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Wolf Kraft
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:12:00 -
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Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but is the description for the vagabond going to be changed with the patch? Just wondering because this is part of the current description.
Quote:The fastest cruiser invented to date, this vessel is ideal for hit-and-run ops where both speed and firepower are required. Its on-board power core may not be strong enough to handle some of the larger weapons out there, but when it comes to guerilla work, the Vagabond can't be beat.
After this change the vagabond going to be slower than a stabber... |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4154
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:20:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Sacrilege Role Bonus: Immune to Stasis Webbifiers Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Zealot Role Bonus: Immune to Target Painters Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Cerberus Role Bonus: Immune to Remote Sensor Dampeners Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Eagle Role Bonus: Immune to Warp Scramblers (this does NOT include warp disruptors) Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Deimos Role Bonus: Immune to ECM Jammers Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Ishtar Role Bonus: Immune to ECM Jammers Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Muninn Role Bonus: Immune to Tracking Disruptors Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Vagabond Role Bonus: Immune to Energy Neutralizer and Nosfuratu Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Lower the build cost so they don't cost any more than 100m ISK. Now each race has a HAC for guerrilla style hit and run tactics and a HAC that excels at fighting outnumber without overpowering solo and small gang warfare. Keep in mind the MJD and TSB do have penalties while being used. The above would be overpowered.... Free MJD's fit to the mids, that don't even require cap to activiate? And to top it off: Eagles that can MWD with impunity, and can MJD out of any situation, because they are immune to scrams? Part of your ideas are kind of interesting... but they are also overpowered! Eagle does NOT have MJD bonus. . |
elitatwo
Congregatio
99
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:35:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote: Eagle does NOT have ANY bonus.
There you got.
Don't take it the wrong way, I do make mistakes all the time.
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DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:07:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Sacrilege Role Bonus: Immune to Stasis Webbifiers Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Zealot Role Bonus: Immune to Target Painters Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Cerberus Role Bonus: Immune to Remote Sensor Dampeners Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Eagle Role Bonus: Immune to Warp Scramblers (this does NOT include warp disruptors) Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Deimos Role Bonus: Immune to ECM Jammers Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Ishtar Role Bonus: Immune to ECM Jammers Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Muninn Role Bonus: Immune to Tracking Disruptors Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Vagabond Role Bonus: Immune to Energy Neutralizer and Nosfuratu Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Lower the build cost so they don't cost any more than 100m ISK. Now each race has a HAC for guerrilla style hit and run tactics and a HAC that excels at fighting outnumber without overpowering solo and small gang warfare. Keep in mind the MJD and TSB do have penalties while being used.
Target lock breaker is only good for fleet fights. Almost useless for small gang warfare, where these ships will be (hopefully) widelly used.
Why are having Gallentean ships immunity to the same EW and the other for different kinds of EW ? TBH I sense here an attempt to favour some of the Hacs instead of others... |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4155
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:18:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Sacrilege Role Bonus: Immune to Stasis Webbifiers Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Zealot Role Bonus: Immune to Target Painters Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Cerberus Role Bonus: Immune to Remote Sensor Dampeners Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Eagle Role Bonus: Immune to Warp Scramblers (this does NOT include warp disruptors) Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Deimos Role Bonus: Immune to ECM Jammers Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Ishtar Role Bonus: Immune to ECM Jammers Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Muninn Role Bonus: Immune to Tracking Disruptors Can fit Target Spectrum Breaker and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Vagabond Role Bonus: Immune to Energy Neutralizer and Nosfuratu Can fit Micro Jump Drive and -100% to fitting and capacitor need
Lower the build cost so they don't cost any more than 100m ISK. Now each race has a HAC for guerrilla style hit and run tactics and a HAC that excels at fighting outnumber without overpowering solo and small gang warfare. Keep in mind the MJD and TSB do have penalties while being used. Target lock breaker is only good for fleet fights. Almost useless for small gang warfare, where these ships will be (hopefully) widelly used. Why are having Gallentean ships immunity to the same EW and the other for different kinds of EW ? TBH I sense here an attempt to favour some of the Hacs instead of others... AF gets a role bonus to MWD but that does not mean it HAS to fit one. While the bonus helps it in large scale fights, fitting an AB for small scale is common.
All of Caldaris EW bonuses focus on one type of EW, had it been two different ones you would have seen one on the Deimos and the other on the Ishtar. . |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
919
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:42:00 -
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In a world with AB bonuses HACs and the upcoming medium long range gun tracking nerf, we would have a ship that could fit in very nicely with the other ships we have in the game now.
The true AHAC would be able to use sig tanking and range to fight harder hitting and fast ships like battle cruisers and Tech 3 but, they would be more vulnerable to frigates and the new Destroyers. We could even see an increase in the use of the t2 e-war frigates that can take advantage of their poor tracking.
It would be a thrill for me to fly something like the AB HAC over my slow proteus but CCPs current plans do not make me excited to fly their new HAC.
Putting work in since 2010. |
Fewell
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:46:00 -
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With the Diemos' nos gone and a new mid, you pretty much have to fit a cap booster. When you fit a cap booster, you have no need whatsoever for a mwd cap bonus. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
919
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:54:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Brawler HAC should get bonus to fitting MJD...
Let's save a special MJD bonus for black ops and marauders. Putting work in since 2010. |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Pandorum Invictus
281
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:05:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:In a world with AB bonuses HACs and the upcoming medium long range gun tracking nerf, we would have a ship that could fit in very nicely with the other ships we have in the game now.
The true AHAC would be able to use sig tanking and range to fight harder hitting and fast ships like battle cruisers and Tech 3 but, they would be more vulnerable to frigates and the new Destroyers. We could even see an increase in the use of the t2 e-war frigates that can take advantage of their poor tracking.
It would be a thrill for me to fly something like the AB HAC over my slow proteus but CCPs current plans do not make me excited to fly their new HAC because I'm tired of all the rock, paper, scissor combat. this is exactly what i was thinking. a burner to help dictate range. they dont need extreme tanks if they have burner speed bonus. we dont even have to make them faster based speed because they gain it and more back. over powered? not a chance in hell, but they could be their specialty...burners. good resists, great damage and +burner speed.
once caught, of course they would go down with the rest of them, but its REALLY hard to hit without web. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4155
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:07:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Brawler HAC should get bonus to fitting MJD... Let's save a special MJD bonus for black ops and marauders. They already can use them. . |
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
1364
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:21:00 -
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Marlona Sky, I can appreciate where you are coming from trying to give the MJD and TSB a unique role that makes them usable in more than a couple situations, but I don't think this is the right area. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4155
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:23:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Marlona Sky, I can appreciate where you are coming from trying to give the MJD and TSB a unique role that makes them usable in more than a couple situations, but I don't think this is the right area. Why not? . |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
919
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:32:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Brawler HAC should get bonus to fitting MJD... Let's save a special MJD bonus for black ops and marauders. They already can use them.
Yeah but currently they get the same reactivation delay as a T1 BS using a MJD... Think about it... Putting work in since 2010. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1170
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Posted - 2013.07.27 01:06:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Brawler HAC should get bonus to fitting MJD... Let's save a special MJD bonus for black ops and marauders. They already can use them. Yeah but currently they get the same reactivation delay as a T1 BS using a MJD... Think about it...
i say blops should bet role bonus to use mjd while cloaked There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Pandorum Invictus
282
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Posted - 2013.07.27 02:11:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Brawler HAC should get bonus to fitting MJD... Let's save a special MJD bonus for black ops and marauders. They already can use them. difference between "being able to use" them and gaining bonuses "for their use". an mjd bonus on a marauder is an awesome idea. we discussed it several times. but thats for the marauder page.
altho the idea was kewl, i agree i dont think its the way to go for hacs.
recon get nasty ewar. some loose a little ewar for covert and cyno bonuses. (40k points and webs, huge neut range) hics gain nasty tank and big bubble efects. 20k+ bubble logi gain extreme rep range plus some tank (75k+ rep/cap, tracking)
hacs need some tank/mobility but shyt loads of dps. they need to dish it out. fast striking, hard hitting then call in the clean up crew.
dont worry about power creep. we are setting the standard right now. you cant have nasty t2 bonuses on all BUT hacs, there deffinately needs a step up for t2. the training time and price justifies it. i dont care money, its a t2. but it needs balls dewd. no more wussy t2. from now on, t2 rawk (in their specialty).
and hacs specialize in dps on smaller ships. bc and below.. |
Vayn Baxtor
Ultra High Ping Crew Tribal Band
70
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Posted - 2013.07.27 04:37:00 -
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Now I'm starting to think that the kiting philosophy of Vaga and other HACs of that fashion are actually more of a "Combat Recon" mentality... minus the ewar stuff. Which is quite "duh" Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
919
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Posted - 2013.07.27 09:53:00 -
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Mole Guy wrote: hacs need some tank/mobility but shyt loads of dps. they need to dish it out. fast striking, hard hitting then call in the clean up crew.
Other than the fact the ships are called "heavy assault", I see no reason why HACs should have very high dps. It's enough for their dps to be somewhere in between T1 cruisers and Battle cruisers IMO. Putting work in since 2010. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1034
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:03:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:i say blops should bet role bonus to use mjd while cloaked
Would rather like to see them use cover ops cloak because using MJD while cloak gives them an amazing ability, I'm all for it
So we're not getting V2 HAC revamp before next week? *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:12:00 -
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Vayn Baxtor wrote:Now I'm starting to think that the kiting philosophy of Vaga and other HACs of that fashion are actually more of a "Combat Recon" mentality... minus the ewar stuff. Which is quite "duh"
Use a loki, is a better muninn with higher speed, smaller sig, improved tank, more agility ad a longrangeweb. And 20% more alpha. I only correct my own spelling. |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project Surely You're Joking
203
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:33:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Vayn Baxtor wrote:Now I'm starting to think that the kiting philosophy of Vaga and other HACs of that fashion are actually more of a "Combat Recon" mentality... minus the ewar stuff. Which is quite "duh" Use a loki, is a better muninn with higher speed, smaller sig, improved tank, more agility ad a longrangeweb. And 20% more alpha.
It also costs 3-4x as much (anyone not flying faction webs on a Loki should quit EVE immediately). How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
9054
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Posted - 2013.07.27 12:41:00 -
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Confirming this thread no longer regards HACs. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
David Kir
Tailender
59
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Posted - 2013.07.27 13:45:00 -
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Give HACs bubble immunity. That's it. You now have a medium dps/tank/mobility ship that's also a great nullsec roaming platform. |
columbo miner
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:44:00 -
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Ishtar
Hi,
I use a Navy Vexor for select moments of PvP I was expecting to "upgrade" to the Ishtar but with the initial proposed changes the Navy Vexor will still be better imo.
I agree with several suggestions here on the Ishtar regarding the changes, the must for me is it needs that additional low slot even if it means losing a mid for balance or changes to high.
The only role i see for the Ishtar with the current changes is as sniper with sentries but that then questions the turret/high slot changes.
Trying to make a close or mid range Ishtar with the current fitting restrictions is difficult, maybe i'm not to supposed to but then why the turret changes without the fitting/bonuses, i.e optimal, to put something useful in them.
Point 1. The HAC bonuses need to be addressed IMO although i can understand the range control bonus if the role is sniper. Point 2. Additional low slot especially if the role is close/mid range. Point 3. PWG/CPU increase. Point 4. Decide on how you are expecting pilots to fit this then give bonuses and make changes to suit the optimal playing style. If it is sniper then the turret high slots need looking at and maybe a relevant bonus, if its mid range then points 1,2,3.
These points seem to have been raised in part already but i felt i needed to put my 2pence in. Rather than whine after without making a contribution.
Thanks, Boz. aka Bozzith, Columbo Miner.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
744
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:52:00 -
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David Kir wrote:Give HACs bubble immunity. That's it. You now have a medium dps/tank/mobility ship that's also a great nullsec roaming platform. Good plan if one's aim is to make them primarily a null vehicle .. the MWD sig thing is bad enough, borderline discrimination of "everything not null" even .. any bubble related bonus and lowsec/highsec has enough to sue! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1171
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:55:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:MeBiatch wrote:i say blops should bet role bonus to use mjd while cloaked Would rather like to see them use cover ops cloak because using MJD while cloak gives them an amazing ability, I'm all for it So we're not getting V2 HAC revamp before next week?
nope... we are not... hopefully tuesday... ccp never starts anything new on a monday. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Perihelion Olenard
174
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:04:00 -
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Enough with the MJD on HACs. There are much better role bonuses. Frankly, I think the MJD is overrated.
Also, some of these HACs still seem to be lacking EHP-wise. I wear my sunglasses at night. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1171
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:21:00 -
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Perihelion Olenard wrote:Enough with the MJD on HACs. There are much better role bonuses. Frankly, I think the MJD is overrated.
Also, some of these HACs still seem to be lacking EHP-wise.
Indeed. Mwd scram immunity would be much more suited for hacs There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Chessur
Life of lively full life thx to shield battery
137
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:34:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Perihelion Olenard wrote:Enough with the MJD on HACs. There are much better role bonuses. Frankly, I think the MJD is overrated.
Also, some of these HACs still seem to be lacking EHP-wise. Indeed. Mwd scram immunity would be much more suited for hacs
If they had speed, with that role bonus- they would be OP as all hell. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1171
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:40:00 -
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Chessur wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Perihelion Olenard wrote:Enough with the MJD on HACs. There are much better role bonuses. Frankly, I think the MJD is overrated.
Also, some of these HACs still seem to be lacking EHP-wise. Indeed. Mwd scram immunity would be much more suited for hacs If they had speed, with that role bonus- they would be OP as all hell.
And worth the price... Remember hacs were at thier best before the great nano nerf. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
191
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:45:00 -
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I guess hoping T2's would at least be as viable as faction variants is too much to ask. These are nice changes, just a bit underwhelming. |
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