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Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:00:00 -
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Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
8546
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:01:00 -
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piracy already has consequences
go back to warfart You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
Grunanca
Sickology
10
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:02:00 -
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Make missions have real consequenses!
Killing a rat should make the faction hunt you, and merely entering high sec should make the rats send a fleet after you, which will no matter what kill you! |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
3113
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:03:00 -
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I agree, no pirate NPCs should be allowed into hisec.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Grunanca
Sickology
10
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:03:00 -
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Mining should have real consequenses!
Make asterois moving, so and make them able to smash into mining ships, in a way that makes them explode, so that people cant make unlimited isk mining! |
Nedisu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:04:00 -
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Mining should have real consequences. Mining should flag you as an ecological terrorist able to be shot by anyone. |
Grunanca
Sickology
10
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:05:00 -
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Make exploration in high sec have real consequenses!
Make it so that evil drones scan you down everytime you use a scanner. Make it so that they kill you merely for pressing the scan button. |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
65
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:07:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.
Would those be the same scumbags who had tea with the queen and bore their letter of marque proudly?
Being a pirate and being on good terms with a nation are hardly mutually exclusive. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3105
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:09:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags. Got ganked by a -10 today, eh? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8903
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:11:00 -
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Go pirate and the government takes your car as punishment?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15583
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:17:00 -
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Why? Also, no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
696
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:21:00 -
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Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Nuglord
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
7
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:23:00 -
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Grunanca wrote:Make missions have real consequenses!
Killing a rat should make the faction hunt you, and merely entering high sec should make the rats send a fleet after you, which will no matter what kill you! I agree nobody should be allowed in highsec.
It sucks anyway. |
Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:23:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Kyperion wrote:Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags. Got ganked by a -10 today, eh? I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting. |
Skill Training Online
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:24:00 -
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Pirates should be instantly banned from EVE.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15583
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:26:00 -
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dexington wrote:Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them. More accurately: pirates shot him and he refuses to do anything about it, so now he wants CCP to compensate for his incompetence.
GǪwhich is exactly what raises the question: why?
Kyperion wrote:But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences It's not without consequence, though. If there is a problem, it's because you, specifically, have actively chosen to voide those consequences you want to see. To fix that GÇ£problemGÇ¥, the solution is simple: choose differently. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:27:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.
Go here: Learn to quickly train gank alt.
Go to -10.00
Come back and maintain your argument.
Until then. STFU about it already. |
Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:27:00 -
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dexington wrote:Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them.
.... 1 v 1 I would have won, pirate was a multiboxer.... I took him to structure even though I was completely and ridiculously NOT fitted for a PVP engagement. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:30:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Kyperion wrote:Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags. Got ganked by a -10 today, eh? I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting.
Wait, you shot first? And now your whining. You didn't even get suicide ganked. Ahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3852
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:31:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:dexington wrote:Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them. .... 1 v 1 I would have won, pirate was a multiboxer.... I took him to structure even though I was completely and ridiculously NOT fitted for a PVP engagement. So really this is about multiboxing then.
Perhaps one of the alts was an OFF GRID BOOSTER?
Or perhaps even a ... FALCON There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. Fountain will never fall. Deklein by September. Thought is not heresy, wrong thought is.
PL, NC., N3, Tribe, 401k, you are our only hope ! ~TEST2013 |
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Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:dexington wrote:Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them. More accurately: pirates shot him and he refuses to do anything about it, so now he wants CCP to compensate for his incompetence. GǪwhich is exactly what raises the question: why? I see the unevolved neanderthals are online in force tonight.... a PVE fit will not do anything against a PVP ship.... which is the main problem, you PVPers don't want challenge, just target practice... what you do is LESS challenging than a LVL 4 mission. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1221
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:31:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting.
well, salvaging and looting wrecks is a waste of time, anyway.
npcs nowadays actually will consider all the player ships they can see as targets, and may choose to target anyone. some ccp guys have said in the past they want to make pve and pve fits more like pvp, which is something i'm looking forward to as well.
shooting does have consequences, but not if you chose to shoot him first. which was silly.
you're overreacting. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1221
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:33:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: I see the unevolved neanderthals are online in force tonight.... a PVE fit will not do anything against a PVP ship.... which is the main problem, you PVPers don't want challenge, just target practice... what you do is LESS challenging than a LVL 4 mission.
no, mission gankers are looking for people who'll let themselves get killed. why do you have to be so insulting of people who just happen to play differently than you? |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:37:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Tippia wrote:dexington wrote:Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them. More accurately: pirates shot him and he refuses to do anything about it, so now he wants CCP to compensate for his incompetence. GǪwhich is exactly what raises the question: why? I see the unevolved neanderthals are online in force tonight.... a PVE fit will not do anything against a PVP ship.... which is the main problem, you PVPers don't want challenge, just target practice... what you do is LESS challenging than a LVL 4 mission.
So your admitting you know you made a poor choice and you want somebody else to do something about it. And we are the unevolved? |
dexington
Dexington Corporation
696
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:41:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:1 v 1 I would have won, pirate was a multiboxer.... I took him to structure even though I was completely and ridiculously NOT fitted for a PVP engagement.
Learn to fly ships you can afford to lose, and maybe it would actually have been a good fight for you, even if you lost.
You are the one doing it wrong not the pirate, stop asking ccp to change the game because it's to hard with other players around. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
15583
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:42:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:I see the unevolved neanderthals are online in force tonight. So you agree, then, and can't think of a single argument to the contrary since you have to resort to ad hominems in an (ultimately failed) attempt at saving face.
The fact remains: you refuse to do anything about it and you want CCP to compensate for your choice.
Quote:a PVE fit will not do anything against a PVP ship GǪaside from, you know, do damage to it. The gankers you're complaining about want money, same as you. They just choose a more involved and difficult way of making it than the brainlessness of an L4 mission. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Chic Botany
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:44:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting.
Aha, posting in a stealth "Ninja Salvaging should be concordable" thread :)
Salvage does not belong to you, salvage belongs to the person who activates the salvage modules. The loot inside the wreck does belong to the person who destroyed the ship, and if the salvager just salvaged then there was no crime committed.
If however the salvager took the loot inside the wreck at the same time, then you can rightly shoot at them, but a judgement process should be followed.
1) Can his ship assplode my ship? 2) Will he warp off as soon as I take the first shot, go fit in a more pvp geared ship 3) Has he got mates who will come in and gank you
If you're in doubt about any of the above 3, then ignore him, either warp out of your mission, let the rats persuade him to leave, or just let him get on with it.
By shooting him he got what he wanted, a kill and a laugh.
Don't say anything, don't convo him, don't rage in local, don't rage on the forum, just ignore him, if it happens on a regular occurrence then move your missioning set up from a major mission running hub. |
Kyperion
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:44:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Kyperion wrote:Tippia wrote:dexington wrote:Pirates shot him and he is unable to do anything about it, so now he wants ccp to punish them. More accurately: pirates shot him and he refuses to do anything about it, so now he wants CCP to compensate for his incompetence. GǪwhich is exactly what raises the question: why? I see the unevolved neanderthals are online in force tonight.... a PVE fit will not do anything against a PVP ship.... which is the main problem, you PVPers don't want challenge, just target practice... what you do is LESS challenging than a LVL 4 mission. So your admitting you know you made a poor choice and you want somebody else to do something about it. And we are the unevolved I'm not talking about my specific choice, I'm talking about the overarching PVP/PVE player base... being a pirate in highsec is ridiculously easy, its where the players who either have no experience or limited/no interest in PVP are... therefore they will either not engage said pirate, or they will be easy prey.
It is made even easier by the fact that a PVE fit will die horribly against PVP fits.... and PVE fits are generally way more expensive.
if PVE fits could compete against PVP fits, you'd see a lot less epeen pirates in the game AND on the forums... the PVP crowd isn't nearly as good at this game as they think they are. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10861
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:45:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Security status once it drops to 0 should always be negative and merely jumping into a high sec system should get a pirate killed, the same way the U.S. Navy and British Navy before terminated with extreme prejudice pirate scumbags.
When was the last time you attacked someone with a criminal flag?
1 Kings 12:11
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Cecil Montague
PCG Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2013.07.18 06:45:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: I chose to engage the -10 ninja salvager, in a situation I knew I would probably lose. But it doesn't make sense to me all these scumbags running around ganking people without consequences, and when you have to fit your ship or fly entirely DIFFERENT ships for PVE/PVP... a player shooting at you without getting concorded is NOT a meaningful consequence.... if the PVP crowd wants to engage PVE even if they don't want it, CCP should either make the NPCs maniacally hunt the pirates, or make PVP/PVE fitting and ships the same ergo, I could easily PVE AND PVP in the same ship with the same fitting.
Long term I believe CCP does intend to make PvE content that forces you to use PvP fittings and tactics. In the mean time there are several things you can do to mitigate the danger of being ganked.
1) Don't over pimp your ship. 2) Don't mission in or near market/mission hubs. Find a quiet system 5 or more jumps away. 3) Don't sit on the entry beacon to a site. Move off it and keep moving, where possible stay aligned to something. 4) Have insta undock BM's on any station you use especially if it's a kick out station, though if you undock and there are half a dozen guys in Nado's sitting outside milling about you ctrl-space, wait out your 10 seconds then redock and go do something else. 5) Have local open and in a seperate viewable window at all times. If you see a bunch of outlaws enter system dock up and wait (or better yet switch to a PvP ship and try and get some kills)
Other than that the best thing you can do is accept the fact that you are never safe and sooner or later you will get blown up. Plan accordingly.
"There is no such thing as an effective segment of Totality" - Bruce Lee: The only man with a Chuck Norris killmail. |
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