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Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:37:00 -
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Long time lurker -- nearly 45 days of lurking, in fact.
My first foray into low sec exploration at 4 days old was disastrous, but humorously so.
I have just started dipping my toes into low sec again. My procedure is to: 1. Set up a safe spot 2. Launch probes and then cloak with the prototype cloaking device on my imicus 3. Scan down sites 4. Check local 5a. Leave the system if I'm not the only person in local, or 5b. Proceed to a site and do the hacking mini game while smacking dscan at regular 5s intervals and watching local for new names
What else could/should I be doing and why does everyone recommend getting a covert ops ship? Do these allow you to cloak while hacking? |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:52:00 -
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Covert Ops doesn't have a movement penalty (certainly not the 90% penalty that the prototype has, if I'm remembering correctly) and you can warp while cloaked. Both of which help you GTFO when you need to.
What you are doing is pretty much what you should be doing given what you have available to you.
I will also add that you will want to train up scanning related skills and see about getting a better launcher (sister's launcher gives you bonus to scanning, etc) if you don't already have that. At four days old, this might be time consuming and cost prohibitive unless you buy plex/have a friendly contributor, but I'd still plan for improving along those lines.
You may also want to learn/master the cloak/MWD trick if you don't know this already. There are videos on youtube that will help explain it. I'd practice it in high sec first so that you get the hang of it. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:53:00 -
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covert ops ships can warp while cloaked meaning you're a bit safer when travelling |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:57:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:covert ops ships can warp while cloaked meaning you're a bit safer when travelling
It can be, yes. You could get to a system, warp to your safe spot, fire off your probes, cloak, and scan. Once you found something, you could stay cloaked and hop down to the site to take a look. You could also be scanning and realize there is a suddenly a roaming fleet in local that you want no part of.
Either way, it helps. |
Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:50:00 -
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Kyseth wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:covert ops ships can warp while cloaked meaning you're a bit safer when travelling It can be, yes. You could get to a system, warp to your safe spot, fire off your probes, cloak, and scan. Once you found something, you could stay cloaked and hop down to the site to take a look. You could also be scanning and realize there is a suddenly a roaming fleet in local that you want no part of. Either way, it helps.
Another noob question, how would I realize there's a roaming fleet? I've probably gotten lucky until now because I'm scared of everything in local :D
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Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:16:00 -
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Minasheera Jones wrote:Long time lurker -- nearly 45 days of lurking, in fact.
My first foray into low sec exploration at 4 days old was disastrous, but humorously so.
I have just started dipping my toes into low sec again. My procedure is to: 1. Set up a safe spot 2. Launch probes and then cloak with the prototype cloaking device on my imicus 3. Scan down sites 4. Check local 5a. Leave the system if I'm not the only person in local, or 5b. Proceed to a site and do the hacking mini game while smacking dscan at regular 5s intervals and watching local for new names
What else could/should I be doing and why does everyone recommend getting a covert ops ship? Do these allow you to cloak while hacking?
One little tip. In low sec, and even more so if you head in to null, the 'cans' are often a long way from the warp in point. I tend to warp in cloaked, and do a 'reccy'. You can't BM the 'cans' but you can BM a near by object. Warp back to your SS, then when you are ready warp to the object you BM'ed. On some sites it can bring you as much as 30k closer to the 'cans'
Also, when you do your initial 'reccy' warp short to the warp in point, then if somebody decides to 'hot drop' you ain't at the Warp-in point and don't risk being uncloaked.
If you do it right, and set things up, you can litrally stay cloaked right up until you are ready to lock the 'can' to hack it. |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:19:00 -
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Minasheera Jones wrote:Kyseth wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:covert ops ships can warp while cloaked meaning you're a bit safer when travelling It can be, yes. You could get to a system, warp to your safe spot, fire off your probes, cloak, and scan. Once you found something, you could stay cloaked and hop down to the site to take a look. You could also be scanning and realize there is a suddenly a roaming fleet in local that you want no part of. Either way, it helps. Another noob question, how would I realize there's a roaming fleet? I've probably gotten lucky until now because I'm scared of everything in local :D
Stay scared of everybody in local. That nice looking guy with the +5 sec status, who has been chatting all friendly like may well be feeding intel on you to the local baddies that he is playing 'Judas Pig' too.
Just don't let your fear get the better of you and push you back into High Sec.
Oh sorry
Judas Pig. a Pig/sheep/cow that lived in a slaughterhouse and would often be cared for by the slaughtermen. Then when they got a shipment of animals in that were 'spooked' and skittery, The Judas 'animal' would be put in with them, then it would happily lead them all out. It would go back to it's pen for a big fat meal, the rest would become a big fat meal. |
Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:33:00 -
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Max Godsnottlingson wrote: One little tip. In low sec, and even more so if you head in to null, the 'cans' are often a long way from the warp in point. I tend to warp in cloaked, and do a 'reccy'. You can't BM the 'cans' but you can BM a near by object. Warp back to your SS, then when you are ready warp to the object you BM'ed. On some sites it can bring you as much as 30k closer to the 'cans' .
OMFG I never realized you could bookmark objects.
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Trevor Dalech
CandyMan Cartel
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:18:00 -
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Some more tips:
1) assume everyone in local is out to get you. Do a show info on any newcomers, I usually check character age, bio, sec rating and the same for his corp. if you hang around in the same region for a while of get to know the locals, who is a threat and who is always in his industrial doing PI. 2) when watching d-scan, don't only look for ships and/or combat probes, people will also use normal core probes to scan down the site you are in. 3) if you notice half the cans in a site are already looted, beware that it may be an ambush, certainly someone already knew of the site and either had to get out in a hurry, got killed, or saw you coming and hit his cloak. 4) jettison a can (finally a use for that carbon you find all over!) on the warp in point. This will decloak any covert ops ship that warps to 0 (most won't.) |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:32:00 -
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Minasheera Jones wrote:Max Godsnottlingson wrote: One little tip. In low sec, and even more so if you head in to null, the 'cans' are often a long way from the warp in point. I tend to warp in cloaked, and do a 'reccy'. You can't BM the 'cans' but you can BM a near by object. Warp back to your SS, then when you are ready warp to the object you BM'ed. On some sites it can bring you as much as 30k closer to the 'cans' .
OMFG I never realized you could bookmark objects.
Yup! As i said, you can't BM the containers themselves, but anything else in the site is BMable. Also, the other thing to keep in mind. Is that if somebody else has BMed the site to use as a hot-drop/ambush area, that self same object may well be their BM too. Not much you can do about that, other then being aware of the possibility. |
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Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.20 18:45:00 -
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Thanks for all the tips. I'm sure I'll be back for more when I'm ready to start trying Null / WH.
But first I have to practice that cloak MWD trick a bit (lot) more since I keep mucking up the order |
Xanes Hans
Photon Scorpions
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:35:00 -
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Im a newb currently exploring in Low/Null (mostly Low) aswell. I feel like you are almost being a bit too paranoid tbh, i havent died in Low in a long time (died alot while learning how to move in Low) and i am not nearly as cautious tbh ;).
Why not fit 2 Warp Stabilizers? You're not really gonna fight anyway, and you just lock the cans abit slower. It saved me alot, since you are generally safe from solo roamers. And tbh, when i am doing a 2-3 hour explo session i really dont want to hit d-scan every 5 seconds ;).
A cloak is pretty much a must, i cant fly cov ops yet sadly, but even the normal one is a huge help (surviving gate camps, being safe while scanning).
I also dont worry too much about the number of people in local, sure i check it but i sure as hell dont leave as soon as i am not alone (you're not gonna get anything done if you do this....)
Small advice i learned the hard way: fit a damage control or something that gives a bit of tank and activate while being in site. Some people scan them down and then sit there cloaked waiting for you. First time i died, next time i had a DC and was able to warp out in time.
Thats really just my experience as a newb, so take it with a grain of salt, i've been pretty succesfull with it tho. |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:35:00 -
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Xanes Hans wrote:Im a newb currently exploring in Low/Null (mostly Low) aswell. I feel like you are almost being a bit too paranoid tbh, i havent died in Low in a long time (died alot while learning how to move in Low) and i am not nearly as cautious tbh ;).
Why not fit 2 Warp Stabilizers? You're not really gonna fight anyway, and you just lock the cans abit slower. It saved me alot, since you are generally safe from solo roamers. And tbh, when i am doing a 2-3 hour explo session i really dont want to hit d-scan every 5 seconds ;).
A cloak is pretty much a must, i cant fly cov ops yet sadly, but even the normal one is a huge help (surviving gate camps, being safe while scanning).
I also dont worry too much about the number of people in local, sure i check it but i sure as hell dont leave as soon as i am not alone (you're not gonna get anything done if you do this....)
Small advice i learned the hard way: fit a damage control or something that gives a bit of tank and activate while being in site. Some people scan them down and then sit there cloaked waiting for you. First time i died, next time i had a DC and was able to warp out in time.
Thats really just my experience as a newb, so take it with a grain of salt, i've been pretty succesfull with it tho.
In Eve you can never be too paranoid! Also, I believe in that sage advice given by Mr Miyagi in the original Karate Kid movie.
What is the best way to avoid a Punch? Don't be there in the first place! |
Xanes Hans
Photon Scorpions
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:09:00 -
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Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
In Eve you can never be too paranoid! Also, I believe in that sage advice given by Mr Miyagi in the original Karate Kid movie.
What is the best way to avoid a Punch? Don't be there in the first place!
Sure you can, if the cost of your paranoia outweighs the benefits of it =P.
Case in point, leaving system as soon as you are not alone. Sure you might never get caught, but you will also cut your exploration profits down to a tenth or so (probably even lower). |
Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:46:00 -
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So yesterday my greed outweighed my paranoia, with the expected result. Just for the record,I did have 2 warp stabilizers equipped, but I was still scrambled. Clearly the antagonist had heard about this strategy.
On the plus side my Imicus set up is dirt cheap barring the cloak, so I made 4 times the cost of my ship in hisec one hour after replacing it.
I'm still debating whether its worth adding dinky rail guns and drones to my set up. My problem is spazzing during combat when my "run like a squirrel" strategy fails me.
On a side note, are mwds affected by warp scrambles too? |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:04:00 -
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MWDs are shut down by warp scramblers. I find it odd that the perpetrator would have had a warp disruptor AND a scrambler to counter 2 stabs, were you in null sec and bubbled by any chance? |
Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:16:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:MWDs are shut down by warp scramblers. I find it odd that the perpetrator would have had a warp disruptor AND a scrambler to counter 2 stabs, were you in null sec and bubbled by any chance?
Nope, definitely low-sec -- 0.4. I just verified on dotlan.
To be fair I am assuming he was scrambling me because when I tried to warp out I got the "something is interfering" message. I am not exactly ... combat experienced. :) |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:51:00 -
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yes it would |
Minasheera Jones
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:25:00 -
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... But if I was using 2x warp stabilizer IIs It wouldn't work? |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:54:00 -
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Minasheera Jones wrote:So yesterday my greed outweighed my paranoia, with the expected result. Just for the record,I did have 2 warp stabilizers equipped, but I was still scrambled. Clearly the antagonist had heard about this strategy.
On the plus side my Imicus set up is dirt cheap barring the cloak, so I made 4 times the cost of my ship in hisec one hour after replacing it.
I'm still debating whether its worth adding dinky rail guns and drones to my set up. My problem is spazzing during combat when my "run like a squirrel" strategy fails me.
On a side note, are mwds affected by warp scrambles too?
If you are going to fit WCS, don't bother with fitting anything offensive. If anybody catches you, you are toast, as you have found out. Look at making yourself as slippery as possible. One thing that I do is fit an AB, if I am in a site, and somebody comes in system, I give the AB a quick burn to clear any nearby objects then go cloaky. I don't move out of the site, but sit safe and watch.
Eventually you will get a 'feel' for the 'contact'. Usually it's just somebody passing through, or doing their own thing, if it is a player pirate, they may well come in and have a look. Then it's just a waiting game, chances are they will eventually move on. They may be another explorer like you, and then you get the option to do some 'aggressive' competition management. OK, you canGÇÖt really fight, because of those WCS, but they are not to know, and may well have a similar fit, so their fighting ability will be nerfed too.
As said, you canGÇÖt be too paranoid in Eve, but likewise, you donGÇÖt have to run screaming out of system like a girlie. But you do need to learn to respond to a changing situation as best suits you. |
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Zoyx Ruhroh
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:06:00 -
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I like this idea of being a covert ops tourist. I still have some training to get there, and some reading to not biff it too badly, but this sounds like a great way to see the country side on the sly. |
Demica Diaz
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.18 14:35:00 -
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You need covops frigate for low sec. Being able to Warp to + Clock instantly as you jump into system makes you really hard to catch and I mean... really hard.
Also, when you jump into system, take your time to look around. You have full minute of stealth and immunity. Time your warp. Check D-scan, check what ships are around you at gate, dont activate warp when there is frigate in your face, wait for it to get distance as they usually like to orbit gate. Check solar map while still sitting in immunity. Pick nice place to warp to and make sure you have bookmark button ready.
In system if you are not alone and lets say there is one or two guys. Check their corps are they same alliance? Check their killmails and you will see what they like to fly and how much PvP they do. Seeing guy with a lot of "Stealth bomber gone exploration" fit kills means he loves to sit in his Nemesis at Relic sites and wait for explorers to appear so he can blow them up.
Keep D-Scan open and keep pinging to see if folks are warping to you while you working on site. See combat probes? Get out instantly or get distance from site while clocked (need covops), it usually means hes already in warp to you.
Never, ever scan while decloacked.
Never jump from gate to gate. I learned it hard way when I was newbie.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16936837
For 0.0 you want T3 and a lot of experience to survive in 0.0 even without T3 (otherwise you might lose expensive T3). Immunity to bubbles + covops is just too good to pass.
Learn from trying and failing. Experiment things in cheap ships. Like I wanted to lean more about bubbles in 0.0 and not in T3 ship, I made cheap probe and experimented until I got killed. Lost measly 5 million, learned a LOT.
But overall, have fun! |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.08.18 16:50:00 -
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Sounds like you are getting the hang of it! Have fun! However, if I see you on my route.....poof. When I am in a system, all sites are belong to me. "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
Zoyx Ruhroh
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication StoneGuard Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:39:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Sounds like you are getting the hang of it! Have fun! However, if I see you on my route.....poof. When I am in a system, all sites are belong to me.
Or you won't see us, but we'll see you |
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