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Faux Leon
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:45:00 -
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Hello everyone and thank you ahead of time for reading this and writing comments should you do such.
I'm here again today because well, I'm horrible at PvP. Yes, I'm utterly pathetic at PvP. So bad as a matter of fact I've considered quiting EVE over the fact. I have battleships, cruisers, battlecruisers and an army of drones at my disposal. I did anyway until yesterday. All in all I suppose it was just a huge noob mistake trying to take on a Claw and three other ships before the enemy battleship finally arrived. The point is, how can I have all this weaponry and its so useless against everyone I try to fight. I have issues even fighting one on one. I either miss or hit and do almost no damage. Not to mention theres no way out of a Web or a Scrambler that I'm aware of now. Everything seems to be able to get too close to hit too fast and I love using lasers, sadly it looks like a waste of time because the range on them is so large if anything is within 30km of me I can't hit it at all.
So, is there a way to multi tank effectively? How do I prevent enemies from getting so close and if they do get that close how can I just stomp them realtively fast? I'm at a loss, it makes me look bad and 5 deaths later I doubt any corps, even the Brave Noobs would take me now. Please help. "He who sacrafices freedom for security deserves neither." |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
16
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:13:00 -
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because this game is built to advantage the 6 year old character over everyone else. As far as I can tell its impossible for a new character to have any chance at pvp because everyone else is just so much better than us. Or in other words Tech 2 weapons will beat anything so don't even try.
But also you can't really multi tank in this game, its either shields or armour is your main defence, since your Amarr its armour. For range the best way is afterburners and the like but face it the other guy will probadly have a MWD and be faster than you. The only way to get out of webs and scramblers is to get out of their range, but if the enemy is coming towards you that really isn't an option. Also try to improve your tracking skills to improve your hit rate. But also laser require different crystals that are effective at different ranges so you'll need to look up on them.
Bottom line is EVE is about character skills and everyone else has better ones. |
arktyus
Turalyon Plus
2
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:21:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:because this game is built to advantage the 6 year old character over everyone else. As far as I can tell its impossible for a new character to have any chance at pvp because everyone else is just so much better than us. Or in other words Tech 2 weapons will beat anything so don't even try.
But also you can't really multi tank in this game, its either shields or armour is your main defence, since your Amarr its armour. For range the best way is afterburners and the like but face it the other guy will probadly have a MWD and be faster than you. The only way to get out of webs and scramblers is to get out of their range, but if the enemy is coming towards you that really isn't an option. Also try to improve your tracking skills to improve your hit rate. But also laser require different crystals that are effective at different ranges so you'll need to look up on them.
Bottom line is EVE is about character skills and everyone else has better ones.
Doesn't it only take 5 days to train t2 weapons on a frigate? You will never get those t2 weapons ! Way too long to train...... |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
292
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:26:00 -
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^^ dont listen to Paul.. Eve isnt about character skill it is about understanding mechanics and friends.
It is important to start hy flying cheap stuff and learn basic mechanics. Do not play high sec station games, those are rigged for you to lose.
If you wish to solo right away you need to start doing ti by flying executioners etc. Dont be afraid to lose 30 before getting a kill. It is easier to join a corp that can teach you the ropes regarding frigs. Friends are important in eve and you need to count on your opponent having them. A BS isn't meant to solo a frig! The frig alone will take half an hour to kill you, but he is comfortable since you must likely cant kill him anyway! I am terrible at buttonpushing but if you look at my kb I might seem a halfway decent PVPer... eve online is like real life, just like in RL where a rocket launcher isn't your best bet for killing the guy next to you on the bouncy castle... bigger isnt better in eve. You just need to learn. This takes experience and friends. |
Karak Bol
Crepuscular
93
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:30:00 -
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Ok, and easy plan for learning pvp:
1. Buy a dozen or so T1 frigates with cheap Meta fits. Should cost no more than 2 mil per frigate. 2. Enter lowsec (preferably near Hek, many frigate pilots there) 3. Find a fight (learn to use D-Scan) 4. Probably lose ship/pod because of lack of -player- skills 5. ask winner if he can give you a hint (He probably will, many PvPler love to teach new guys because that means more people to pvp with) 6. rinse and repeat.
... 7. Find yourself a nice lowsec PvP corp for your PvP alt. Staying in NPC corp is a sure fire way to quit eve.
You fell into the trap that bigger means better. (seeing you used BS) BS are great at killing BC but completely fail vs. cruiser and many frigates. If you need more hints, shot me an evemail, I will invite you to may trainee channel.
PS: The brave newbies will take you anyway. 5 losses are nothing. |
Faux Leon
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:32:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:^^ dont listen to Paul.. Eve isnt about character skill it is about understanding mechanics and friends.
It is important to start hy flying cheap stuff and learn basic mechanics. Do not play high sec station games, those are rigged for you to lose.
If you wish to solo right away you need to start doing ti by flying executioners etc. Dont be afraid to lose 30 before getting a kill. It is easier to join a corp that can teach you the ropes regarding frigs. Friends are important in eve and you need to count on your opponent having them. A BS isn't meant to solo a frig! The frig alone will take half an hour to kill you, but he is comfortable since you must likely cant kill him anyway! I am terrible at buttonpushing but if you look at my kb I might seem a halfway decent PVPer... eve online is like real life, just like in RL where a rocket launcher isn't your best bet for killing the guy next to you on the bouncy castle... bigger isnt better in eve. You just need to learn. This takes experience and friends.
Yeah, but how am I even suppose to get in a corp to learn now? Have you seen my killboard, empty with lots of money lost. "He who sacrafices freedom for security deserves neither." |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
292
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:44:00 -
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Faux Leon wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:^^ dont listen to Paul.. Eve isnt about character skill it is about understanding mechanics and friends.
It is important tosometime hy flying cheap stuff and learn basic mechanics. Do not play high sec station games, those are rigged for you to lose.
If you wish to solo right away you need to start doing ti by flying executioners etc. Dont be afraid to lose 30 before getting a kill. It is easier to join a corp that can teach you the ropes regarding frigs. Friends are important in eve and you need to count on your opponent having them. A BS isn't meant to solo a frig! The frig alone will take half an hour to kill you, but he is comfortable since you must likely cant kill him anyway! I am terrible at buttonpushing but if you look at my kb I might seem a halfway decent PVPer... eve online is like real life, just like in RL where a rocket launcher isn't your best bet for killing the guy next to you on the bouncy castle... bigger isnt better in eve. You just need to learn. This takes experience and friends. Yeah, but how am I even suppose to get in a corp to learn now? Have you seen my killboard, empty with lots of money lost. You'll find that very few corps actually care about that. EVE is about people, what happened to you is in no way exceptional. Feel free to apply to my corp in game sometime soon. Which is a small gang EUTZ fw corp like many others, who would have little qualms taking in newbies. If you are willing to learn, which can be done at 3m per executioner. The first month yoh take each fight, lose a lot and learn what to stay clear of. Before long with help you'll be getting kills, just takes getting out and trying and dying. |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
79
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:04:00 -
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Another thing to consider is doing some serious personal skill training. Not character skills but your own. Keep in mind, as a general rule of thumb, the smaller the hull(s) and fewer combatants the more technical the fight will be. If you're doing a set piece fleet engagement in deep tidi there is little thought for the grunt. Counter to that the solo frig pilot can engage a few people at once and above its weight, but the pilot needs to be good at a number of unique skills.
Generally speaking a plan of find more friends will usually pay off. But if it must be done "lone wolf" style then the onus is on that person to find what those skills (manual flight, weapon recognition, etc) are. And then master them.
The resources are out there. Google and YouTube are especially your friends. There exist any number of training bodies and they are there to help you.
Just don't forget that if you aren't having fun go do something else. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
510
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:03:00 -
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Faux Leon wrote:Yeah, but how am I even suppose to get in a corp to learn now? Have you seen my killboard, empty with lots of money lost.
well yeah a corp might look at that and think you're a massive idiot for flying pirate and faction ships as a newb :p
but then again it shows your WILLINGNESS to pvp and that's mostly what people look for when recruiting.
However, might I suggest leaving out the shitfit drramiels and battleships and trying something more suited to your skill level? Maybe start with t1 cruisers and the like, they are very strong ships since the rework. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome A T O N E M E N T
482
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:23:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: I am either stupid Or A massive troll.
You decide.
I think both.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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Faux Leon
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:49:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Faux Leon wrote:Yeah, but how am I even suppose to get in a corp to learn now? Have you seen my killboard, empty with lots of money lost. well yeah a corp might look at that and think you're a massive idiot for flying pirate and faction ships as a newb :p but then again it shows your WILLINGNESS to pvp and that's mostly what people look for when recruiting. However, might I suggest leaving out the shitfit drramiels and battleships and trying something more suited to your skill level? Maybe start with t1 cruisers and the like, they are very strong ships since the rework.
Any suggestions on which ones? I know some have higher learning curbs than others as for builds...I guess armor taking and what not isn't exactly all its cracked up to be or am I just doing it wrong? "He who sacrafices freedom for security deserves neither." |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
512
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:53:00 -
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well you're just buying dramiels and fitting them horribly. Dramiels require some investment otherwise they're just 80m slashers, you see most with deadspace afterburners and faction points.
I don't know what kind of pvp you are doing: group, solo, duelling? From your killboard it seems like you're roaming null solo so I suggest finding a fast shield cruiser like a caracal. |
Faux Leon
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:00:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:well you're just buying dramiels and fitting them horribly. Dramiels require some investment otherwise they're just 80m slashers, you see most with deadspace afterburners and faction points.
I don't know what kind of pvp you are doing: group, solo, duelling? From your killboard it seems like you're roaming null solo so I suggest finding a fast shield cruiser like a caracal.
Eh yeah usually solo null. Probably not the smartest idea. What about rack overload, I noticed that the other day on items while I was doing some looking around. What does that do exactly? "He who sacrafices freedom for security deserves neither." |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
513
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:04:00 -
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thermodynamics is pretty essential in pvp, you get 15%(variable) more out of any module that can be overheated and it's often then difference between killing or dying. This comes at a consequence of heat damage to your modules but it's usually worth it.
I might suggest that you join a corp for the moment since solo pvping is not really something a new player can do especially as you are lacking in both SP and game experience. |
ACHURA CALDARIAN
Under the Wings of Fury R O G U E
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:09:00 -
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There is no set of skills or win-all fit/ship that can give you a solution to not performing in PVP.
People who are good at PVP know how to exploit weaknesses in their opponent and know when the fight is lost before it's over by knowing their own strengths.
This comes with experience, it sounds like you may have had bad advice or role models in the past but its easy enough to unlearn. Try playing on the test server trying out fits and looking at ship strengths and weaknesses. Also look for a PVP corp to join to learn the ropes like Red vs Blue.
PVP is not always about winning either, take enjoyment in the thrill of it and when you lose learn why and put it in to practice next time, getting frustrated about it won't help.
You won't become good over night, there are a lot of game mechanics to learn and situations to face. And as EVE is always changing you need to keep on top of the trends and check patch notes for fit breaking changes.
TLDR; Fight more, moan less. |
Faux Leon
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 12:13:00 -
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Alright guys thanks. Guess its a time thing, I'll be sure to do some homework and get in a corp soon. "He who sacrafices freedom for security deserves neither." |
Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
35
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:57:00 -
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Someone previously mentioned Brave Newbies corporation.
I'm going to second this, we have a lot of fun blowing stuff up and getting blowed up.
Small gang and fleet PVP on the regular, and lots of opportunities to go out and solo pvp in our home system.
We have a lot of fun and welcome anyone willing to get exploded. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1491
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:04:00 -
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delete. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis Dragonaors
5
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:21:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:delete.
Is this some new Frog greeting? Delete to you too, kind sir. Many deletes to you all. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1491
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:31:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:X Gallentius wrote:delete. Is this some new Frog greeting? Delete to you too, kind sir. Many deletes to you all. Was going to post two solo kills of T2 fit faction navy frigs with meta- fit ships, but the kb links aren't working.
You can definitely get by without fitting up T2 nowadays. |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1146
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:38:00 -
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Faux Leon wrote:Hello everyone and thank you ahead of time for reading this and writing comments should you do such.
I'm here again today because well, I'm horrible at PvP. Yes, I'm utterly pathetic at PvP. So bad as a matter of fact I've considered quiting EVE over the fact. I have battleships, cruisers, battlecruisers and an army of drones at my disposal. I did anyway until yesterday. All in all I suppose it was just a huge noob mistake trying to take on a Claw and three other ships before the enemy battleship finally arrived. The point is, how can I have all this weaponry and its so useless against everyone I try to fight. I have issues even fighting one on one. I either miss or hit and do almost no damage. Not to mention theres no way out of a Web or a Scrambler that I'm aware of now. Everything seems to be able to get too close to hit too fast and I love using lasers, sadly it looks like a waste of time because the range on them is so large if anything is within 30km of me I can't hit it at all.
So, is there a way to multi tank effectively? How do I prevent enemies from getting so close and if they do get that close how can I just stomp them realtively fast? I'm at a loss, it makes me look bad and 5 deaths later I doubt any corps, even the Brave Noobs would take me now. Please help.
Looking at your losses you seem to be using PVE fits for pvp.
You're amarr it seems.. If you want to do pvp i would recommend using the tormentor > Coercer/dragoon/ > navy aug > Harbinger
Don't solo pvp in a battleship if you don't know what you're doing. Also stop trying to pvp in high sec.. Most of the guys fighting you will stack things so heavily in their favor that you don't have a chance no matter what you do. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
295
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:44:00 -
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Disregard everything I have said in this thread. I am useless too!
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Trinkets friend
T.R.I.A.D
1042
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Posted - 2013.07.20 04:26:00 -
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I like men. Indigently pwning indifferently. Some sucker buy me a Naglfar. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Andracin
Sickology
159
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Posted - 2013.07.20 05:01:00 -
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listen to Garviel Tarrant. Right now with low skills faction ships should not be something you pvp in until your skills match your isk. Unlike almost every other MMO on the market expensive/shiny does not equal win in EVE. It just means your going to loose more isk when you die. Buy some tormentors or executioners, join a fw corp or brave noobies where you can get some guidance on proper pvp fittings, using d-scan effectively, learn to use your tactical overview, ect. When you can consistantly pull off wins feel free to try some expensive ships. TBH I fly them just for the adrenaline dump of risking the isk. Since the t1 buffs there are many good t1 hulls that can match and in some cases beat some of the faction ships. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
613
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Posted - 2013.07.25 09:32:00 -
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One tip I give my new guys is to fit a fast frigate, and roam the customs offices once they detect a hauler is active in the system. Quite often these guys do PI and you can kill them solo when they make the rounds. With some luck and planning you can catch them after their pickup, netting you some potentially valuable goods. Sure, you are going to lose solo against that Black Rebel Rifter Club dude or that Faction Warfare guy. But that's why you need friends! You and another guy in a T1 fitted ship will beat the T2 solo-player. |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
215
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:08:00 -
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fly with friends and be sure to exploit every weakness. If you are fighting a group of baddies in a frigate, MWD to a warp off point to seperate the faster (weaker) ships aswell as having better tracking.
shove some NPC resists or random noobish stuff on your profile.
having a poor killboard is actually good, smarter people might see that you are a poor pilot and might underestimate you.
^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
108
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Posted - 2013.07.26 06:39:00 -
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You need a lot of experience.
PvP in eve it is not classical pvp, who win determines before battle. STATS determines who win and who lose. Knowledge about enemy STATS and enemy NUMBERS (health, speed, agility, health regen, shot range) can save you from losing your gear.
Try to FW farming, you learn how to smell how large hostile blob/camp.
Go to test server and lose thousands ships, this give you knowledge about combat mechanic.
And also pvp in 0.0 much easy than in losec/hisec, because of less number of OGB and another kinds of micro-transacted favors. |
Mr Morita
Calamitous-Intent
85
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:13:00 -
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You should join RVB or get in on FW. A lot of places will give you cheap frigates to go out and PVP in if you really want to do it.
Other than that, watch some of the videos that people make, and watch what they do, and try to dissect the fights to see how they fought that fight the way they did. It's better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep.
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DSpite Culhach
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
143
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Posted - 2013.07.27 13:00:00 -
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Just start a new topic in an appropriate section on the forums that makes a call to arms to all the people that are bad at PvP, and we can all start a new small corp and blow each other up in cheap frigs for a few month.
either:
* We all get better, or * we keep laughing so hard we don't actually even care.
Win-win ether way. I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
423
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:03:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:because this game is built to advantage the 6 year old character over everyone else. As far as I can tell its impossible for a new character to have any chance at pvp because everyone else is just so much better than us. Or in other words Tech 2 weapons will beat anything so don't even try.
But also you can't really multi tank in this game, its either shields or armour is your main defence, since your Amarr its armour. For range the best way is afterburners and the like but face it the other guy will probadly have a MWD and be faster than you. The only way to get out of webs and scramblers is to get out of their range, but if the enemy is coming towards you that really isn't an option. Also try to improve your tracking skills to improve your hit rate. But also laser require different crystals that are effective at different ranges so you'll need to look up on them.
Bottom line is EVE is about character skills and everyone else has better ones.
Oh he mad. |
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