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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
496
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:35:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Doc Fury wrote: So how exactly is cloaking bad game design?
Read the thread. I'm sick of reiterating it.
You have yet to actually say anything, besides "I hate it so it should go away!"
Such puerile attempts at debate do not fly here.
Actually speak something of substance, and back up the nonsense you are slinging, or just concede the point and shut up for once. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
52
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:35:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote: You're missing the point. IF what you say is true, that you have pilots that will afk in your systems for months
You don't do your argument any favours by exaggerating what I'm saying for dramatic effect. Months? I said he'll probably be here a week or two. That's the MO. He could sit there for months in theory and in order to catch him we'd probably have to run an operation involving a dozen or more players (to counter the potential hot-drop) for that long to even have a *chance* of catching him. Meanwhile, he can pick and choose his moment. It's not just one player. Quite a few do it. It's kind-of a hobby for some people, whilst doing something else on their mains (i.e. not much effort involved on their part compared to that required by the defenders to do anything at all about it). He's not "playing" the game most of the time on that character. But we don't know for sure. That's how things go at the moment, and that's poor game design. I don't think if CCP were to create Eve 2, from scratch, they'd balance it out like this. Perhaps they won't change it because of the tears of the AFK cloakers/hot-droppers who want to irritate the locals in a risk-free way. Perhaps they will eventually change it when the tears from the other side get too much. That's how Eve has developed over time isn't it.
It's hardly risk free. Ev0ke did a great job keeping me from getting too lazy and I've lost some ships to them. I even built up good German/USA relations at the same time (not because I killed Orcas but because I chatted with them).
If you would put some effort into it like having a Sabre nearby or Baiting up your tank with a response team close at hand, you'd kill them. . |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3009
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:36:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Doc Fury wrote: So how exactly is cloaking bad game design?
Read the thread. I'm sick of reiterating it.
Then just link it for me please, I'm not seeing it, and others have asked for the same, but you don't seem to be able or willing to do it.
Surely you can link to your information if it exists? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:36:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote: You're missing the point. IF what you say is true, that you have pilots that will afk in your systems for months
You don't do your argument any favours by exaggerating what I'm saying for dramatic effect. Months? I said he'll probably be here a week or two. That's the MO.
Do you honestly think that weakens my argument any at all? He could be there for hours or days and the effect is still the same.
Quote: Meanwhile, he can pick and choose his moment. It's not just one player. Quite a few do it. It's kind-of a hobby for some people, whilst doing something else on their mains (i.e. not much effort involved on their part compared to that required by the defenders to do anything at all about it). He's not "playing" the game most of the time on that character. But we don't know for sure. That's how things go at the moment, and that's poor game design.
Does it help to know that in most every MMO that has a stealth class that there is no mechanic to decloak them other than stepping on them? Oh I forgot WoW Hunters can run around throwing flares out but honestly, I always laughed as I stalked them on my druid. I guess you could make some sort of depth charge mechanic but in the vastness of space where safes are commonly made phat chance of ever finding them.
Anyway, while this guy is playing on his other toon there is a very real possibility he has the same problem as you. Though I suspect he deals with it quite differently. Quit asserting that your fear of uncertainty means cloaking is a broken mechanic. Because not only are there things you can do to either bait him or escape them, it is really no different than a ship that jumps in system that is a fast interceptor, and can simply afk while burning up from a safe, or a player that jump cloned in station and is just sitting there. At any moment the situation can change based on that players initial move that will put you in a position of inescapable combat. So why not learn to deal with it by learning to be the wolf and not the sheep?
If you go punch the schoolyard bully often he thinks twice about picking on you. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
522
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:38:00 -
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Folks, it's a waste of time insisting in argumenting and explaining things to them. Nobody of them care, is not about mechanics working fine or broken, is not about balance, none of them give a ****. The tue reasons has been clearly stated:
Victoria Sin wrote: I would have thought my motives were clear. I want AFK cloaking gimped so that eventually the side "policing" the system can get a crack at finding him.
In their mind holding sovreignity means they rented some cluster on CCP server to admin as they please, like a web hosting, a private playground/PVE server they can open or lock with no effort. And where this minority can decide what players and what gamestyles are allowed and what is not. And this not due to their effort but simply becuase "we cry more and we'll continue cry"
Cloacking and hotdrops are the only elements out of this controls That's exactly why cloacking and hotdrops and any other "eversive" (against their reign of boredom) dynamic is a good thing for the general EVE gameplay. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Are all renters this awful at the game, with the same self victimization mindset as this, or are any of them any good?
I'm not a renter. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:42:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote: Then just link it for me please, I'm not seeing it, and others have asked for the same, but you don't seem to be able or willing to do it.
Bs.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3009
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:44:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Are all renters this awful at the game, with the same self victimization mindset as this, or are any of them any good? I'm not a renter.
Sure, but you didn't deny playing the victim.
How about a link to where you proved all of this is bad game design?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
176
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:44:00 -
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Guys! Guys! I figured out the problem!
Its not that AFK people are scary or hot drops are scarier, it that these people haven't figured out the difference between HS and Null yet! They want better reward than High for the same amount of risk! If they can't mine/rat/jackoffinacorner because they're afraid the boogeyman is gonna get them than OBVIOUSLY CCP messed up when they made the most dangerous space in the game!
It's so simple I'm surprised nobody pointed it out yet.
Also, I love you Jenn. This is beautiful.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
497
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:45:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Are all renters this awful at the game, with the same self victimization mindset as this, or are any of them any good? I'm not a renter.
You sure act like one. Like someone with a sense of entitlement to playing in their system, and a fit gets pitched the moment someone comes along to interfere with that.
Oh, and the cowardice. That too. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3009
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:45:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Then just link it for me please, I'm not seeing it, and others have asked for the same, but you don't seem to be able or willing to do it.
Bs.
I agree, your position is complete BS since you cannot prove or demonstrate any of this is bad game design.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Soko99
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:47:00 -
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Hiyora Akachi wrote:
Also, I love you Jenn. This is beautiful.
HUH? That ships is ugly as hell.. (the fits nice though) |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You sure act like one. Like someone with a sense of entitlement to playing in their system, and a fit gets pitched the moment someone comes along to interfere with that.
Oh, and the cowardice. That too.
Hmmmm. Let me think: I'm not giving a free kill out, so no, I'm not going to run content in a system containing reds. At the very least that will result in my being given a wedgie by the CEO and Alliance knobs.
I've also got a job, so I'm not sitting in a fleet for two weeks every evening and 23/7 at the weekend waiting. Also, no, I can't mine in a Typhoon, even with its lovely stabs. Finally, no, I can't be bothered with the BS that is AFK cloaking, so I changed system to one that isn't AFK cloaked. That is the most effective counter. If you're not in system, you can't be hot-dropped.
Solution:
(1) Make cloaks use fuel, or (2) Make sig slowly balloon until cloaker is scannable (over a few hours, reset by system jump)
Then, the effort we require to find the AFK cloaker and kill him might start to approach, marginally, the effort he requires to sit AFK cloaked while he mines Veld with his main in High Sec. It might even take us a few hours! That would be something.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:52:00 -
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A smart player avoids handing out free kills to his enemy.
A coward whines about having to do it in the first place. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:56:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A smart player avoids handing out free kills to his enemy.
A coward whines about having to do it in the first place.
How cowardly is sitting cloaked in a system, unscannable, until you decide it's safe enough for you to cyno in your BS on top of a group of macks?
Pretty cowardly, don't you think? |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
499
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:59:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote: I've also got a job,
Oh my god, so do I! We have so much in common! Lets hang out!
Quote:so I'm not sitting in a fleet for two weeks every evening and 23/7 at the weekend waiting.
So you want to play solo and have CCP protect you from people who play it like an MMO and not a single player space sim. Standing fleet is pretty much standard procedure unless you are capable of handling yourself. When you're logged in that means you're not at work, and you should be in fleet and on comms, socializing with your fellow pilots, or at least within earshot. You don't have to sit in fleet every evening or on the weekends because guess what? Whenever you aren;t logged in you don't need to be in the standing fleet! The only way I could see this being an issue is if you were trying to go to work while you mined...
Quote:Also, no, I can't mine in a Typhoon, even with its lovely stabs. Finally, no, I can't be bothered with the BS that is AFK cloaking, so I changed system to one that isn't AFK cloaked. That is the most effective counter. If you're not in system, you can't be hot-dropped.
So leaving the most profitable system rather than staying and calling his bluff or being ready if he's not bluffing. Brilliant.
Quote: Solution:
(1) Make cloaks use fuel, or (2) Make sig slowly balloon until cloaker is scannable (over a few hours, reset by system jump)
Then, the effort we require to find the AFK cloaker and kill him might start to approach, marginally, the effort he requires to sit AFK cloaked while he mines Veld with his main in High Sec. It might even take us a few hours! That would be something.
Again, they are just going to send in a bunch of cheapies with the occasional shark. They will catch you off guard, your ships will continue to die, and you will continue to live in fear and stay doekced or run away to another system until you learn to deal with them the same way you can deal with them right now.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3010
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:00:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote: Solution:
(1) Make cloaks use fuel, or (2) Make sig slowly balloon until cloaker is scannable (over a few hours, reset by system jump)
Then, the effort we require to find the AFK cloaker and kill him might start to approach, marginally, the effort he requires to sit AFK cloaked while he mines Veld with his main in High Sec. It might even take us a few hours! That would be something.
Solution to what problem exactly? Why should CCP change something because you are simply afraid you might lose a ship?
Where exactly can you demonstrate cloaking is a bad game design?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:06:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A smart player avoids handing out free kills to his enemy.
A coward whines about having to do it in the first place. How cowardly is sitting cloaked in a system, unscannable, until you decide it's safe enough for you to cyno in your BS on top of a group of macks? Pretty cowardly, don't you think?
No. He's putting in effort to hunt you, and staying logged in. That's patience.
The guy who whines about having to avoid the cloaked guy, or the guy who just doesn't undock if there are non-blues in local? The guy who would rather not have to, you know, play the game as though other people exist?
That guy is a coward. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Manfred Hideous
TOHOKU 9.0
52
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:07:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Oh my god, so do I! We have so much in common! Lets hang out! Quote:so I'm not sitting in a fleet for two weeks every evening and 23/7 at the weekend waiting. So you want to play solo and have CCP protect you from people who play it like an MMO and not a single player space sim. Standing fleet is pretty much standard procedure unless you are capable of handling yourself. When you're logged in that means you're not at work, and you should be in fleet and on comms, socializing with your fellow pilots, or at least within earshot. You don't have to sit in fleet every evening or on the weekends because guess what? Whenever you aren;t logged in you don't need to be in the standing fleet! The only way I could see this being an issue is if you were trying to go to work while you mined... Quote:Also, no, I can't mine in a Typhoon, even with its lovely stabs. Finally, no, I can't be bothered with the BS that is AFK cloaking, so I changed system to one that isn't AFK cloaked. That is the most effective counter. If you're not in system, you can't be hot-dropped.
So leaving the most profitable system rather than staying and calling his bluff or being ready if he's not bluffing. Brilliant. Quote: Solution:
(1) Make cloaks use fuel, or (2) Make sig slowly balloon until cloaker is scannable (over a few hours, reset by system jump)
Then, the effort we require to find the AFK cloaker and kill him might start to approach, marginally, the effort he requires to sit AFK cloaked while he mines Veld with his main in High Sec. It might even take us a few hours! That would be something.
Again, they are just going to send in a bunch of cheapies with the occasional shark. They will catch you off guard, your ships will continue to die, and you will continue to live in fear and stay doekced or run away to another system until you learn to deal with them the same way you can deal with them right now.
You forgot your last option: Go back to Wo, err Highsec.
Quote:No. He's putting in effort to hunt you, and staying logged in. That's patience.
Indeed. I had a contract to destroy the industry index of a system. It took me a number of weeks to drive it back to zero and keep it there. It does take more work than people think.
Not much more, though. :) |
Mekkimaru
Abraxsys Get Off My Lawn
2
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:07:00 -
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ITT:
"I'm too afraid to undock/too lazy to learn how to avoid obvious troll cyno alts"
vs.
"I want to get kills with minimal work, don't change cloaky mechanic nothing is wrong, promise"
and im just here fapping |
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:08:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote: So you want to play solo
I don't play solo. I'm mostly either running mining fleet (at POS) or scout for FC.
Kijo Rikki wrote: So leaving the most profitable system rather than staying and calling his bluff or being ready if he's not bluffing. Brilliant.
I'm not hanging my stuff out to get shot, no. If you do, great that Eve has insurance.
Kijo Rikki wrote: Again, they are just going to send in a bunch of cheapies with the occasional shark. They will catch you off guard, your ships will continue to die
My ships haven't died because I don't operate in systems containing reds. No, they aren't sending cheapies. As I explained to you before but you have already forgotten due to something CCP are beaming into brains from the forums, it's most often force recon or T3. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:19:00 -
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Quote:Indeed. I had a contract to destroy the industry index of a system. It took me a number of weeks to drive it back to zero and keep it there. It does take more work than people think.
Not much more, though. :)
Mine was to sit on grid about 100+km above the station (no one ever looks there) and provide war intel. It was hilarious.
Quote:My ships haven't died because I don't operate in systems containing reds. No, they aren't sending cheapies. As I explained to you before but you have already forgotten due to something CCP are beaming into brains from the forums, it's most often force recon or T3.
By the way, I call bullshit on this.
If they're cloaked (as you mentioned before they are cloaked 23/7), how in the 7 layers of hell do you know what they're flying with even the slightest degree of certainty?
So, if you don't operate in systems containing reds, and you've already said you have never lost a ship to one, you have never engaged them, thus, you cannot tell what they fly.
If they actually are afk cloaking all day long, then you cannot tell what they fly.
Basically, you're a liar, along with being a coward.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
499
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:23:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote: My ships haven't died because I don't operate in systems containing reds. No, they aren't sending cheapies. As I explained to you before but you have already forgotten due to something CCP are beaming into brains from the forums, it's most often force recon or T3.
Holy crap you are hard headed. I said they will send cheapies IF THEY CHANGE THE SYSTEM THE WAY YOU WANT IT. I in no way implied that they sent cheapies to you now, I was merely explaining exactly how adaptable players are going to circumvent your little "solution".
Comprende? |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[ So, if you don't operate in systems containing reds, and you've already said you have never lost a ship to one, you have never engaged them, thus, you cannot tell what they fly.
You're apparently unaware of the existence of the Killboard. This is worrying. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:30:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Victoria Sin wrote: My ships haven't died because I don't operate in systems containing reds. No, they aren't sending cheapies. As I explained to you before but you have already forgotten due to something CCP are beaming into brains from the forums, it's most often force recon or T3.
Holy crap you are hard headed. I said they will send cheapies IF THEY CHANGE THE SYSTEM THE WAY YOU WANT IT. I in no way implied that they sent cheapies to you now, I was merely explaining exactly how adaptable players are going to circumvent your little "solution". Comprende?
I do now, yes. You weren't clear originally. I don't care if they send cheap ships or expensive ships, at least we will then have an opportunity to kill them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
498
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:35:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[ So, if you don't operate in systems containing reds, and you've already said you have never lost a ship to one, you have never engaged them, thus, you cannot tell what they fly.
You're apparently unaware of the existence of the Killboard. This is worrying.
And you're apparently unaware that an unarmed cyno alt in a Imicus or whatever, doesn't get on killmails. Yeesh, do you actually play EVE?
Or are you literally basing this entire whine off your interpretation of killboards? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
499
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:40:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:Victoria Sin wrote: My ships haven't died because I don't operate in systems containing reds. No, they aren't sending cheapies. As I explained to you before but you have already forgotten due to something CCP are beaming into brains from the forums, it's most often force recon or T3.
Holy crap you are hard headed. I said they will send cheapies IF THEY CHANGE THE SYSTEM THE WAY YOU WANT IT. I in no way implied that they sent cheapies to you now, I was merely explaining exactly how adaptable players are going to circumvent your little "solution". Comprende? I do now, yes. You weren't clear originally. I don't care if they send cheap ships or expensive ships, at least we will then have an opportunity to kill them.
Eh, I don't think you'd feel that way once the full impact of how the new meta will be played. The way I see it, you''ll trade a handful of cheap barebones fitted ships and lose bling laden ratting ships and hulks to the unexpected rapier surprise in return. In time, a red in local will carry the same weight it always has, striking fear in the local population and stunting its economy. I know this because for a cap kill, there is no limit to how many t2 interdictors will be thrown to hold the cap pilot down. There is no limit to how many catalyst and tornados will be thrown at a high sec miner to gank him (other than what is required to alpha him down).
In short, afk cloaking will not be stopped, it will just mutate into a scarier form, because as I've said, you'll now be faced with increased traffic as they bring in replacements and with it the window to deductively reason that someone is actually afk becomes shorter and harder to make a judgement call, the uncertainty factor grows exponentially....and for the ship that remains cloaked, there is no longer a reasonable chance he is afk, it is now a certainty he is actively playing, he is an active threat. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:45:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[ So, if you don't operate in systems containing reds, and you've already said you have never lost a ship to one, you have never engaged them, thus, you cannot tell what they fly.
You're apparently unaware of the existence of the Killboard. This is worrying. And you're apparently unaware that an unarmed cyno alt in a Imicus or whatever, doesn't get on killmails. Yeesh, do you actually play EVE? Or are you literally basing this entire whine off your interpretation of killboards?
You can't read? I know what the AFK cloakers here fly because they ARE on killboards, with their force recons and T3s. What is your problem? I don't think I ever said anything about a cyno alt Imicus. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:53:00 -
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In any case part of the game has already been given away:
Quote:"Indeed. I had a contract to destroy the industry index of a system. It took me a number of weeks to drive it back to zero and keep it there. It does take more work than people think.
Not much more, though. :)"
Did I say it's poor game design? That you can do this, relatively risk free? Who would contradict me. Guess what. It works. This is the game mechanic that must be protected at all costs by those arguing in favour in this thread.
Brilliant. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
499
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:56:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:In any case part of the game has already been given away: Quote:"Indeed. I had a contract to destroy the industry index of a system. It took me a number of weeks to drive it back to zero and keep it there. It does take more work than people think.
Not much more, though. :)" Did I say it's poor game design? That you can do this, relatively risk free? Who would contradict me. Guess what. It works. This is the game mechanic that must be protected at all costs by those arguing in favour in this thread. Brilliant.
I'll contradict you.
Seriously, its bad player attitude and mindset. It'n not the games fault you let them shut down all production in system, it is yours. |
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