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Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:55:00 -
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Are now going to be absolutely viable thanks to the early data from the SISI cache that has been posted. Small fleet warfare will never be the same again as they have been buffed in HP and the ROF penalty has been removed. Watch out Frigates. Your days are numbered. |
Russell Casey
One Ton
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:01:00 -
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That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too. |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:04:00 -
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but they still need at least 1 more midslot, there is just no point, either 1. you have an MWD and are able to keep up with the firgs, or 2. you have a scram and can keep them from warping.
1 they can warp 2 they can run away and warp
EDIT: the amarr one that is ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Russell Casey
One Ton
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:11:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:but they still need at least 1 more midslot, there is just no point, either 1. you have an MWD and are able to keep up with the firgs, or 2. you have a scram and can keep them from warping.
1 they can warp 2 they can run away and warp
EDIT: the amarr one that is
Yeah, if Destroyers are meant to be frig-killers they need to be built to capitalize on frigate's weaknesses (low cap, low hp, high reliance on speed). If CCP could make them faster with tackle/neut bonues Dessies would **** even faction frigs. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard Seventh Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:11:00 -
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the destroyer idea is to kill frigs if they attack not to catch them, if you give more midslots, nobody would fly frigs, if the coming changes are true Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:14:00 -
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Lharanai wrote:the destroyer idea is to kill frigs if they attack not to catch them, if you give more midslots, nobody would fly frigs, if the coming changes are true
If the numbers on the 1st pass changes stay anywhere near what is currently on the data dump, then we will be seeing destroyers a lot more often than now.
Hell, with the listed hybrid changes, even the Cormorant becomes deadly. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
143
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:22:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:but they still need at least 1 more midslot, there is just no point, either 1. you have an MWD and are able to keep up with the firgs, or 2. you have a scram and can keep them from warping.
1 they can warp 2 they can run away and warp
EDIT: the amarr one that is
negative!
you pork the role if you allow a frig stomping boat to tackle. no, you are a DPS boat.
you want small gang warfare you need more role specific ship classes to have fleet comps of some variety and not BC and DD fleets everywhere. its boring to sit there going down the list of canes and drakes for 5-10 minutes. mix it up a bit.
making the new FOTM isn't going to help
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Ardamalis
Vanguard Corp Bounty Hunters
14
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:24:00 -
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Don't forget the lower sig radius. That was perhaps, in my opinion, the biggest change they needed.
Catalyst: . . . . . 86 -> 65 Coercer: . . . . . 83 -> 62 Cormorant: . . . 90 -> 68 Thrasher: . . . . 75 -> 56 |
Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:24:00 -
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My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web? so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1 ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard Seventh Vanguard
24
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:30:00 -
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makes sense to me...frigs are fast attack ships they should have the ability to escape if the catch is to big Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
143
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:30:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web? so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1
in fleets, either the guy isn't running or if he is you have better targets to melt anyway. at any rate have a decent fleet comp that includes tackle so the ones that can't IE: you, can get in and deliver the deeps.
1v1, why would you even want to fight a new DD with a frig? unless...
solo, its just not a solo boat unless you want to gank indies The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:32:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:Wolfpacks of Thrashers Fixed.
The Caty still doesn't have Web room, the Coercer still has only 1 mid and the Cormie has to choose between a DC and a MFS. Basically avoid Destroyers that start with a C.
It's Thrashers all the way down.
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Lharanai
Empyrean Guard Seventh Vanguard
24
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:33:00 -
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noooooooooo Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:34:00 -
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Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard Seventh Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:34:00 -
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another ugly Minamatar scum boat Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard Seventh Vanguard
24
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:35:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you.
/signed Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
167
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:35:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Wolfpacks of Thrashers Fixed. The Caty still doesn't have Web room, the Coercer still has only 1 mid and the Cormie has to choose between a DC and a MFS. Basically avoid Destroyers that start with a C. It's Thrashers all the way down. As it was, so it shall be ... |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
132
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:38:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:My concern is that even frigs can fit at least 2 med modules, but a destroyer cant scramble or web? so basically you have to oneshot the frig or it will just run away, that makes no sense to mee, either in big, medium fleets ro 1on1 nvm that the destroyer will snipe the frig while it is still 60km out |
Anne Arqui
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Wolfpacks of Thrashers Fixed. Time to train my Destroyer skill up and take the dust off my Thrashers ..
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Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:41:00 -
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Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on |
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Jokerface666
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:55:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on
looks like the goons are going to evacute to HS ^^ ------------------------------w00t w00t rapetrain------------------------------ |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:55:00 -
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if destroyers are supposed to kill frigs they should be able to take on more then one of them... atm 2 rifters can kill a coercer no problem
dessies need long range and very high tracking with low damage and speed, this makes them worthless vs cruisers and can easily take on frigs |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:10:00 -
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Thrasher, currently:
destroyer skill: +10% tracking, +5% damage for small.
Role: 50% optimal range boost. -25% ROF (which is going away)
so, pretty much, they have that :) Though the optimal for projectiles tends to suck anyway
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:13:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:if destroyers are supposed to kill frigs they should be able to take on more then one of them... atm 2 rifters can kill a coercer no problem
Not really, 2 Ruptures can off a Hurricane which is built to kill Cruisers.
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
349
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:16:00 -
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Anyone care to make a RvB of frigates and destroyers only? |
Tashanaka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:17:00 -
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Anne Arqui wrote:[quote=Alara IonStorm] Time to train my Destroyer skill up and take the dust off my Thrashers ..
+1 to that. Depends if the buff makes it to TQ. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
5
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:20:00 -
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mmm... even more dps on my suicide gank Catalysts! |
Eve Mione
Eve Industry Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:07:00 -
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The Destroyer class in general has kind of been ignored. What I think would be great is to add in a similar fasion to Battlecruiser class is the 2 more tiers. For example the Catalyst & Brutix are big DPS boats/ both have lots of guns.
The Tier 2 Myrmidon has more tank with less guns etc - (Insert name Tier 2 Dessie here) will have more tank/ drop a couple high turret slots for more mids and lows and either more speed or HP.
Tier 3 as it stands now will be the new lead into the next size of ship guns. (Insert name Tier 3 Dessie here) Simply put, a destroyer capable of wielding a few medium sized cruiser guns.
Personally we could use more hulls in general for the destroyer class and they would be even more accesible than BC's are now. Thoughts? |
Jita Alt666
414
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Posted - 2011.10.26 00:23:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:Jenn Makanen wrote:Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on looks like the goons are going to evacute to HS ^^
As some one who actually read the CSM candidates notes prior to the CSM 6 election, I can categorically state, The current CSM members heavily promoted the idea of multi-shiptype fleets.
I am more worried about running into repeated large sub capital fleets that consists of Alpha Maels, Claymores, Tornadoes, Broadswords, Thrashers and Sabres than I am about anything else after the winter expansion. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
18
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:06:00 -
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For awhile (they might still) Agony PVP Uni had an all destroyer wolfpack class.... The videos up of those are fun to watch to say the least.
I think they required everybody in thrashers for the class though, and not any of the other Dessi's. Which of course is no surprise.... In any sense, fast lock arty thrashers in large numbers make for good videos. ;) |
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