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SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:55:00 -
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A aeon has = or better hp to all titans do the math
with a type enam and x type hardeners armor ships with slave set and zet 5000 shield kva 3000 Aeon 55.4m Hel 30.5 Nyx 35.9 Wyvern 43.3
Avatar 56.5 Erebus 46.6 Levi 54.7 Rag 51.4
so how the hell does lower them all by 20% fix the problem of balancing them |
Kavrae Veila
Ordo Mercuia
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:57:00 -
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If you would read their statements, this is meant to balance them against other ship classes, not against each other. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:58:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:A aeon has = or better hp to all titans do the math
with a type enam and x type hardeners armor ships with slave set and zet 5000 shield kva 3000 Aeon 55.4m Hel 30.5 Nyx 35.9 Wyvern 43.3
Avatar 56.5 Erebus 46.6 Levi 54.7 Rag 51.4
so how the hell does lower them all by 20% fix the problem of balancing them
It's not a balance, it's a nerf. It's to make them easier to kill. I thought the clusterf*cks wanted this nerf? And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:02:00 -
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Quote:WHY IS CCP DOING a 20% HP REDUCTION ON ALL SUPER/TITANS
Because CCP can no longer afford the 20% increase in bandwidth caused by thread titles typed in ALL CAPS, so they have to reduce bandwidth by making supers and titans die sooner.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Kavrae Veila
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:07:00 -
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I would also like to be a bit nit-picky and say that "nerfing" is a form of balance. |
Party Lips
Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:07:00 -
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so we don't have to sit there for so long killing them |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:17:00 -
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Kavrae Veila wrote:I would also like to be a bit nit-picky and say that "nerfing" is a form of balance.
Agreed, but OP was assuming that the balance was between the supers, and the balance is more between supers, and caps. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:27:00 -
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but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel
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Kavrae Veila
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:31:00 -
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I think you missed the point. The idea is to bring their EHP back in line with other ship types while keeping it equal relative to one-another. The EHP ratio between them stays the same.
When they balance them relative to each other, THEN you can complain about one having more EHP than another. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:32:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel
You're assuming that's the only change coming, aren't you? Maybe, just maybe, CCP has also said that they are specifically looking at Minmatar caps and supers? |
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:32:00 -
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Um ... the nerf isn't targeted at any specific super, it's designed to bring the EHP of all supers closer to manageable levels. No one is arguing that the Hel could use a bit of a buff, but that's not what the super HP reduction is about at all. |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:36:00 -
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I just don't understand how they can adjust 100's of modules http://pastebin.com/TkY3rY6q but they can't go hey the aeon has more ehp than any titan lets lower that down a bit to bring it in line with the other supers |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:38:00 -
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I guess my problem is not really that the super caps are getting nerfed it that ALL titans have less ehp than a aeon |
Kavrae Veila
Ordo Mercuia
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:40:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:I just don't understand how they can adjust 100's of modules http://pastebin.com/TkY3rY6q but they can't go hey the aeon has more ehp than any titan lets lower that down a bit to bring it in line with the other supers
Have you taken the other attributes of the supercaps into account, or only the EHP? |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:42:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:I guess my problem is not really that the super caps are getting nerfed it that ALL titans have less ehp than a aeon
Keep in mind that this will actually hit the Aeon more than other ships (though maybe not enough, but it's still something).
Say the Aeon has 60M EHP and the Hel has 30M EHP (round numbers for easier math).
Removing 20% of the Aeon's EHP: 60M * 0.8 = 48M EHP, 12M EHP removed. Removing 20% of the Hel's EHP: 30M * 0.8 = 24M EHP, 6M EHP removed.
The Hel still needs a buff, but the Aeon does get hit more than the Hel by a global 20% EHP nerf. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:46:00 -
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SuperBeastie wrote:but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel
Agree that the Hel needs to be improved compared to the other supers, but that is not what this is about. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Nex apparatu5
Not a Shell Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:49:00 -
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SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:58:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:SuperBeastie wrote:but its just pants on head ******** to remove 20% from the hel the worst super and 20% from the aeon the best which has double the ehp of a hel
Agree that the Hel needs to be improved compared to the other supers, but that is not what this is about.
you're right that's not the point the point is supers should not have the same ehp as a titan that costs 4 times as much to build |
thrulinn
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:36:00 -
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NM |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:06:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote: so how the hell does lower them all by 20% fix the problem of balancing them
It's not a balance, it's a nerf. It's to make them easier to kill. I thought the clusterf*cks wanted this nerf?[/quote]
Nerfing is part of balancing. Balance doesn't = buff |
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Brynhilda
Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:32:00 -
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Clearly, it has nothing to do with the fact that the Aeon gets a bonus to armor resists and that armor caps are superior to shield caps. Why should they all have the same amount of HP? How may I drug you with drugs? |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2011.10.25 19:33:00 -
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I usually don't respond to threads like this, but . .
you know, for someone who appears to be a fairly butthurt Hel pilot or somesuch you really should have read the blog and its comments thread more thoroughly. It was all about nerfing the supers accross the board. Now for you to not realize that and to ***** and moan about slaves etc and not read the lengthy comments thread where people have already posted suggesting that slave sets not operate on capital ships as one possible solution is beyond belief to me.
Did this thread need to be created? You could have just posted in the other thread(s). Regardless, the gap between your Hel or whatever and the jerks poncing around in their Aeons already exists in game and will exist after the nerf. The good thing is all supercaps will be easier to kill and that is a very good thing.
Death to all Supercaps! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:50:00 -
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Because Bs's can't fit capital guns to get the crap out of those supers.
Has they can't neither get the crap out of most things unless they're used to alpha stuff and POS bash, but they're good at pve department.
*meanwhile BC's get Large weapon system on their hulls*
What? |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:53:00 -
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Why is TEST worried about a nerf to SCs? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:01:00 -
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Headerman wrote:Why is TEST worried about a nerf to SCs?
Who's TEST?
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:02:00 -
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Moms will now take only 80% of forever to kill... |
Sakaali
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:29:00 -
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Personally Id like to see them leave titan ehp alone. I think that there should be some hp difference between titans and supercarriers and with the logoff changes they are infinitely more vulnerable than they have been. Combined ehp nerf and logoffski changes are too much. |
draconothese
Independant Celestial Enterprises Pink Fluffy Pussycats
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:13:00 -
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less blobing and all other ships other then capitals were not getting used much
dont be butt hert about it just enjoy it XD |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:28:00 -
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since 09 moms have been on the chopping bloc - they were buffed for some odd reason with FBs 8srsly wtf was that about - probably some desperate action to prevent mass quitting) and moms proliferated. So anyone worth half their salt has seen the writing for moms on the boards for. . .3/4 years now.
srsly, just get rid of them. Moms and Titans have done nothing for the game. |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:34:00 -
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Ruah Piskonit wrote:since 09 moms have been on the chopping bloc - they were buffed for some odd reason with FBs 8srsly wtf was that about - probably some desperate action to prevent mass quitting) and moms proliferated. So anyone worth half their salt has seen the writing for moms on the boards for. . .3/4 years now.
srsly, just get rid of them. Moms and Titans have done nothing for the game.
just stay in highsec
the only problem with titans is they can doomsday subcaps and log off mechanics
the problem with super carriers is they have too much ehp and log off mechanics and low sec ecm bursts <--- this did not get fixed |
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