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digitalwanderer
DW inc
390
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Posted - 2014.10.25 00:28:37 -
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Corvois wrote:.
All the stuff you talk about in SC in this thread were never going to be in eve. was never promised for eve and has nothing to do with what eve is as a game. What you seem to talk about is a completely different game. By the way if you like space dog fights and have not played Diaspoa, based on battlestar galactica, you should.
Actually, back in 2004 they had this cute demo showing an Amarr frigate flying over a planetary surface, and Oveur which is one of the original developers of the game, and I don't even know if he even works there anymore, even suggested that players will eventually be allowed to become jove, though he never got around to explaining the mechanics of it.
I know the history of this game from the start, even possible content that they were thinking about implementing eventually, and yes it's been bogged down for a very long time, with the latest issue is having acquired white wolf and trying to make a world of darkness MMO and after 6 years, nothing came out of it and early this year, having fired about 100 people working at CCP doesn't boost my confidence one bit.
Now with the latest strategy of releasing larger content patches every 2 months or so rather than the usual pair of large patches every year like it used to be, it seems like a panic move but we'll see. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
2306
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Posted - 2014.10.25 12:34:07 -
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Jesus DW, I thought after the last round of self inflicted humiliation you would be too ashamed to raise your head in here again. I guess your a glutton for punishment.
When sc bombs, and it will, please come back to this thread and tell us exactly how much money you vaporised so we can all have a real good laugh. |
digitalwanderer
DW inc
390
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Posted - 2014.10.25 15:07:04 -
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Black Panpher wrote:Jesus DW, I thought after the last round of self inflicted humiliation you would be too ashamed to raise your head in here again. I guess your a glutton for punishment.
When sc bombs, and it will, please come back to this thread and tell us exactly how much money you vaporised so we can all have a real good laugh.
Only you could resort to an argument that's completely off topic to somehow defend your beloved EVE online, and for the record, i'm already having a blast with what's already been released as far as SC is concerned, even if it's only 25% of the full game.
There's been many promises made for EVE over the years, and they were unveiled at official fan fests in Iceland every year, yet years later they have yet to make it in game, so CCP's credibility is pretty much 0, and it's why many of the old players have left the game, and CCP keeps focusing on the "new player experience" for the last few years.
They don't want those squeletons coming out of the closet basically. |
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.10.27 13:31:07 -
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I'd like to see 2 games die: EvE online and WoW. I'd enjoy better versions of both and them dying would mean just that.
Although if WoW dies then their LFG crowd goes to the new WoW so it would kinda hurt the entire point
I guess I hope only EVE dies
All in all - we want better games. I played WoW right until I got horribly bored with it. I don't see SC competition as a threat. I see it as opportunity for all of us. Till then - we shall continue to help Iceland's economy undisturbed.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1157
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Posted - 2014.10.27 19:56:07 -
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Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:I'd like to see 2 games die: EvE online and WoW. I'd enjoy better versions of both and them dying would mean just that. Although if WoW dies then their LFG crowd goes to the new WoW so it would kinda hurt the entire point I guess I hope only EVE dies All in all - we want better games. I played WoW right until I got horribly bored with it. I don't see SC competition as a threat. I see it as opportunity for all of us. Till then - we shall continue to help Iceland's economy undisturbed.
I guess I don't see how a heavily instanced game, with an npc drivin economy, with optional pvp, where everyone has to be and play nice, if any sort of opertunity any eve player would want.
Unless the opportunity is to go into SC and greif the hell out of its carebears and use its game mechaics against it's self. Then sure.
Oh wait.. that's right.. I can walk around in my 100m long ship while I wait for the stupid landing animation to finish! That's the ticket!
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digitalwanderer
DW inc
390
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Posted - 2014.10.27 20:33:55 -
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DaReaper wrote:Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:I'd like to see 2 games die: EvE online and WoW. I'd enjoy better versions of both and them dying would mean just that. Although if WoW dies then their LFG crowd goes to the new WoW so it would kinda hurt the entire point I guess I hope only EVE dies All in all - we want better games. I played WoW right until I got horribly bored with it. I don't see SC competition as a threat. I see it as opportunity for all of us. Till then - we shall continue to help Iceland's economy undisturbed. I guess I don't see how a heavily instanced game, with an npc drivin economy, with optional pvp, where everyone has to be and play nice, if any sort of opertunity any eve player would want. Unless the opportunity is to go into SC and greif the hell out of its carebears and use its game mechaics against it's self. Then sure. Oh wait.. that's right.. I can walk around in my 100m long ship while I wait for the stupid landing animation to finish! That's the ticket!
Wrong on the pvp aspect.....It all depends on the relative security of the system you're currently in, and if it's one on the very edge of UEE space or in hostile territory like the vanduul, you can fight till the end of time.
Fights however will be limited to anywhere from 50 to 100 ships, which is understandable given the amount of artwork and detail going into every ship, so unless you have a super computer at home, don't expect 1000 ship fights as no hardware exists that can handle that with playable frame rates. |
digitalwanderer
DW inc
390
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:35:21 -
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Having said that, given that no one will start with anything better than a frigate, and there will be only 1000 of them in game which were sold in advance, from a player base of nearly 633 000 players as of right now, and the 50~100 ship limit since even high end PC's can't handle anything higher, also prevents PVP from becoming a purely numbers game.
The game can't escalate further with much bigger fights, using much larger ships, without having major improvements in hardware since they're aiming so high to begin with, so each pilots role is way more important to form an effective fighting force, since it isn't just about calling in the big boys with the big toys anymore.....Might take years before most are in destroyers, cruisers, battle cruisers, escort carriers and the like.
It won't be as easy to get these as it's become in EVE in the last several years, though I do remember when I was much harder in the early days where I worked my ass off for 3 months to get into a battleship, and even 0.0 space didn't have battleship spawns at all( just 50k isk cruisers). |
DaReaper
Net 7
1158
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:36:49 -
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digitalwanderer wrote:DaReaper wrote:Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:I'd like to see 2 games die: EvE online and WoW. I'd enjoy better versions of both and them dying would mean just that. Although if WoW dies then their LFG crowd goes to the new WoW so it would kinda hurt the entire point I guess I hope only EVE dies All in all - we want better games. I played WoW right until I got horribly bored with it. I don't see SC competition as a threat. I see it as opportunity for all of us. Till then - we shall continue to help Iceland's economy undisturbed. I guess I don't see how a heavily instanced game, with an npc drivin economy, with optional pvp, where everyone has to be and play nice, if any sort of opertunity any eve player would want. Unless the opportunity is to go into SC and greif the hell out of its carebears and use its game mechaics against it's self. Then sure. Oh wait.. that's right.. I can walk around in my 100m long ship while I wait for the stupid landing animation to finish! That's the ticket! Wrong on the pvp aspect.....It all depends on the relative security of the system you're currently in, and if it's one on the very edge of UEE space or in hostile territory like the vanduul, you can fight till the end of time. Fights however will be limited to anywhere from 50 to 100 ships, which is understandable given the amount of artwork and detail going into every ship, so unless you have a super computer at home, don't expect 1000 ship fights as no hardware exists that can handle that with playable frame rates.
I have not read up on the slider in a while, so you mean to say, if I go to, for lack of a better term a 0.0 system in SC and have my pvp slider set to '0' (no pvp) that I will still more then likely pvp? ignoring the 'well you won't be able to tell if a ship is a player or npc' which I thought was bull crap anyway.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1158
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Posted - 2014.10.27 21:39:59 -
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digitalwanderer wrote:Having said that, given that no one will start with anything better than a frigate, and there will be only 1000 of them in game which were sold in advance, from a player base of nearly 633 000 players as of right now, and the 50~100 ship limit since even high end PC's can't handle anything higher, also prevents PVP from becoming a purely numbers game.
The game can't escalate further with much bigger fights, using much larger ships, without having major improvements in hardware since they're aiming so high to begin with, so each pilots role is way more important to form an effective fighting force, since it isn't just about calling in the big boys with the big toys anymore.....Might take years before most are in destroyers, cruisers, battle cruisers, escort carriers and the like.
It won't be as easy to get these as it's become in EVE in the last several years, though I do remember when I was much harder in the early days where I worked my ass off for 3 months to get into a battleship, and even 0.0 space didn't have battleship spawns at all( just 50k isk cruisers).
Except all this is on paper. That's kinda the issue. CCP used to say 'well getting a titan will not be someone anyone can do' Then they made constalation sov and boom, everyone can easily get a titan. oops.
So i'll go with we will see how it turns out.
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digitalwanderer
DW inc
390
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Posted - 2014.10.27 22:32:41 -
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DaReaper wrote:digitalwanderer wrote:Having said that, given that no one will start with anything better than a frigate, and there will be only 1000 of them in game which were sold in advance, from a player base of nearly 633 000 players as of right now, and the 50~100 ship limit since even high end PC's can't handle anything higher, also prevents PVP from becoming a purely numbers game.
The game can't escalate further with much bigger fights, using much larger ships, without having major improvements in hardware since they're aiming so high to begin with, so each pilots role is way more important to form an effective fighting force, since it isn't just about calling in the big boys with the big toys anymore.....Might take years before most are in destroyers, cruisers, battle cruisers, escort carriers and the like.
It won't be as easy to get these as it's become in EVE in the last several years, though I do remember when I was much harder in the early days where I worked my ass off for 3 months to get into a battleship, and even 0.0 space didn't have battleship spawns at all( just 50k isk cruisers). Except all this is on paper. That's kinda the issue. CCP used to say 'well getting a titan will not be someone anyone can do' Then they made constalation sov and boom, everyone can easily get a titan. oops. So i'll go with we will see how it turns out.
It can't be done as even if they wanted ships as large as titans in SC, not only their exteriors but their interiors are fully modelled, so you can imagine the monster amount of work to create such a beast. and the PC needed to run that at 60 Fps, made worse when there's both an external physics engine for everything that the ship is subjected too, and an internal physics engine for all objects and people onboard said large ship, which are affected depending on what's happening at any given moment.
Let's say the ship is boarded, people are fighting inside the ship, at the same time that the ship itself is still trying to shoot down hostile ships...It'll be the first game that requires a joystick/throttle to fly the ship and try to kill other ships, and a mouse and keyboard to handle the FPS aspect of having your ship boarded and to defend it, while the fight is going on outside in space. |
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digitalwanderer
DW inc
390
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Posted - 2014.10.27 22:34:16 -
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DaReaper wrote:digitalwanderer wrote:DaReaper wrote:Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:I'd like to see 2 games die: EvE online and WoW. I'd enjoy better versions of both and them dying would mean just that. Although if WoW dies then their LFG crowd goes to the new WoW so it would kinda hurt the entire point I guess I hope only EVE dies All in all - we want better games. I played WoW right until I got horribly bored with it. I don't see SC competition as a threat. I see it as opportunity for all of us. Till then - we shall continue to help Iceland's economy undisturbed. I guess I don't see how a heavily instanced game, with an npc drivin economy, with optional pvp, where everyone has to be and play nice, if any sort of opertunity any eve player would want. Unless the opportunity is to go into SC and greif the hell out of its carebears and use its game mechaics against it's self. Then sure. Oh wait.. that's right.. I can walk around in my 100m long ship while I wait for the stupid landing animation to finish! That's the ticket! Wrong on the pvp aspect.....It all depends on the relative security of the system you're currently in, and if it's one on the very edge of UEE space or in hostile territory like the vanduul, you can fight till the end of time. Fights however will be limited to anywhere from 50 to 100 ships, which is understandable given the amount of artwork and detail going into every ship, so unless you have a super computer at home, don't expect 1000 ship fights as no hardware exists that can handle that with playable frame rates. I have not read up on the slider in a while, so you mean to say, if I go to, for lack of a better term a 0.0 system in SC and have my pvp slider set to '0' (no pvp) that I will still more then likely pvp? ignoring the 'well you won't be able to tell if a ship is a player or npc' which I thought was bull crap anyway.
Yup, it's unsecure space after all, so the slider has no effect. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
753
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Posted - 2014.11.02 06:20:42 -
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FPS Demo
Would say this is progressing nicely.
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Jaysen Larrisen
20
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Posted - 2014.11.02 19:56:07 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:FPS DemoWould say this is progressing nicely.
Lot of current and former Dust players are looking at that pretty longingly.
If it's actually integrated into the fabric of SC then that is exactly the concept that drew a bunch of players to Dust...a pretty high number of them being active or former Eve players that loved the universe and the complexity but wanted a different way to play.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3179
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:04:10 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:FPS DemoWould say this is progressing nicely.
Well, FPS are not my piece of cake... but that's quite promising.
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ankhesanemu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.27 00:58:56 -
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I saw the downfall of Anarchy Online (AO) after playing it for several years just after WoW got released.
Anarchy Online was such a skill based game relatively compared to WoW (point, click, win - almost....)
It still is a wonderfull game (AO) and the skill you need to play it can be compared to EVE. There is twinking, there is playing with certain skills, perks and symbs to fit certain kinds of gear and do different things with them. You wont understand crap of what im talking if you never tryed AO.
Anyway, what i mean is, even so Star Citizen is a lil different from EVE and doesnt need so much skill to play (prolly) it doesnt mean EVE is safe.
First rule of EVE (you are never safe), same applies to it.
The only thing that can tell if it (EVE) will be safe or not, is time, and that, we cant yet bend it to see whats going to happen in the future.
People tend to like new stuff, bigger stuff, prettier stuff.
I play EVE for years and i love it. But, from my past experiences, Star Citizen can be the next WoW, and if that happens, EVE will still be played by many, but it will never be EVE again.
Just like Anarchy Online was never Anarchy Online again. |
Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96501
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Posted - 2014.11.27 01:04:56 -
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Wow I forgot about this thread.
BTW I have been having tons of fun with Elite: Dangerous and its future looks very promising.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1377
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:17:35 -
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gah why could;t this thread die... lol
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3320
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Posted - 2014.11.27 12:50:15 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Wow I forgot about this thread.
BTW I have been having tons of fun with Elite: Dangerous and its future looks very promising.
Just curious, how large is the Gamma install?
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96621
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Posted - 2014.11.27 13:26:46 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Wow I forgot about this thread.
BTW I have been having tons of fun with Elite: Dangerous and its future looks very promising. Just curious, how large is the Gamma install?
2.93 GB
That's pretty small really.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3320
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Posted - 2014.11.27 13:41:23 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Wow I forgot about this thread.
BTW I have been having tons of fun with Elite: Dangerous and its future looks very promising. Just curious, how large is the Gamma install? 2.93 GB That's pretty small really.
Only 2.93 GB on the HD? Mother of god...
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25677
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Posted - 2014.11.28 00:42:32 -
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OH MY GOD THAT WARP IS SO SATISFYING
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Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
786
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Posted - 2014.11.28 07:41:25 -
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96839
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Posted - 2014.11.28 13:37:04 -
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
387
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Posted - 2014.11.28 19:48:40 -
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ankhesanemu wrote:I saw the downfall of Anarchy Online (AO) after playing it for several years just after WoW got released.
Anarchy Online was such a skill based game relatively compared to WoW (point, click, win - almost....)
It still is a wonderfull game (AO) and the skill you need to play it can be compared to EVE. There is twinking, there is playing with certain skills, perks and symbs to fit certain kinds of gear and do different things with them. You wont understand crap of what im talking if you never tryed AO.
Anyway, what i mean is, even so Star Citizen is a lil different from EVE and doesnt need so much skill to play (prolly) it doesnt mean EVE is safe.
First rule of EVE (you are never safe), same applies to it.
The only thing that can tell if it (EVE) will be safe or not, is time, and that, we cant yet bend it to see whats going to happen in the future.
People tend to like new stuff, bigger stuff, prettier stuff.
I play EVE for years and i love it. But, from my past experiences, Star Citizen can be the next WoW, and if that happens, EVE will still be played by many, but it will never be EVE again.
Just like Anarchy Online was never Anarchy Online again.
People left AO because wow had an extremely compelling storyline that really draw you in, pretty graphics and most of all something that AO still doesn't have a game play without game breaking bug. AO was unbelievably broken by the time WOW appeared and PvP was won he who twinked or rather broke the system the most also AO was much like EVE which is to say a sand box and wow was something new entirely, a first well made themepark MMO that was easy to learn and play (unlike EQ that preceded it). |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3344
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Posted - 2014.12.06 10:03:47 -
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Aaand, now this is interesting: Stretch goals are gone!
They've passed on! The stretch goals are no more! They have ceased to be! They've expired and gone to meet their maker! They're stiffs! Bereft of life, they rest in peace! If you hadn't nailed them to the website, they'd be pushing up the daisies! Their metabolic processes are now history! They're off the twig! They kicked the bucket, they shuffled off their mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisible!! THEY ARE SOME EX-STRETCH GOALS!!
The Man himself says it in different words
Frankly, after adding pets at 64 million, the logical next step was to start selling armor sets. Yet CIG shied off that, apparently...
(And, if you read the letter carefully, you'll notice how launch date is 2016 as soonest)
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Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2014.12.06 12:55:11 -
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Star Citizens is still at least 2 or possibly 3 years away from being released. Can't exactly say how it will fare compared to other MMO's until it's closer to the release. |
Aston Bradley
Mars Mining Industry
70
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:29:56 -
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I am really looking forward to SC. (pledged my fair share)
Hope it delivers on it's promises, but I trust Chris Roberts. He's passion for space opera game has never let me down so far. And I dare say that EvE started as an MMO version of Chris 's Free Lancer.
That being said, i don't think I'll replace EvE by SC, as SC won't be as player driven as EvE is (Player population per server will not exceed 10% of the total number of NPC's).
SC will be my game for dog-fighting/ Walk in ship or station/ Planet exporation needs.
EvE will remain my game for industry/economy/and PvP warfare.
I don't see them as direct competition, they complement each other.
Elite : Dangerous. Tried it, a good space sim for the time being. But I still put my money on SC.
[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]
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Aston Bradley
Mars Mining Industry
70
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Posted - 2014.12.08 16:36:41 -
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Call Rollard wrote:Star Citizens is still at least 2 or possibly 3 years away from being released. Can't exactly say how it will fare compared to other MMO's until it's closer to the release.
FPS module early 2015
Planetside mid 2015
Beta is scheduled for end 2015
Single player campaign will be available for 2015.
Full scale release is scheduled for 2016.
Final product is still a long wait, but there is a very good chance that we'll get a playable better sooner than you might thing.
They only delayed their release once (When they got WAY more than what they expected to get in crowd funding, the game's scope changed so it's only natural that they had to delay the release to match the new objectives set)
It may be delayed but the delay you speak of is pure assumption at this point.
So far, the updates for the games progression are coming in quite nicely. (I never expected the FPS module to look this good)
I will agree that we can't compare untill we actually get to the beta phase (it's not even in alpha yet)
[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!
Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
420
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Posted - 2014.12.09 11:45:05 -
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Inly good thing about the delay is that the game will be more playable on less then highend cards assuming they keep system requirements the same and occulus rift has supposedly been released to consumer market by then. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
501
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Posted - 2014.12.13 00:10:07 -
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I was probably going to buy the $20 package SC had around Thanksgiving but by the time I read about it, it was "Out of Stock". Not gonna spend more than that on the game at this point. I'm not excited enough about it to be an enthusiastic backer. I watch all the development videos they put on Youtube though.
The fidelity of the ships is pretty impressive. But SC's design sense is awful. All their ships are completely uninspiring. A bunch of boring jets and race cars. It's like they hired a bunch of dudebros with no imagination to design this stuff, instead of proper artsy fartsy scifi nerds. EVE's spaceships have always impressed me. Lots of great designs here. Must be some proper artsy fartsy nerds working at CCP. Also they have at least one Frenchman on the art team and Frenchmen have an unfair natural in-born advantage at artsyness. SC should probably replace one of their dudebros with a Frenchie. Just my professional opinion.
I probably don't have time for two spaceship MMOish things. So if SC turns out to be awesome... dun dun duuuuuuun! It's impossible to know what SC will play like at the moment though. So far my opinion is 'MEH'.
MeBiatch wrote:you are not a real star fighter unless you played mantis I remember my dad had to go out any buy a special video card. this was was new because it included 3d! that was big back in 1992!
I had this game but it wouldn't run on the family computer. I guess we didn't have a video card. Anyway, I would look through the manual constantly. Looking at the drawings of the ships and reading their descriptions, dreaming about flying them...
The Journeyman Project would run on our computer so I played that. I just died all the time and never got anywhere with it. |
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