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Menero Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:16:00 -
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I remember back in the Trinity expansion that there like a big overhaul in the game engine but that was back in 2007 and this is now 2013.... are there any big chances coming to the game engine or is this something that doesn't need improvement in the near future? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:18:00 -
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Define "changes".
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:23:00 -
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AS far as I know they are due to change the minimum requirements in one of the next expansions. Last time that happened it came with the graphics overhaul, so if I had to guess Id say they will start changing the engine then.
It's a shame though because it will just make it even more likely that you will drop to low FPS when in a massive fleet fight. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Menero Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Define "changes".
I referred to changes like what Trinity expansion meant for that era... graphic wise |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:31:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:Malcanis wrote:Define "changes". I referred to changes like what Trinity expansion meant for that era... graphic wise That would mean a move to DX11, which, while in the works, don't seem to really qualify as GÇ£in the near futureGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:31:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:Malcanis wrote:Define "changes". I referred to changes like what Trinity expansion meant for that era... graphic wise I don't think EVE really needs a graphic update, it still looks great, and must have looked crazy good when Trinity came out for the time. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:32:00 -
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Tessellation is a future option, that is, when ever 50% of the windows users stop using caveman OS software and upgrade. |
Alias Anonymous
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:45:00 -
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I personally love the graphics where there at, I have spent a lot on my rig for other games, eve looks great and I would rather that a greater number of people could access it to play then to have my eye balls blown out the back of my head, small incremental updates are key too make sure eve stay's looking good and keep a wide range of pc's/laptop's playing. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:56:00 -
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Many gamers have moved from desktops to laptops with integrated graphics, and of the desktop gamers a significant portion is still on decade+ old windows XP without support for DX10 or DX11.
Basically, laptop integrated graphics are the new baseline for hitting a mainstream market. I'd expect it will be 5+ years before we see a real move into the next gen from CCP.... after all V3 is moving at a snail's pace and won't be done for some time. In the meantime, they'll probably bolt on some tessellation to make headlines, but that won't make a massive visual impact. |
Ka'Narlist
Cronos Titan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:01:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Menero Orti wrote:Malcanis wrote:Define "changes". I referred to changes like what Trinity expansion meant for that era... graphic wise I don't think EVE really needs a graphic update, it still looks great, and must have looked crazy good when Trinity came out for the time. Maybe not in quality, but performance would be nice. So that you don't have to disable brakets in those ultra large fleet fights or something like that would be nice |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:17:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Many gamers have moved from desktops to laptops with integrated graphics, and of the desktop gamers a significant portion is still on decade+ old windows XP without support for DX10 or DX11. That doesn't particularly matter.
It's really the old GÇ£compliant vs. compatibleGÇ¥ problem all over again. Pretty much all graphics processors (even integrated ones) sold at this point are DX11 compatible. They're just not all compliant. So if everyone just had Win7, they could go ahead and start using DX11 API calls all they wanted. The only problem is that some hardware would respond to those calls with a standardized GÇ£no, I don't do that (in hardware at least)GÇ¥ so the renderer will either have to do some of its fancy processing in a different way, or just skip it altogether.
Many of the new and fancy things that DX11 would offer would have to be toggles anyway, since not everyone wants tesselation in a 2000-ship fight, and that same toggle would allow less capable hardware to keep running the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:36:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Many gamers have moved from desktops to laptops with integrated graphics, and of the desktop gamers a significant portion is still on decade+ old windows XP without support for DX10 or DX11.
Basically, laptop integrated graphics are the new baseline for hitting a mainstream market. I'd expect it will be 5+ years before we see a real move into the next gen from CCP.... after all V3 is moving at a snail's pace and won't be done for some time. In the meantime, they'll probably bolt on some tessellation to make headlines, but that won't make a massive visual impact.
LOL, LETS MAKES UP NUMBERS....
PLEASE, NEVER ENTER ANY TECHNICAL FIELD AS A CAREER
Here's real statistics: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey Only 7% of gamers are still on Windows XP. 53% are running Windows 7 64bit.
Also in counter of why you tards need to stop bragging about DX11 tesselation. Only 50% of gamers have DX11, 26% have DX10. DX10 is too statistically significant to ignore. |
Silivar Karkun
Imperium Aeternam Phantom Armada
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Posted - 2013.07.19 15:35:00 -
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my best graphics card is in this Win XP, (Nvidia Geforce 9600 or something like that, outdated but i can put full graphics), i have another PC with win 7 and the default graphics card, i hope i can keep playing with the first one...... |
Ekhss Nihilo
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:00:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Many gamers have moved from desktops to laptops with integrated graphics, and of the desktop gamers a significant portion is still on decade+ old windows XP without support for DX10 or DX11.
Basically, laptop integrated graphics are the new baseline for hitting a mainstream market. I'd expect it will be 5+ years before we see a real move into the next gen from CCP.... after all V3 is moving at a snail's pace and won't be done for some time. In the meantime, they'll probably bolt on some tessellation to make headlines, but that won't make a massive visual impact. DX 11 support comes pretty cheap these days. 1 GB 64 bit nvidia based cards are around $50 US. Splurge $100 US to get 2 GB 128 bit performance. At approx $170, you 256 bit wide memory.
I'm still running an MSI GTX 460 which, whilde dated, hasn't stumbled yet running EVE.
I'll grant you that laptop graphics at the low end aren't so hot., with shared memory GPU chipsets leading the pack in terms of suck. You just have to take a close look at the graphics specs before you buy. "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:02:00 -
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Silivar Karkun wrote:my best graphics card is in this Win XP, (Nvidia Geforce 9600 or something like that, outdated but i can put full graphics), i have another PC with win 7 and the default graphics card, i hope i can keep playing with the first one...... Just keep in mind that although the minimum or recommended specs are going up soon, that doesn't mean that any actual changes are coming down the pipe just yet that demand them. They are simply future proofing their minimum and recommended requirements for the next 10 years of development. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Lee Hekard
Photon Scorpions
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:04:00 -
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They should make DX11 a vanity item. |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:31:00 -
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Is this some stealth nerf to massive multi-accoun-botting and alt armies? WELP |
Menero Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:27:00 -
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People believe what they want... i personally appreciate the fact that they actually take time to update ships and stuff but from time to time we could use a menu overhaul and stuff |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:01:00 -
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They will go fully v3 soon, which is unrelated to a move to DX11.
They should have sticked to OpenGL, then we would have optional tesselation for years already ... |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:48:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:AS far as I know they are due to change the minimum requirements in one of the next expansions. Last time that happened it came with the graphics overhaul, so if I had to guess Id say they will start changing the engine then.
It's a shame though because it will just make it even more likely that you will drop to low FPS when in a massive fleet fight. better graphics do not always mean slower games.
fact is, with a major rework fo the games ENGINE, they could potentially manage higher loads FASTER, as for the lag on YOUR computer (read, not CCP's end, so not their problem), maybe you should stop running on ancient tech?
my computer was brand new 6 years ago, and even then i built the whole thing for 700 bucks. go on newegg or tiger-whatever, look for deals, you can get a VERY good computer VERY CHEAP, and if you dotn want to save up some extra cash to drop maybe 100 bucks (prolly less) per part once every 4-5 months, then maybe you should be devoting more time to RL finances than EVE.
just saying, their is no practical purpose for having a non-DX11 / windows XP computer in this day and age, get a windows 7 with a modern graphics card.
and in reference to waht i was quoting, lol cant believe i forgot to type this.
i have never experienced computer-side lag in EVE, even with 2 clients at MAX settings, in fleet fights against goons. the only time i experienced lag of any kind was due to a faulty beta-driver i accidentally installed from Nvidia that was causing computer crashes. |
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