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FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
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Posted - 2013.07.18 11:39:00 -
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What on earth =P
You don't get it.
You can beat someone with t1 modules and t1 ammo But beating someone that knows what too do compared too you ( probably driving into them screaming )
you won't learn anything with your mindset, ever...
Join EvE uni and stop this madness =)
Ive been in EvE-Uni... If you enjoy the game join them, they're really nice ^^ |
lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
68
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:00:00 -
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Oh it's this guy again. You offer him advice and he just flat out ignores it and whines and assumes his mis-assumptions are assumably correct hurhurhur |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
498
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:46:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:FuzzyButt wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Anja Suorsa wrote:You can use faction ammo in T1 launchers if you insist on not training for T2. Tech 2 adds flexibility, not much else.
Edit: That said, the value of flexibility is not to be underestimated. I'm not going to waste 1000ISK a shot on a ship that will die almost instantly considering that normal rockets are only 10. Yepp... He must be trolling... i kinda agree more and more on this... you should switch game =) I only have 50m ISK and I'm trying to build up my reserves. a fully equibmed pvp frigate is going to cost about 1m, 1000 faction rockets (my standard ammount I carry) is going to cost about 10m. Its stupid that I'm going to wast 10m on a fight I'm probadly going to lose anyway. Yet 12% extra damage is good but not worth that kind of price for me. I keep giving up on pvp because I keep getting beat so hard. Yet I keep coming back hoping I'll be better at it and then I get hit and then I die over and over. I get angery and go on here and just get beaten down by people like you and then I go back to mining and missioning. Atleast they are rewarding. Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I'm not going to put in the same effort and investment into my ships, my meta 0 fits should be equal in power to those people with tech 2!
Is what he's saying.
Don't worry people, this one will be back to wow before long.
That would actaully be a good thing, removed the physical superiority of tech 2 weapons and ammo. keep the specialisation skills. That would atleast be kind of fair about things. then its more about personal and character skill instead of purely better numbers.
If you want that go play CS:GO, mmorpgs have skill progressions for a REASON: they give you results for time invested. This game is designed in a way that older players have an advantage over newer players BUT (this is a HUGE butt, hi nicki minaj) the older player can only be better than the newer player in a specific ship.....................
UNTIL THE NEWER PLAYER GETS THE SAME SKILLS IN THAT PARTICULAR SHIP.
So HTFU, train t2 weapons (cmon 5 days for small weapons, stop being such a ***** about it) and live up to the fact you won't beat an experienced player in 1vs1 for a LONG ******* TIME, because not only do they have an SP advantage over you, they have an "I've done this thousands of times, whipper-snapper" advantage over you. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:55:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you want that go play CS:GO, mmorpgs have skill progressions for a REASON: they give you results for time invested. This game is designed in a way that older players have an advantage over newer players BUT (this is a HUGE butt, hi nicki minaj) the older player can only be better than the newer player in a specific ship.....................
UNTIL THE NEWER PLAYER GETS THE SAME SKILLS IN THAT PARTICULAR SHIP.
So HTFU, train t2 weapons (cmon 5 days for small weapons, stop being such a ***** about it) and live up to the fact you won't beat an experienced player in 1vs1 for a LONG ******* TIME, because not only do they have an SP advantage over you, they have an "I've done this thousands of times, whipper-snapper" advantage over you.
and you wonder why we only have 0.5m paided accounts?
whats the point of pvp if everyone else is going to better than you? Atleast other games have a skill brackets to ensure new players aren't wiped out by better players.
In WOW or any other RPGMMO you don't see level 100 beating up level 1s in the starting area. |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
38
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:04:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you want that go play CS:GO, mmorpgs have skill progressions for a REASON: they give you results for time invested. This game is designed in a way that older players have an advantage over newer players BUT (this is a HUGE butt, hi nicki minaj) the older player can only be better than the newer player in a specific ship.....................
UNTIL THE NEWER PLAYER GETS THE SAME SKILLS IN THAT PARTICULAR SHIP.
So HTFU, train t2 weapons (cmon 5 days for small weapons, stop being such a ***** about it) and live up to the fact you won't beat an experienced player in 1vs1 for a LONG ******* TIME, because not only do they have an SP advantage over you, they have an "I've done this thousands of times, whipper-snapper" advantage over you.
and you wonder why we only have 0.5m paided accounts? whats the point of pvp if everyone else is going to better than you? Atleast other games have a skill brackets to ensure new players aren't wiped out by better players. In WOW or any other RPGMMO you don't see level 100 beating up level 1s in the starting area.
Mate...
your leaving the starting area tho xD heading too low sec
Join EvE-Uni.
unless you know how you can't solo anything
Look upon it as doing a group quest, find some mates too fly with. Hunt in packs =P |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
500
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:07:00 -
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I don't wonder why there's only 500,000 subscribers. I know exactly why EVE has that many: because this is a niche mmo that appeals to a particular area of the mmorpg market. It's not a theme-park, instant gratification monstrosity that appeals to the ages of 11-15. Nobody wants that here and CCP don't want it either and it's working for them since this game has grown EVERY YEAR since it's launch unlike 99% of other games.
The point of pvp is that you learn from it, so you can eventually be better than the people that beat you today. I know that you might think this is impossible because you're extremely narrow-minded and immature but it does happen.
Other games have skill brackets because they have tournament systems (lets take wow arena for example). There is no such pre-determined game mechanic here as this is a sandbox game (this means much of the game is created by the players themselves).
Yes you're right this isn't wow and a 200m sp vet can go and suicide gank 500k sp noobs fresh out of tutorials. How often does this happen? Almost never because there are CONSEQUENCES.
You went LOOKING for pvp, unprepared and unwilling to train and fit your ships so they are on par with the people you are fighting. What on earth did you ******* expect? |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
38
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:11:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I don't wonder why there's only 500,000 subscribers. I know exactly why EVE has that many: because this is a niche mmo that appeals to a particular area of the mmorpg market. It's not a theme-park, instant gratification monstrosity that appeals to the ages of 11-15. Nobody wants that here and CCP don't want it either and it's working for them since this game has grown EVERY YEAR since it's launch unlike 99% of other games.
The point of pvp is that you learn from it, so you can eventually be better than the people that beat you today. I know that you might think this is impossible because you're extremely narrow-minded and immature but it does happen.
Other games have skill brackets because they have tournament systems (lets take wow arena for example). There is no such pre-determined game mechanic here as this is a sandbox game (this means much of the game is created by the players themselves).
Yes you're right this isn't wow and a 200m sp vet can go and suicide gank 500k sp noobs fresh out of tutorials. How often does this happen? Almost never because there are CONSEQUENCES.
You went LOOKING for pvp, unprepared and unwilling to train and fit your ships so they are on par with the people you are fighting. What on earth did you ******* expect?
Man this is so fun too read =D
100% Agree ^^ |
Enochx Kaine
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
12
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:32:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you want that go play CS:GO, mmorpgs have skill progressions for a REASON: they give you results for time invested. This game is designed in a way that older players have an advantage over newer players BUT (this is a HUGE butt, hi nicki minaj) the older player can only be better than the newer player in a specific ship.....................
UNTIL THE NEWER PLAYER GETS THE SAME SKILLS IN THAT PARTICULAR SHIP.
So HTFU, train t2 weapons (cmon 5 days for small weapons, stop being such a ***** about it) and live up to the fact you won't beat an experienced player in 1vs1 for a LONG ******* TIME, because not only do they have an SP advantage over you, they have an "I've done this thousands of times, whipper-snapper" advantage over you.
and you wonder why we only have 0.5m paided accounts? whats the point of pvp if everyone else is going to better than you? Atleast other games have a skill brackets to ensure new players aren't wiped out by better players. In WOW or any other RPGMMO you don't see level 100 beating up level 1s in the starting area.
................AND THERE IT IS!!!! I am new to Eve and all that, but even I knew it was only a matter of time before someone tried the WoW vs. anythingelse argument.
Dear Lord dude.....Here's the thing. When I first played WoW I was blown away. It was great. I played that game for 4 or 5 years I think. But as I tried different games seeking the same satisfaction I got when I first started playing WoW, I discovered something. All the theme-park instant grat. games are all the same. SWTOR is WoW with lightsabers....no way around it. Rift is WoW in a different world. Tera is WoW with weird ass Asian anime (seriously how can you play a game where you can be a magic weilding playboy bunny that can't be any older than 14? and I mean the CHARACTER is 14 not the actual person behind the keyboard) The Secret World is more or less WoW but with guns and a little more freedom as far as building your char.
But they are all WoW nonetheless. You grind, you buy gear, you are teh same as everyone else. It's communism dude. It ain't no good.
This game, however, is different. It takes time to be good. It takes time to train your skills. And I promise you one thing dude, even if you had Tech 2 weapons on your ship, you would still lose. Because it takes time to learn tactics and how to fly and fight. Two ships with the same gear are not equal if one pilot knows how to play and the other doesn't.
Trust me dude. I just started FW and pvp last week. I came into FW space and found a good corp. I came in with a few ships, and about 90 mill in isk. A week later my record is 0-10. I am down to 2 mill isk. I suck. Horribly. But it isn't because I don't have tech 2 stuff.....some thiings I actually DO have tech 2 stuff. I lose because I haven't figured out how to properly fight yet. There are tactics and strategies you have to learn. It isn't just mindless button mashing.
You should probably go back to WoW if you won't accept that because that's just how it is. Like the other poster said, this game has 500k subs for a reason. You either like this game or you don't. There is no learning curve...it is a learning cliff. |
Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
2057
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:55:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
If you want that go play CS:GO, mmorpgs have skill progressions for a REASON: they give you results for time invested. This game is designed in a way that older players have an advantage over newer players BUT (this is a HUGE butt, hi nicki minaj) the older player can only be better than the newer player in a specific ship.....................
UNTIL THE NEWER PLAYER GETS THE SAME SKILLS IN THAT PARTICULAR SHIP.
So HTFU, train t2 weapons (cmon 5 days for small weapons, stop being such a ***** about it) and live up to the fact you won't beat an experienced player in 1vs1 for a LONG ******* TIME, because not only do they have an SP advantage over you, they have an "I've done this thousands of times, whipper-snapper" advantage over you.
and you wonder why we only have 0.5m paided accounts? whats the point of pvp if everyone else is going to better than you? Atleast other games have a skill brackets to ensure new players aren't wiped out by better players. In WOW or any other RPGMMO you don't see level 100 beating up level 1s in the starting area.
I was less than 2 months old using t1 weapons. Fighting players alot older than I was...
These guys have been playing for years... trust me.. the issue is not the game. IT'S YOU... ONLY YOU. Your attitude says it all....
http://kane.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8600172 http://kane.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9977480
Some people just can't PVP no matter how hard they try or how much skills they have. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
101
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:56:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote: lots of words
My like, you has it. |
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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:14:00 -
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Enochx Kaine wrote: But they are all WoW nonetheless. You grind, you buy gear, you are teh same as everyone else. It's communism dude. It ain't no good.
This game, however, is different. It takes time to be good. It takes time to train your skills. And I promise you one thing dude, even if you had Tech 2 weapons on your ship, you would still lose. Because it takes time to learn tactics and how to fly and fight. Two ships with the same gear are not equal if one pilot knows how to play and the other doesn't.
how is it different?
I'm grinding time for SP and ISK which allows me to buy and equib gear and ships made by other people but there are only so many ships so yeah on a mechanices level its still pretty much WOW.
Enochx Kaine wrote: Trust me dude. I just started FW and pvp last week. I came into FW space and found a good corp. I came in with a few ships, and about 90 mill in isk. A week later my record is 0-10. I am down to 2 mill isk. I suck. Horribly. But it isn't because I don't have tech 2 stuff.....some thiings I actually DO have tech 2 stuff. I lose because I haven't figured out how to properly fight yet. There are tactics and strategies you have to learn. It isn't just mindless button mashing.
if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work.
And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life. |
Bearded Vengeance
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:25:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods.
No risk, no reward. I believe that's a common thing that people say. Especially about Eve. |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
38
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:46:00 -
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Mate
"That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work."
you think this will happpen by PvPing ?????
Mate...
1. HighSec 2. Do missions / go Mining 3.??? 4. Profitt ( the result you want)
PVP... CAN make you money, if you know how too do it. Aka. learn it and this includes risk and cost. the people playing this game has clawed themselves trought losses and isk. they didn't magically become amazing and wealthy.
Hopefully this isn't a troll.. Would make me look bad ingame <3 |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
500
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:48:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Enochx Kaine wrote: But they are all WoW nonetheless. You grind, you buy gear, you are teh same as everyone else. It's communism dude. It ain't no good.
This game, however, is different. It takes time to be good. It takes time to train your skills. And I promise you one thing dude, even if you had Tech 2 weapons on your ship, you would still lose. Because it takes time to learn tactics and how to fly and fight. Two ships with the same gear are not equal if one pilot knows how to play and the other doesn't.
how is it different? I'm grinding time for SP and ISK which allows me to buy and equib gear and ships made by other people but there are only so many ships so yeah on a mechanices level its still pretty much WOW. Enochx Kaine wrote: Trust me dude. I just started FW and pvp last week. I came into FW space and found a good corp. I came in with a few ships, and about 90 mill in isk. A week later my record is 0-10. I am down to 2 mill isk. I suck. Horribly. But it isn't because I don't have tech 2 stuff.....some thiings I actually DO have tech 2 stuff. I lose because I haven't figured out how to properly fight yet. There are tactics and strategies you have to learn. It isn't just mindless button mashing.
if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work. And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.
Let me put this in a way you will hopefully understand:
EVE pvp and WoW pvp are essentially THE SAME.
You get your arena gear in WoW, nobody can get any better gear because that is the top level gear.
You get your tech 2 modules and train up your skills, nobody can train more skills or get any better modules because that is the limit.
Now what separates people when they reach this level? Their personal skill and experience.
Two guys with all t2 mods and all relevant skills at 5 who will win? Obviously the one that flies better.
So this is the same pvp concept as every other game, your level of pvp is like going into arena with quest greens, how do you think that will turn out? Sure sometimes you can outplay someone in full arena epics with green gear but that's exactly the same in eve. A condor with a TD and meta 0 modules as long as he can keep range on a blaster ship will eventually kill it.
Also pvp in this game VERY RARELY is profitable. If you came into EVE pvp expecting to make money then hoooo boy you got another thing coming. FW can make you money but you usually have to do this IN A FLEET, don't expect to take any plexes solo if you're a noob with meta 0 modules and low sp.
Make some friends, start playing this game how it's supposed to be played. All those "solo" pvpers have perfect skills combined with extremely expensive implants with possible booster alts, EVE is not designed to work well as a solo player but it CAN be done (with excessive effort as previously described).
Also I know this hasn't got much to do with anything but your attitude is horrible: blaming everyone else but yourself is a sure fire path to failure, not just in games but in life. |
Lee Hekard
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:59:00 -
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There is not 'worst' weapon in EVE. Neither is there a 'best'. Look at the rocket stats again more carefully, and fit your ship to take full advantage of what the rocket weapon system has to offer. Comparing rockets to light missiles is arbitrary. Both are as capable as blasters and each other in a fight, if they are utilized to their potential. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:02:00 -
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Lee Hekard wrote:There is not 'worst' weapon in EVE. Neither is there a 'best'. Look at the rocket stats again more carefully, and fit your ship to take full advantage of what the rocket weapon system has to offer. Comparing rockets to light missiles is arbitrary. Both are as capable as blasters and each other in a fight, if they are utilized to their potential.
you haven't see the rest of the thread have you?
we stopped talking about rockets after page 1 |
Cannibal Kane
Temple of Kane
2057
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:02:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Lee Hekard wrote:There is not 'worst' weapon in EVE. Neither is there a 'best'. Look at the rocket stats again more carefully, and fit your ship to take full advantage of what the rocket weapon system has to offer. Comparing rockets to light missiles is arbitrary. Both are as capable as blasters and each other in a fight, if they are utilized to their potential. you haven't see the rest of the thread have you? we stopped talking about rockets after page 1
People always ignore my post because I point out the truth. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2013.07.18 17:43:00 -
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It's pretty amazing how constantly OP makes mistakes with his wordings and yet each sentence's grammatical structure itself is almost always intact and very "Englishy". |
Enochx Kaine
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
14
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:01:00 -
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I can't keep saying the same thing over and over again. OP...you just don't get it. You don't want to listen to us trying to HELP you get it, so take you wallet back to high sec and make it fatter. Go. Shooo. Begone with you. Go orbit the Concord battleship at your closest 1.0 gate.
You bring up WoW comparisons, but claim to have never actually played wow. I am now convinced this is nothing but a troll. I banish thee back under the bridge.
He's the grumpy old troll who lives under the bridge HHHAAAAIIIIIII He's the grumpy old troll who lives under the bridge.
no more riddles troll. no more. |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
38
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:34:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.
You are just a big ball of laughter and light. Here, look at these kills:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18154898
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18793136
These are the kind of pvp kills in simple tech 1 ships with tech 1 fittings that you, as a new player, could be in on if you would lighten up, be more approachable, and make some friends in-game. And don't make the assumption that these kills were blobs rolling over a cornered victim; they were not. EVE is very much a group game. By insisting to yourself that anything other than solo play is "cheating" you have set yourself up for failure and you have decided it is the game's fault.
The problem here goes beyond games, I'm afraid.
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Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:40:00 -
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1) PVP is not the way to make isk. A carrier using sentries killing rats can make 300m isk/hr(ive heard 500m isk/hr thrown about but thats probably not sustainable). use other methods to fund your pvp needs
2) EVE is brutal and thats what many people including myself like about it. A newb can be scammed and killed by experienced players. So dont walk into pvp expecting a fair fight. Losing a ship that costs you real losses in game is one of the things that makes eve great.
3) the best weapons always help in a fight. If you cant afford faction ammo and t2 weapons then accept the fact that you wont win against people that do and can afford those losses.
4) join a newb friendly pvp environment IE RVB, Eve- uni
5) everyone loses lots of frigs when they first start pvp. You wont be any different. If you cant afford that then keep earning isk in other ways and pvp as you can afford it
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1491
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Posted - 2013.07.18 22:40:00 -
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Defender missiles. |
arktyus
Turalyon Plus
2
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:23:00 -
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Question on rockets or faction ammo in general. Why in the world is it so expensive on the market? Saw rockets going to over 1,000 isk a rocket in ren. That is insane! I buy my ammo with LP and it doesn't seem too expensive, but on the market it's crazy. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
559
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:35:00 -
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arktyus wrote:Question on rockets or faction ammo in general. Why in the world is it so expensive on the market? Saw rockets going to over 1,000 isk a rocket in ren. That is insane! I buy my ammo with LP and it doesn't seem too expensive, but on the market it's crazy.
The problem is that you are shopping somewhere other than Jita. |
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:23:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work.
Hooooooly crap. OK. Where do I start. I suggest you cancel your subscription now, because with this mentality you will NOT enjoy EVE. You've already proven to be unreasonably resistant to changing your viewpoint so one can only assume you are an entitled 12 year old. Nonetheless! I shall attempt to do what others have already tried, and explain WHY YOU ARE WRONG.
PVP IS NOT A PROFITABLE ACTIVITY Ok, it can be, but only as part of a fleet/gang and only some of the time. If you are good at PvP (and no newbie is) then you might make a profit from someone's bounty, or get a shiny drop, but if you are flying solo, then chances are you will get wiped out by a gang and end your day with less money in your wallet than when you started. Think of it this way: If you undock it, you've lost it. Any profit you make or if you get to dock that ship again is just icing on the cake.
Paul Otichoda wrote:And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life.
You seem to love WoW comparisons despite not having ever played WoW, OR seemingly even having a grasp on PVP in other MMOs. Here's some analogies for you though:
- You went to low-sec looking for a fight = You left the starting area as a level 5, and went to a level 60+ area
- You flew a Meta0, T1 frigate into lowsec = You are a level 5, in white/green items, going into an area with level 60's in epics
- You complained when you couldn't fight solo = You complained when you tried to run up the side of a battleground and found 5 players defending their flag
- You have no experiance in PvP, and got killed by players more skilled than you = You're in quest greens, and decided to dual another player of the same level in quest greens. Too bad that guy is an alt of a level 85 arena champion, huh?
Yiou think player skill doesn't matter. The reason you think it doesn't matter is because you don't know any better. EVE PVP is not about clicking "orbit at X" and F1 until those white bars turn red - a LOT of skill goes into your approach, and manual pilotting, but even more skill goes into picking your fights! Paradoxical Honour (blog) |
arktyus
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:43:00 -
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Phoenix Einherjar wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:if that what pvp is like then I'm not doing it. I'm not willing to risk my hard earned ISK on nothing but dead ships and blown up pods. That isn't fun. when I log off I want to see my wallet with a large value that when I logged on or atleast a new ship in my hanger. Sorry but that is the way I work. Hooooooly crap. OK. Where do I start. I suggest you cancel your subscription now, because with this mentality you will NOT enjoy EVE. You've already proven to be unreasonably resistant to changing your viewpoint so one can only assume you are an entitled 12 year old. Nonetheless! I shall attempt to do what others have already tried, and explain WHY YOU ARE WRONG. PVP IS NOT A PROFITABLE ACTIVITY Ok, it can be, but only as part of a fleet/gang and only some of the time. If you are good at PvP (and no newbie is) then you might make a profit from someone's bounty, or get a shiny drop, but if you are flying solo, then chances are you will get wiped out by a gang and end your day with less money in your wallet than when you started. Think of it this way: If you undock it, you've lost it. Any profit you make or if you get to dock that ship again is just icing on the cake. Paul Otichoda wrote:And your right this is the first mmo (I've never eactually played WOW) that has really grabbed me into signing up. The only 1 that I really stuck at was STOR as f2p for about 2 months and I sucked at pvp there too. But atleast there it felt like player skill was partly the reason (damn action keys users) but here its feels like the very mechanics are disadvantaging me. And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life. You seem to love WoW comparisons despite not having ever played WoW, OR seemingly even having a grasp on PVP in other MMOs. Here's some analogies for you though:
- You went to low-sec looking for a fight = You left the starting area as a level 5, and went to a level 60+ area
- You flew a Meta0, T1 frigate into lowsec = You are a level 5, in white/green items, going into an area with level 60's in epics
- You complained when you couldn't fight solo = You complained when you tried to run up the side of a battleground and found 5 players defending their flag
- You have no experiance in PvP, and got killed by players more skilled than you = You're in quest greens, and decided to dual another player of the same level in quest greens. Too bad that guy is an alt of a level 85 arena champion, huh?
Yiou think player skill doesn't matter. The reason you think it doesn't matter is because you don't know any better. EVE PVP is not about clicking "orbit at X" and F1 until those white bars turn red - a LOT of skill goes into your approach, and manual pilotting, but even more skill goes into picking your fights!
I like this comparison, pretty spot on. I will say that sp does matter, but as others stated once you have the essential skills, then I comes down to player skill. One big one is over heating mods. Made a huge difference once I trained it.
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lollerwaffle
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
69
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:02:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:And yes I do like to blame everything else but me, its how I keep going in life. Troll confirmed.
Stop wasting your time guys
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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:45:00 -
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arktyus wrote:Question on rockets or faction ammo in general. Why in the world is it so expensive on the market? Saw rockets going to over 1,000 isk a rocket in ren. That is insane! I buy my ammo with LP and it doesn't seem too expensive, but on the market it's crazy.
I wish I could but my Corp operates from gallente space so I can't uses LP to get navy faction missiles.
Also the reason I'm trying to pvp is pve just gets boring after a while. Commissioning and mining is just not enough so I go to lowsec to find a good fight but all I find is instant death death which just get me down. Yet people keep saying eve is a pvp game and on eve kill I keep seeing people killing hundreds of ships and massive battles yet I can't get into it. Overall I feel like I'm just a bystander while everyone else is superman. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
510
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:58:00 -
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Then stop pvping by yourself, hundreds of ships in a battle FUNNILY ENOUGH involves more than 1 person. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:01:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Then stop pvping by yourself, hundreds of ships in a battle FUNNILY ENOUGH involves more than 1 person.
yeah and there is no random player attack fleets in this game as far as I know?
My corp is industiral and small, I like them and so don't want to leave them.
Have make a mimmitar alt with the idea of using him for RvB but I've fun into the twin character training issue ( I don't have the ISK for plex) |
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