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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder.
Heh, so Star Citizen just entered CCP's radar?
In case you don't know, last week Two Step wrote a little op-ed on how SC's hype looked like BC:3000's hype (but then, is Chris Roberts like Derek Smart?). Since then, the CSM and certain "EVE personalities" have been banging how SC is only full of promises (going alpha by the end of the current year is one of them).
And in case that you have been away for the last two years, and don't know the current state of development for EVE, it must be noted that CCP's promises about EVE for this year and coming 2014 are these:
None.
There is nothing on the works. No big goal, and not even have the guy who should be working on that (the Executive Producer). They have a 5 year plan to have a 3 year plan to get a development plan for 2014... with more space. Because EVE, of all things, precisely lacks space, as we can tell from the raging crowds in lowsec and WH.
Star Ctizen's development cost, as per Chris Robert, is estimated in 22 million USD. Those are CCP's incomes for some three months (many variables are unknown, but 100 million/year looks about right).
So let's say that expansion to expansion, CCP earns some 50 million dollars. That's what could had been earned between Retribution and Odyssey.
Now look at Odyssey. Does it look like 2 brand new AAA games? 1 single brand new AAA game? Does it even look AAA, with the nausea-inducting jump animation, the borked launcher, the black loading screen and the scatter loot minigame lampoon? Features which weren't in the plans when Retribution launched -they just came out of the blue, hurrily packed together, and that was only because the CSM was horrified at CCP's actual plans for summer 2013.
Maybe Chris Roberts is full of hot air and SC will flop miserably, but by the day that could happen, CCP will have taken some 150 million USD from our pockets and EVE will not be different than it is now... as it has been for the last 2 years... 5 years... 10 years... CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
711
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:10:00 -
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Emma Yobibit wrote:Just tell your self one thing, with all the hot drops in eve don't you think CCP would hot drop Star Citizen when it comes out, instead of showing off how much titans and mother ships they actually have?
Christ Roberts is a rookie in MMOs, it does not take a 10 million dollars budget to do a good lasting online universe. It takes knowledge and experience.
Oh. What did CCP start with?
One single title and zero experience in MMO's.
Quote:Ya SC is not even out, i love how different this makes them
They are in current development, that makes them a lot different. Eve is Real |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1311
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:23:00 -
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I'm sure CCP will maybe possibly give some thought to how to compete with Star Citizen when SC is more than vaporware that sells $1200 ships to players. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Ilkahn
DisturbedGamers.
95
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:29:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Malcanis wrote:Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder. Hi. You do realize that Chris Roberts has a much better overall track record at delivering promises than CCP, right? I mean, CCP has got their **** together lately, but no WiS after 5 years (or more)? SC is going to steal a lot of subs, mine included, unless CCP fixes A LOT of broken stuff and delivers content outside of the cockpit.
When star trek came out eveyone fretted over the decimation of the eve population as all us "trekkies" would fly to the new game leaving the last 4 players on eve.
Reality....
A few folks went and tried it. They returned. Announced "ST sucks, stick with eve." The rest of us never missed a step.
If Star Trek can't pull us from EVE as it has the largest worldwide commercial name then i think EVE Online is perfectly safe. Hell, eve star wars didn't make a dent in this puppy. If anything what is occuring is that eve players try the other games and tell them if they want to play a real space game to come try eve.
There is your reality check. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
711
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:34:00 -
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Ilkahn wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Malcanis wrote:Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder. Hi. You do realize that Chris Roberts has a much better overall track record at delivering promises than CCP, right? I mean, CCP has got their **** together lately, but no WiS after 5 years (or more)? SC is going to steal a lot of subs, mine included, unless CCP fixes A LOT of broken stuff and delivers content outside of the cockpit. When star trek came out eveyone fretted over the decimation of the eve population as all us "trekkies" would fly to the new game leaving the last 4 players on eve. Reality.... A few folks went and tried it. They returned. Announced "ST sucks, stick with eve." The rest of us never missed a step. If Star Trek can't pull us from EVE as it has the largest worldwide commercial name then i think EVE Online is perfectly safe. Hell, eve star wars didn't make a dent in this puppy. If anything what is occuring is that eve players try the other games and tell them if they want to play a real space game to come try eve. There is your reality check.
STO is MT based, incarna much?
Eve is Real |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2534
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:36:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I'm sure CCP will maybe possibly give some thought to how to compete with Star Citizen when SC is more than vaporware that sells $1200 ships to players. The fact that such a thing is even possible speaks volumes to the excitement surrounding the game and confidence in SC and Roberts.
Falling behind and playing catch-up is tough in tec. Yahoo. MySpace. Sega. Atari. Plenty of corpses by the road...
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
58
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:39:00 -
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For it start it's been stated many times Star Citizen isn't an MMO by Chris Roberts.
So i dont really know how you can compare? |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
58
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:41:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I'm sure CCP will maybe possibly give some thought to how to compete with Star Citizen when SC is more than vaporware that sells $1200 ships to players.
May be you should read this, get off your power block and act like a professional...
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/14/stick-and-rudder-how-dare-you-spend-money-on-star-citizen/#continued
You have no right to comment on how others spend their money so FO little CSM pet. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2037
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:48:00 -
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Somebody sure is sensitive.
Make a rash donation to someone's Kickstarter, did you? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
461
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:50:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I'm sure CCP will maybe possibly give some thought to how to compete with Star Citizen when SC is more than vaporware that sells $1200 ships to players.
Well, that is why EvE has 500k players.
Blizzard is out there studying the competition, and before they're even released their games, developed counters.
So if CCP isn't already in SC studying it for counters, well, the early bird gets the worm.
It's a very competitive market. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
58
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Posted - 2013.07.15 20:50:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Somebody sure is sensitive. Make a rash donation to someone's Kickstarter, did you?
Funny, nope, not at all. Just find it amusing these comments. It taste like tears.
I'm more curious why you give a **** that someone spent 1200 or 10,000 on SC. It's more envy than anything I suppose.
Massively wrote: If, after all of those reasons, you still have an issue with Star Citizen supporters, or if you still feel compelled to tell us that we're wasting our money, here's the only fact that really matters.
It's our money!
I honestly can't believe I have to spell this out, but I guess the you-should-have-given-that-money-to-charity rhetoric that occasionally shows up in Star Citizen- and other entertainment-related crowdfunding discussions is a byproduct of the nanny state we live in, where social media and an overreaching political class make it seem OK and even expected to stick your nose into everyone else's business.
Just leave this for you right here. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2388
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:01:00 -
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So it is true that space games are uncommon and if that was all Eve offered I think I'd be worried. What no other game has that Eve offers is an environment devoted to making folks misbehave. No other game offers the opportunity (offer, heck, begs you to!) for players to mess with other players at almost ever level. Griefing and scamming on massive levels, meta gaming in massive ways, Eve is the place to shoot strangers in their face, to kick over their sand castles just for the fun of it and to release your inner sociopath. This has been part of Eve's DNA from the beginning. I'm not even sure this could have been possible to the degree in Eve without the guidance of a team with viking warrior sensibilities.
No other company has bet the bank on dark and evil ass hattery like CCP has with Eve. I don't think any other company ever would. That bet probably means Eve will never grow much bigger than it has, and since a lot of folks in Eve are driven away in time by that darkness could even shrink Eve should other space games get to market. But I expect there are always going to be about this subscription level numbers of players that stay because of that nurturing the worst behavior in us all.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2037
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:06:00 -
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Anna Djan wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Somebody sure is sensitive. Make a rash donation to someone's Kickstarter, did you? Funny, nope, not at all. Just find it amusing these comments. It taste like tears. I'm more curious why you give a **** that someone spent 1200 or 10,000 on SC. It's more envy than anything I suppose. Massively wrote: If, after all of those reasons, you still have an issue with Star Citizen supporters, or if you still feel compelled to tell us that we're wasting our money, here's the only fact that really matters.
It's our money!
I honestly can't believe I have to spell this out, but I guess the you-should-have-given-that-money-to-charity rhetoric that occasionally shows up in Star Citizen- and other entertainment-related crowdfunding discussions is a byproduct of the nanny state we live in, where social media and an overreaching political class make it seem OK and even expected to stick your nose into everyone else's business.
Just leave this for you right here. I'm always fascinated by what posesses stupid people to do stupid things, and sending $1200 to somebody for a lifetime's supply of spaceships for a game that doesn't yet exist, may never exist, and almost certainly won't ever exist in the form that is currently being touted, is only slightly above wiring that money to a Nigerian bank account in order to help the nice gentleman who has been emailing you for the last few days to move assets out of the country. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4356
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:10:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nox Solitudo wrote:Ooooh, we finally have this fresh new thread about SC killing EvE, so we can read some totally new arguments about it.
Also, SC is as MMORPG as Minecraft. CCP should make a standard "this game will kill EVE" form that we can print out and snail mail to everyone everytime they talk about something killing EVE. It will then be easier to keep track of all the games that are supposed to kill EVE. Still waiting for Star Trek Online and however many Star Wars MMOs there have been to kill EVE. They just didn't understand that, like a Zombie, you have to shoot EVE in the head to kill it, body shots just **** it off. And always, always double tap. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
390
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder. You sir, tell that to the Dust dev team right now. Promises level? OVER 9000!!! Delivering level? NON EXISTANT Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Sir Spottington
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
5
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:31:00 -
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im just going to keep playing eve and jump in and out of star citizen like i do war thunder/diablo3/ any other games i play.
i cant wait till its out but im not going to drop EvE for it.
why does it have to be one or the other? just play both |
Prince Kobol
839
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:39:00 -
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Sir Spottington wrote:im just going to keep playing eve and jump in and out of star citizen like i do war thunder/diablo3/ any other games i play.
i cant wait till its out but im not going to drop EvE for it.
why does it have to be one or the other? just play both
Simply because some people can't afford or do not have time to heavily invest in multiple games. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
462
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:43:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote: I'm always fascinated by what posesses stupid people to do stupid things, and sending $1200 to somebody for a lifetime's supply of spaceships for a game that doesn't yet exist, may never exist, and almost certainly won't ever exist in the form that is currently being touted, is only slightly above wiring that money to a Nigerian bank account in order to help the nice gentleman who has been emailing you for the last few days to move assets out of the country.
Or they can lose ships worth thousands of dollars, and no telling how many more thousands of dollars the Goons thrown at CCP to have a whale game tailored to them. And a 10 year old game at that.
If there's any pot calling the kettle black, it's a Goon! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
470
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:44:00 -
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I'd bet $1200 Anna Djan has spent more on star citizen than most people spend on games in a year. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
711
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:45:00 -
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Anna Djan wrote:For it start it's been stated many times Star Citizen isn't an MMO by Chris Roberts.
So i dont really know how you can compare?
Its been stated on the forums a trillion times that eve is a niche space sim, dont see how you could not compare it. Eve is Real |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15523
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:46:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Or they can lose ships worth thousands of dollars, and no telling how many more thousands of dollars the Goons thrown at CCP to have a whale game tailored to them. Many fewer thousands of dollar than everyone else have thrown at themGǪ
Quote:If there's any pot calling the kettle black, it's a Goon! GǪif Goons were even relevant to the kitchen utensil setup in question, which they really aren't.
Cipher Jones wrote:Its been stated on the forums a trillion times that eve is a niche space sim, dont see how you could not compare it. Because they're not the same genre. They don't compare for the same reason that SC2 and EVE don't compare GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Prince Kobol
840
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:47:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Malcanis wrote:Anyone can make a lot of promises. Delivering on them is harder. You sir, tell that to the Dust dev team right now. Promises level? OVER 9000!!! Delivering level? NON EXISTANT
CCP is great, amazing, spectacular at delivering speeches, video's telling everybody how great things are going to be yet the end product is a let down.
Once again, when was the last truly innovative and mind blowing expansion CCP released?
Ship rebalancing and mechanic tweets should be a constant, not limited to expansion packs.
After 2 years we are still waiting for the abomination that is Sov Warfare, something which 10000's of players have complained about time and time again to be looked into and so far zilch,. nothing, nada.
Pos..after god knows how many years have people been complaining about them and still nothing.
Drone mechanics, again years have gone by and nothing.
As for Dust, well CCP have done an amazing job of promising an unique console FPS game which will tie into the Eve universe and what do we have...
A **** poor FPS with a awful control system, terrible graphics, no player market, huge mismatches in weaponry and virtual no interaction with Eve
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Herr Esiq
Dirt Nap Squad
55
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:47:00 -
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Even though its a space simulator, i dont have much with spaceships at all. If i read that the concept of missions in SC is allready so boxed in that you cant really deal or recieve losses the whole concept of ownership becomes irrelevant to me.
Correct me if im wrong but 'yay another game that lets you respawn when you die and not take losses'. Maybe a different pilot name if your pilot dies, but thats all the concequences i've seen. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
354
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:54:00 -
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Thread temporarily locked to do some cleaning.
ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.07.15 23:29:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:You're of course going to come back and tell us how sad you are that the game doesn't work the way you thought it would, because you got your hopes up lol. Doesn't matter. If 10,000 goes and stays in SC, it's a chunk out of HUMANS that play EvE. See, in the numbers game if you have 9 million and 1.7 million leave, it's "so what?". EvE has but 500k, and many have multiple accounts. So when HUMANS leave, that's more than just one "player" gone. Yeah, SC, has a potential to hurt a niche game hard, even if a couple thousand HUMANS leave to play it full time. Then the whales will have even less to gank, and be much like that MuD I used to play that was just as "mean, harsh, tough" that scared away potential players and begging for folks to play now. Communities make or break games. And forums are the public face of them. You're the one constantly telling us that people play multiple MMOs, why should it be any different for Star Citizen, I'm sure many Eve players will play it as well as Eve. I count myself among the number that will play both, CCP won't lose my current account, my alt account was unsubbed with Incarna and won't be renewed until WiS is more than 4 $10 hotel rooms. What's with the whales? the only whale related items I can think of in Eve are both industrial ships.
Motel rooms. Not hotel rooms. Hotels have room service and motels do not. We don't get room serveice. Hence, motels.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths
10941
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:00:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote: Motel rooms. Not hotel rooms. Hotels have room service and motels do not. We don't get room serveice. Hence, motels.
Motels is an Americanism, we rarely use the term "motel" in the UK, room service or not it's generally called a hotel here.
Common language, separated by half a planet.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:14:00 -
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cant say Im impressed by the star games ship models. Look pretty childish. The game may be awesome too early to tell. but in terms of visual appeal its already lost me a bit there. |
How2FoldSoup
Hull Tanking Elitists
28
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:31:00 -
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Who cares about Star Citizen who else is still waiting for infinity |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:33:00 -
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How2FoldSoup wrote:Who cares about Star Citizen who else is still waiting for infinity I thought the guy who was making Infinity switched to work on Star Citizen |
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
58
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:38:00 -
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So calling a CSM member who does **** all a part time CSM member is now a "personal attack"?
I sense a bit of favouritism. |
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