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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:09:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too.
QFT.
But like it has been said some of them need moar mid slots. It really shouldn't be a decision about wether to use an AB or some kind of point. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Jooce McNasty
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:26:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Russell Casey wrote:That's good news if true. Destroyers are probably the most underrated ship in the game and they've been stuck in a niche that's being filled by drones. Like to see frigates adjusted somehow too. QFT. But like it has been said some of them need moar mid slots. It really shouldn't be a decision about wether to use an AB or some kind of point.
You know you could maybe work with others? Destroyers in gangs are going to be deadly especially if you an a dictor with the gang in low/null. Or get a interceptor to do the tackle for you and you just **** from range.
Not every ship type should be used solo. Some should more of a role in groups then solo pvp.
This is where I see destroyers shining.
My biggest problem with destroyers is the fact that they force an armor tank on you with the lack of mid's |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
448
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:36:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:Jenn Makanen wrote:Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do? Tackling frigates, frigate killing destroyers, and so on and so on looks like the goons are going to evacute to HS ^^
You really don't pay attention to our fleet comps, do you? |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
18
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Posted - 2011.10.26 11:39:00 -
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Plenty of destroyers in the most recent Test Alliance Video. (And a video that I can't help but like for some insane reason) From the color's, they don't appear to be dictors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRIjzW-kg0&feature=share&mid=50 |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
11
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Posted - 2011.10.26 12:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Wolfpacks of Thrashers Fixed. The Caty still doesn't have Web room, the Coercer still has only 1 mid and the Cormie has to choose between a DC and a MFS. Basically avoid Destroyers that start with a C. It's Thrashers all the way down. The Catalyst and Cormorant will both benefit immensely from the Hybrid rebalance.
A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.
The Cormorant was already pretty good as a webbing blasterboat and with the Hybrid changes it should excel as a rail kiter.
The Thrasher benefits chiefly from being faster, smaller and having more hp.
The Coercer will make excellent hit and run gang ships for new players. Those lasers, as with all the other destroyers, now pump out 25% more damage.
These changes chiefly benefit new players as destroyers are low skill ships that a new player can be flying with T2 fits in a few weeks of starting the game, but even older players should be able to form very nasty gangs with these: add a couple of Griffins and you've got the perfect counter to the new T3 BCs. |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:29:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote: A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.
Cruisers have been replaced by Shield Nano Canes for quite a while. It can not control Range against Frigates w/o a web.
Bomberlocks wrote: The Cormorant was already pretty good as a webbing blasterboat and with the Hybrid changes it should excel as a rail kiter.
It is to slow to kite Frigates, anything bigger will eat it with Drones. Even with the change it's Dmg will still be pitiful with one low slot, that or it's tank with no DCU.
Bomberlocks wrote: The Thrasher benefits chiefly from being faster, smaller and having more hp.
Yes.
Bomberlocks wrote: The Coercer will make excellent hit and run gang ships for new players. Those lasers, as with all the other destroyers, now pump out 25% more damage.
Perhaps but w/o tackle meh.
Bomberlocks wrote: These changes chiefly benefit new players as destroyers are low skill ships that a new player can be flying with T2 fits in a few weeks of starting the game, but even older players should be able to form very nasty gangs with these: add a couple of Griffins and you've got the perfect counter to the new T3 BCs.
They will be better but not that much. Thrasher would still be miles a head.
Wanna fix destroyers give them another slot.
Cormorant = Low for Dmg Coercer = Mid for Tackle Thrasher = Low for Whatever Catalyst = Mid for Web
That would fix most of there issues.
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De'Veldrin
Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing
45
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:45:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:Oh my, it seems that CCP want fleets with a bunch of different ships in them, filling various roles. Whatever will people do?
If past experience is anything to judge by, they will ***** and moan about it.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
11
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Posted - 2011.10.26 13:47:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:.....
Wanna fix destroyers give them another slot.
Cormorant = Low for Dmg Coercer = Mid for Tackle Thrasher = Low for Whatever Catalyst = Mid for Web
That would fix most of there issues.
While adding slots would be nice, it would make the new destroyers simply too OP, I think. Destroyers are cheap and inventive players will come up with good fits. It's the perfect ship for new players to get into pvp. Gather some friends, go to losec, lose the destroyers. Reship and come back again. Possibly bring a Griffin this time. What's not too like? |
Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
209
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:13:00 -
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First there were wolfpacks and drunken roams with rifters.
This winter, there will be wolfpacks and drunken roams with Thrashers. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
85
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:18:00 -
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I like it when they stir the pot... hope the destroyer buff is not just a rumor... All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
70
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Posted - 2011.10.26 14:47:00 -
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I feel like I belong here.
For a long time I have a special fit Thrasher using a HM bay that, with a web, can one-shot large drones. For the most part it's just a ratting and LOL ship - an experiment to see if you could fit a HM bay on a destroyer.
For comparison, a rigged up Kestrel with a web could take down other ships much faster.
The problem is that one-up in size missile fitting is good against larger ships but a destroyer goes down rapidly to a larger ship.
The changes will fix that - if you consider that DPS is a kind of tank: take down your target faster and they are not persisting long enough to do more damage.
We'll see what the future holds.
Now if they only boosted drone bay capacity for the Catalyst....
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
5
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Posted - 2011.10.26 15:39:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:
A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.
Yes a full rack of neutrons fits with moderate fitting skills, it's tight. On my gank alt the power grid is exactly maxed with a full rack of neutrons, no room for anything at all including scram. With better skills you can get one on there.
Edit: And that 's M0 neutrons too, higher meta fits even better.
Catalyst + rack of M0 neutrons and a couple volleys of faction AM = fun times
Now with this buff this thing is going to be a monster. Seems too good to be true. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
16
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:15:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Bomberlocks wrote:
A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.
Yes a full rack of neutrons fits with moderate fitting skills, it's tight. On my gank alt the power grid is exactly maxed with a full rack of neutrons, no room for anything at all including scram. With better skills you can get one on there. Edit: And that 's M0 neutrons too, higher meta fits even better. Catalyst + rack of M0 neutrons and a couple volleys of faction AM = fun times Now with this buff this thing is going to be a monster. Seems too good to be true.
Check out a Catalyst fit with 200mm Autocannon II's.....and Hail charges. Got room for a 200 mm tungsten plate, repper, damage control, scrambler and mwd.
Add some small projectile rigs and Evefit says a DPS of 206 and a volley of 729.
I can only imagine what a buff will do.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
85
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:21:00 -
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This is what happens when CCP listens to fail PvP'ers about balance issues .. no they don't handle well unless one has experience using them and knows their quirks .. they are not dumb-ass mobiles like Cynabal's and the other instant gratification PvP ships CCP has tossed our way the last few years.
Reduced signature and slightly higher speeds or lower mass is all they need .. the proposed changes will break them something fierce and instantly make frigates the red headed step children (again). Hell, with the proposed changes they'll be in direct competition with all but the highest tier cruisers .. |
Knoppaz
Rens Nursing Home
2
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:22:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Bomberlocks wrote:
A Catalyst with a full rack of Neutrons might now be possible (have not yet checked the stats). A couple of them should be able to kill a cruiser with ease now before the cruiser can defend itself or cap them out with neuts.
Yes a full rack of neutrons fits with moderate fitting skills, it's tight. On my gank alt the power grid is exactly maxed with a full rack of neutrons, no room for anything at all including scram. With better skills you can get one on there. Edit: And that 's M0 neutrons too, higher meta fits even better. Catalyst + rack of M0 neutrons and a couple volleys of faction AM = fun times Now with this buff this thing is going to be a monster. Seems too good to be true. Check out a Catalyst fit with 200mm Autocannon II's.....and Hail charges. Got room for a 200 mm tungsten plate, repper, damage control, scrambler and mwd. Add some small projectile rigs and Evefit says a DPS of 206 and a volley of 729. I can only imagine what a buff will do.
As comparision, a Thrasher passes the 300dps mark while running 1,8km/s and fielding 5k+ EHP (no repper tho)
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
448
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:26:00 -
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tell me more about wolf packs |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:29:00 -
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Andski wrote:tell me more about wolf packs First, the mommy wolf and the daddy wolf get together.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
122
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:43:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:Andski wrote:tell me more about wolf packs First, the mommy wolf and the daddy wolf get together....
then daddy tells a bunch of lies, and mommy pretends to believe him... To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
16
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Posted - 2011.10.26 16:57:00 -
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That would be a pack of lies in that case...... |
Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:31:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote: Wanna fix destroyers give them another slot and nerf the Thrasher.
FTFY |
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Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:39:00 -
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Oh well I was going to start training missile hookbills anyway.
Basically a f-you to Close combat frigates; The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:47:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you. They are also good for killing untanked exhumers.
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Shalassason
CTRL-Q
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:50:00 -
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Another glorious season of t1-alpha-thrasher swarms is to come |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:51:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Jenn Makanen wrote:Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you. They are also good for killing untanked exhumers.
>implying that someone cares about the "poors" exhumers The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:54:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Jenn Makanen wrote:Destroyers are support ships. You don't use them to hunt Frigates. You use them to blatter the ones that come at you. They are also good for killing untanked exhumers. >implying that someone cares about the "poors" exhumers I like you
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Borun Tal
Space Pods Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:15:00 -
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Zagam wrote:First there were wolfpacks and drunken roams with rifters.
This winter, there will be wolfpacks and drunken roams with Thrashers.
You say that like it's a bad thing... |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
79
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:29:00 -
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What ?
No more RoF penalty ??
Holy machine gun piercing through your ship, batman !!!
Awesome change !!! :D
And yeah, the coercer definitely could use a second midslot, at least. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
79
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:31:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Check out a Catalyst fit with 200mm Autocannon II's.....and Hail charges. Got room for a 200 mm tungsten plate, repper, damage control, scrambler and mwd.
Add some small projectile rigs and Evefit says a DPS of 206 and a volley of 729.
I can only imagine what a buff will do.
Why fit a Catalyst with autocannons and not use the thrasher instead ? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
49
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:32:00 -
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I still think all the destroyers could use an additional fitting slot. Cormorant needs another low, coercer needs another med and the catalyst could use one too.
Also buff interdictors. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
86
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Posted - 2011.10.26 18:47:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:...And yeah, the coercer definitely could use a second midslot, at least. Yeah, because you can't burn down an enemy with 350dps@20km or 440dps@7km before he warps away ... sheesh!
The only way a frig survives a meeting with a Coercer TODAY is by initiating warp immediately (slight exaggeration for effect), removing RoF brings its damage on par with glass cannon gank cruisers for Goddess sake.
They didn't even bother to make them more noob friendly by cutting turret counts in half and doubling the damage bonus .. costs a fortune to field them in numbers due to the high attrition rate.
SAY NO TO BREAKING BALANCE IN THE LIGHT CLASSES! SAY NO TO ROF REMOVAL ON DESSIES!
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