal to make the package complete.
The new occupant(s) will receive
- a C1 to make some isk in (not sure how much) - means to defend their new home - all that for a very low monthly fee of say 200mil (assuming you can make that much - but I believe you can)
It's a win-win, and differentiates your offer from competition. |
tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:38:00 -
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nice idea, but we are only 3 accounts with some alts. We like to have all efforts (chars) concentrated on our new home, including PI, etc., but maybe worthwile to think about.
The only problem I see is, that a month will be enough time for the "renting" party to build some BS themselves, attack and destroy our Tower, having just paid 200M ISK and got a nice C1, nice killmails and some "fun". The risk/reward(effort) is not good enough for our corp. In a bigger corp this might be a better idea where you have 2-3 alts to be left in the system for refueling and probing. |
Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:54:00 -
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But you were going to SD the BSs anyway and abandon the C1 right? So that way you make 200M ISK - which is as much a C1 would go for if you decided to sell.
You have to think about it from the renters' point of view. What does a renter want? The ability to farm and make some isk in a relatively safe environment. Your POS offers just that, and on top you have some shiny BSs to add an extra layer of safety for your renters.
Sure they can destroy the POS and the BS but that would make them work hard to rebuild the same things. Doesn't make sense to me. If I was a renter I wouldn't want the people who know where my new home is to be my enemies. So, if anything, I would offer to buy the POS and BSs, making new friends in the process.
But I believe the key argument here is that the people wanting to clear a WH of structures and ships, won't be mailing you to rent your hole... Instead, they are probably in the process of scanning down C1s and removing their occupants as we speak.
So your target customers will want safety and they are probably willing to pay a price for that. It's a win-win. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
537
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Posted - 2013.07.16 10:08:00 -
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The basic flaw in the whole concept of course is that battleships are not actually better or more powerful than any of the smaller ships you can bring into a c1, quite the opposite. So there is no reason at all to buy a c1 that has battleships in it "for system defense".
I would love to fight c1 residents in their battleships at their static, I could always jump out into hisec but they can't . |
tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:01:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:The basic flaw in the whole concept of course is that battleships are not actually better or more powerful than any of the smaller ships you can bring into a c1, quite the opposite. So there is no reason at all to buy a c1 that has battleships in it "for system defense". I would love to fight c1 residents in their battleships at their static, I could always jump out into hisec but they can't
Oh, believe me that is so shortsighted from you and seems you never faced a situation against battleship fleet with support ;) Battleships will and can make a difference in a C1 to take over (^^) or defend it if you know how to use them and build a fleet around them! To say "I'd love fight them at their static" is like going with 5 Tornados to kill a Retriever in HiSec and thinking you have done something very big. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1542
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:51:00 -
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tsuggerpuppe wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:The basic flaw in the whole concept of course is that battleships are not actually better or more powerful than any of the smaller ships you can bring into a c1, quite the opposite. So there is no reason at all to buy a c1 that has battleships in it "for system defense". I would love to fight c1 residents in their battleships at their static, I could always jump out into hisec but they can't Oh, believe me that is so shortsighted from you and seems you never faced a situation against battleship fleet with support ;) Battleships will and can make a difference in a C1 to take over (^^) or defend it if you know how to use them and build a fleet around them! To say "I'd love fight them at their static" is like going with 5 Tornados to kill a Retriever in HiSec and thinking you have done something very big.
Yes 3 accounts with some alts makes for a scary BS fleet with support.
Wow, new to the WH forums and you are already on your way to making friends. Nicely done. |
Looser Eto
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.16 14:06:00 -
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tsuggerpuppe wrote:To say "I'd love fight them at their static" is like going with 5 Tornados to kill a Retriever in HiSec and thinking you have done something very big.
Great point, and a reminder that 90% of the pvp community in Eve do think this way when it comes to pvp. Blobs, gate camps, the full Monty. And they are proud. |
tsuggerpuppe
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.07.16 15:27:00 -
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@Looser Eto: But it's OK. I usually as well just go out for PvP when I expect to have the upper hand ;) But I would never call me a PvP Elite Player or would try to look that way.
Derath Ellecon wrote: Yes 3 accounts with some alts makes for a scary BS fleet with support.
Wow, new to the WH forums and you are already on your way to making friends. Nicely done.
I hoped at least and here we come again to the point about the 3 accounts BS fleet ... let me just check again killmails ... We had 19 friends with us (not counting scouting alts and Booster Chars) incl. full T2 logistic support and we just asked one corporation we have good contact to. From random fleets and Incursions we know others as well, so making friends helps a lot, but you have to look for reliable ones ;) Was a nice fleet including some random ship kills within the 2 days it took when other ships took a look into the wormhole. Everybody had fun, we got our C1 we wanted. Mission accomplished :)
So everybody take care, fly safe and see you when random wh connections will bring us closer. :) |
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