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Telraven
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.17 01:29:00 -
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Call me crazy, but for someone who has no part in it just looking in. It really looks like neither side has really achieved anything of note. Plenty forum posts certainly. but the dotlan map remains pretty much unchanged.
Even the propaganda which has been entertaining in the past seems to have gotten stale. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
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Posted - 2013.07.17 03:50:00 -
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It's a war between 2+ super powers. it is bound to be slow sometimes. One will give way too the other or all will go back too the status quo "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Winthorp
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:36:00 -
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Why can't we all just get along. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:07:00 -
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(nobody cares) |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:15:00 -
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Is there a war in Null?
Only war I know of saw about 800 ships destroyed in Innia last weekend. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:00:00 -
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What is Null Sec? This isn't a place for irrelevant things. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:21:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Is there a war in Null?
Only war I know of saw about 800 ships destroyed in Innia last weekend.
What a fun weekend props to u guys for bringing the fights GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:16:00 -
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OP, it's called CAOD |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:41:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:(nobody cares)
Sean Parisi wrote:What is Null Sec? This isn't a place for irrelevant things.
http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com We are recruiting - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1823364&#post1823364 |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:28:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:(nobody cares)
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:33:00 -
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800 ships? damn.
Where do you get the weekend statistics? |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.17 20:50:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:800 ships? damn.
Where do you get the weekend statistics? If you go somewhere and there's 800 wrecks, it's not like the tree in the woods, 800 ships MUST have been destroyed. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
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Posted - 2013.07.18 03:39:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:800 ships? damn.
Where do you get the weekend statistics?
From the in game map.
It said 794 when I checked it.
Might be more - the stat might have been for 'last 24 hours'. I should have done a screenshot. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:55:00 -
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War? Are we at war? Oh damn, that explains a few things. Thanks OP. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:47:00 -
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Taking sov is not a quick thing.. do some research, also look for most expensive losses if you want to see where the war is, Null wars generally aren't fought in frigs and cruisers. The thick plottens... |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:42:00 -
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Telraven wrote: Call me crazy, but for someone who has no part in it just looking in. It really looks like neither side has really achieved anything of note. Plenty forum posts certainly. but the dotlan map remains pretty much unchanged.
Even the propaganda which has been entertaining in the past seems to have gotten stale.
it's a case of a scrum. Neither team has an overwhelming advantage.
The plus on the Goon side is that they have a strong culture, a history of winning and an attitude that no matter what, they'll eventually prevail.... even if it means taking one system at a time in rifters.
Test are slightly different. I'm not privy to the details but it seems to me that test is an amalgamation of loose nullsec heavyweights that reformed in around 2010 on the heels of the fail-cascades of several of their founding predecessors. The joker in any fight with Test is wondering to what extent they have PL on a leash. |
Lee Hekard
Photon Scorpions
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:43:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Taking sov is not a quick thing.. do some research, also look for most expensive losses if you want to see where the war is, Null wars generally aren't fought in frigs and cruisers.
wrong. stealth bombers play a major factor in most battles. as do covert ops frigs for cynos. l2p. |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:42:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Taking sov is not a quick thing.. do some research, also look for most expensive losses if you want to see where the war is, Null wars generally aren't fought in frigs and cruisers.
Stealth bombers versus structures. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:47:00 -
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Lee Hekard wrote:Cage Man wrote:Null wars generally aren't fought in frigs and cruisers. wrong. stealth bombers play a major factor in most battles. as do covert ops frigs for cynos. l2p.
While Cage's 'generally' may be sorta true, especially from a historical PoV, Lee is spot-on here.
Frigates are playing a huge part in the Fountain invasion. They are the backbone of the round-the-clock invasion seige-fleets, bigtime players in the larger set-piece engagements, and constantly out playing FCd from all sides. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:48:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Stealth bombers versus structures.
More like 'Stealth Bombers versus everything" ... and usually coming out on top. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Major Killz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:38:00 -
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First of all. Please do not bring up "propaganda" because only retards and those who know little of the dynamics of combat (meta) and leadership in game talk about that sh!t.
I use to assume players were referring to MORAL but I have recently concluded they believe propaganda wins wars or is a major contributor. When that's not the case unless you're referring to how it effects ones OWN alliance or corporation. Because motivating players and people in general is something all leaders do and how they do so is, meh! I myself have used lies,truths, misdirection and other things that could be confused as solely "propaganda".
Still! That does not mean much unless you're able to win and GOONS WIN. The CFC would not be where they were if it was not for goonswarm federation and thier leadership and mainly it's fleet commanders. Winning battles and wars is where's its at. Yes an entity could lose alot but if they are willing to continue the fight even after heavy losses they can continue for sometime. Well! Until they go broke or lose all thier people that is. So destroying an entities will to fight is alot better than expending your assets and people to achieve that goal. However, that is mainly done from within and not from people posting things about whether they think one side will win or lose or if one side is bad at something.
Generally you would NEED to find someone from the INSIDE to forward that mindset and say it often enough to put doubt in their members or do things to speed up fail. Like disbanding an alliance, dropping sov, whelping fleets, and stealing alot of isk. Mainly though. Having people inside an alliance you'd like to destroy who put doubt in its members or pits its members against its leaders or somehow make line members lose confidence in its leaders. Things like that are the most helpful.
So I suggest you look at battles and internal politics within each entity. If one sides members seem determined and for the whole thing that's agood sign one side has no internal conflict. If one side is losing ALOT of battles or isk then its safe to say they are losing at a major aspect of war (combat). That means they will have to make up in some other area to compete. Hopefully they are playing meta games so the other guy is losing members due to internal conflict and not any losses on the battlefield.
Anyway. As of now the CFC is winning the majority of battles on the small, medium and large scale. The CFC members are determined to win and internally they seem fine. Looking at NCDOT and Nullisecunda I'm not sure I see the same. As I have bros in both alliances and they don't much care for helping test but they do want to destroy the CFC but they're not putting to much effort into it or care. Seems to be the leadership who are forcing them into a SERIOUS thing with the CFC. In any case they are not really competing with the CFC on any level of combat (small, med or large). Prolly why PL did not want to engage the CFC in a real sov thing because well it would be hard and no one in PL's leadership wants hard more as a principle since losing fountain back when. PL has only ever backed some other dude in sov battles and not really leading it more supporting it and benefiting. Not since the war with the old NC and nulli/AAA in the south the first time has PL lead there own war. Its always been a pick a side and kill the other dude with no hard lifting.
As for test alliance? They are bad on the leadership level and always been that way. Due to the culture they will never be better than they are. They have fun but could never do anything serious. They have terrible fleet commanders which means they are incompetent. They could never go to war with the CFC without pl's leadership which are ALOT better and at that time non had any interest in going to war with the CFC. With the head or at least hte fleet commanders who could win engagements. Test is just a fun place to chill. MOnti has always been a terrible leader but he was trying to gain the people needed to be better but failed. So test is really a bunch of sheep. They need someone to herd them and no one is atm, but at least they're being helped. If NCDOT did start to completely take test alliance over and integrate like a serious coalition. I think things would be A LOT better in the war. Test can put alot of happy members on the field when they're winning. I mean like 700 - 1000 on thier own and that is something you could only expect from a coalition not ONE ALLIANCE. If NCDOT was smart they would take that asset and run with it.
Anyway. Right now the CFC are clearly winning the vast majority of battles and internally they seem fine. I mean the CFC is just a PL surrounded by smaller test like alliances that cannot do anything without goonswarm federation except for RAZOR.
So Test cannot survive without someone more competent and they should join NCDOT/Nulli's coalition and truly integrate. Otherwise whelp... Oh! As some have said. You go for the moons first and start making bank. You really start taking sov after the war has been won. Goons are already making R64 isk and don't be fooled. Even if they don't win in fountain they wont be broke. They'll just have to scale back their ship replacement program to the level that most competent pvp entities have. Also even if the CFC lose their space and its just goonswarm. Unless you destroy goonswarm itself the Mitanni will still be an issue for the foreseeable future. So to truly win you need goonswarm to disband lol.
Hmm... Words! I must have be really bored today. - Killz
Combat Video Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon (June 13, 2013) - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.07.20 01:15:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Taking sov is not a quick thing.. do some research, also look for most expensive losses if you want to see where the war is, Null wars generally aren't fought in frigs and cruisers.
No there fought in bombers, caracals and in fear to use supers cos of PL. and NC. right?
If Not then blueballs GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.07.20 02:42:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:First of all. Please do not bring up "propaganda" because only retards and those who know little of the dynamics of combat (meta) and leadership in game talk about that sh!t.
It's ok, I am a tard and know nothing about nothing so propaganda is a fine thing for me to talk about. Like, anyway, anyone is gonna avoid it because snigge-person says so :-)
The well-off and wealthy have a moral responsibility towards the disadvantaged. So, of course, in a true gentlepersonally style GENTS cares about TESTis and has been putting a lot of effort into their welfare: - http://i.imgur.com/9XVxcK7.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/LkLGym1.png - http://i.imgur.com/NxCn8ki.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/cvarAWT.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/V2hjkGK.jpg
We have also been helping them find their way to safety: - http://i.imgur.com/cvarAWT.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/kprYQbx.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/oMYElzI.jpg
Providing expert medical assistance and advice: - http://i.imgur.com/tLpRK95.png - http://i.imgur.com/KJx7Uym.jpg
Supporting their remedial training programs: - http://i.imgur.com/qSPvHKd.png
Assisting with the effective redeployment of their poorly utilised resources: - http://i.imgur.com/4kOLeA9.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/mWDEnfd.png
And helping out with their inevitable anger problems: - http://i.imgur.com/rmhpDL4.jpg
GENTS, because we care!
p.s. mega props to Marne Deville I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
1155
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Posted - 2013.07.20 02:52:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote: No there fought in bombers, caracals and in fear to use supers cos of PL. and NC. right? If Not then blueballs
alu has hit the nail on the head. Look the proof of TESTis winning the war can be clearly seen in DOTLAN - http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain#sov
CFC has taken only 11 Fountain systems and has only one pair of active JBs in the region. TESTis still have not lost the almost-100 remaining Fountain sov-systems and probably still have a functioning JB-pair or two. So clearly TESTis, and their rest-of-eve allies, are walloping CFC in this war.
Not only that but CFC is using all those small ships, doctrine upon doctrine of them, because they cannot afford to fund bigger things. Broke **and** losing the war, I think I will go and despair somewhere. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Major Killz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:08:00 -
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I AM
LIT
R O F L - Killz
Combat Video Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon (June 13, 2013) - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1089
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:10:00 -
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Telraven wrote: Call me crazy, but for someone who has no part in it just looking in. It really looks like neither side has really achieved anything of note. Plenty forum posts certainly. but the dotlan map remains pretty much unchanged.
Even the propaganda which has been entertaining in the past seems to have gotten stale.
It's a long and drawn out fight, with a nameless...faceless alt making commentary. I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Roweship
RNI Inovation
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:12:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:800 ships? damn.
Where do you get the weekend statistics? From the in game map. It said 794 when I checked it. Might be more - the stat might have been for 'last 24 hours'. I should have done a screenshot.
Probably the same hundred or so people reshipping over and over into more linked frigates and destroyers. I'm sure if you got the equivalent isk together you could almost buy three hisec incursion ships.
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