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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2013.07.21 20:50:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Despite her dissident political views, her unsupportable calls for the genocide of the Gallente peoples and her obvious mental instability, the one thing that redeemed the honour of Diana Kim was her steadfast support of the State and her sterling work in the State Protectorate.
So moved by her apparent sense of duty was I, that I even tried to help her transition in this difficult time for her, at personal risk.
She repays my care and effort by breaking her oath as a member of the State Protectorate and attacking not only my Chairwoman, but also my Wife. Not once but multiple times. When I discussed this with her later on, her justification appears to be that mean things were said about her in a public discussion channel.
Madness.
For too long Diana Kim has been tolerated as an eccentric but basically decent State citizen. I call on all State Loyalists to now treat her as what she clearly is, a Provist Traitor driven insane by the fall of her twisted idol.
If I had a wife, i'd probably be steamed that someonewhom I thought of as at least an, albeit distant, ally tried to blow her out of the sky, as well... Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1243
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Posted - 2013.07.21 21:23:00 -
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Well, I thought it best to declare my obvious bias in these proceedings - nonetheless I hope the situation stands on it's own merits. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
472
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:32:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:This is the most stupid and blatant lie I ever saw. Well, at least anyone, who were fighting with me can say that I never was Strike Commander, and my "demotion" exists only in rotten Gesakaarin's mind. But eh, what could you expect from such lying incoherent coward like Gesakaarin? She were always displaying her hostility, and now this. Very well. As for me, I serve the State and I will destroy all enemies of the State. Including you, Gesakaarin. And traitors like Desiderya.
Glory to the State! D. Kim, Wing Cmdr.
Your words might have some bearing and consequence if you did not now have the reputation of being a terrorist and dissident. Your affectations of being a soldier serving the State are now nothing more than empty words for there is no difference between you and those criminals, pirates and profiteers who hide behind the skirts of CONCORD and the CEWPA Laws of every Militia.
You are no soldier. You are a thug just like any other Provist. And just like them, you sought to use violence and intimidation against those that disagreed with your savage ignorance. And just like them you have been shamed and humiliated in public as nothing more than an incompetent coward. Did you really think you could intimidate a true citizen of the State such as myself just as Tibus Heth and the Provists sought to intimidate the citizens of Kaalakiota and the State? You cannot silence the virtues of honour and dignity, and the failure of Tibus Heth, the Provists, the Templis Dragonaurs and now yourself as to what honour and dignity mean is why you have become the abject failures to turn ones back upon as every measure of pity, scorn, derision and disgust is provided to you as your only succour in the loneliness of the snows.
Walk your lonely path in the cold. Never know the warmth of kirjuun. Howl your breath into the storm. And hear my laughter upon the winds.
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Ponder Rouge Affinor
Order of Cut-Throats
2
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:51:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Walk your lonely path in the cold. Never know the warmth of kirjuun. Howl your breath into the storm. And hear my laughter upon the winds.
Remind me to never get on your wrong side... |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1695
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Posted - 2013.07.22 12:55:00 -
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Ponder Rouge Affinor wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Walk your lonely path in the cold. Never know the warmth of kirjuun. Howl your breath into the storm. And hear my laughter upon the winds.
Remind me to never get on your wrong side...
It's no less than Kim deserves, so long as she continues to walk her selfish path.
That being said, I personally believe in redemption and rebirth. It will be a long and difficult journey for her should she choose to take it, and she will be a very different person if she should succeed. Most who try, fail.
But we should leave that door open anyway. Meritocracy and honour demand that we offer an opportunity, however small, difficult and unlikely, for those we once called our kirjuunen to return to the family.
I will not weep if Kim should fail to take that opportunity, however. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Steffanie Saissore
The Order of the Ebon Rose
100
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:34:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: That being said, I personally believe in redemption and rebirth. It will be a long and difficult journey for her should she choose to take it, and she will be a very different person if she should succeed. Most who try, fail.
But we should leave that door open anyway. Meritocracy and honour demand that we offer an opportunity, however small, difficult and unlikely, for those we once called our kirjuunen to return to the family.
I will not weep if Kim should fail to take that opportunity, however.
From what I have seen and heard, she has been given multiple chances at reform and redemption and has thus far, in all cases, outright refused or turned away from each chance given.
Despite having been the target of her vitriol in both the Summit and on the IGS, I had held out hope that she might see reason through the haze of her idol-worship, but as time has marched on, Kim has remained stagnant.
A part of me still holds out for redemption, but for that to happen she needs to start owning up to her actions and statements instead of trying to hide behind a thin veil of pretending to be ignorance. She has unfortunately been coddled and spoiled and any hope of change needs to start with how she is treated in turn. If she cannot accept responsibility for her mistakes or admit that she willfully lies to suit her own purposes, there is not much hope for her to reform. Ser Steffanie Saissore, Knight Commander (Errant), Order of the Ebon Rose
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1696
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:41:00 -
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Well said, and I completely agree, Miss Saissore An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Trensk Mikakka
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.07.22 14:44:00 -
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I've flown with Diana a few times. She's shown to be a capable pilot in her own right. A bit....eccentric, sure, but perfectly capable. Then, I see this. While it doesn't shock me it.....disappoints me. I thought she was rather intelligent enough to know that "The good of the whole over the good of the individual" would apply here. Heth is an individual. Diana is an individual. The Caldari is a whole. Even if you disagree with them you should help them on their way. They will die on their own eventually.
But, I guess Diana snapped clean in two. I should just tell my CEO to set her red, but seeing how I don't currently live in Caldari space right now, it wouldn't be a big deal. I will not provide asylum here, yet. I hope she just gives it up soon before too much happens. Sadly, it's never that easy. |
Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:00:00 -
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Having witnessed by chance the two of them "interact" on the Summit some days ago i assumed they were well past the shooting phase. I'm shocked that it seems i was wrong and everybody is outraged by this settling of a very personal score through combat in defiance of some kind of corporate regulation or something.
The Caldari are very different people, huh.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1696
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Posted - 2013.07.22 15:13:00 -
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Chinwe Rhei wrote:Having witnessed by chance the two of them "interact" on the Summit some days ago i assumed they were well past the shooting phase. I'm shocked that it seems i was wrong and everybody is outraged by this settling of a very personal score through combat in defiance of some kind of corporate regulation or something.
The Caldari are very different people, huh.
Are you saying that it's normal and acceptable to resolve an interpersonal conflict with violence? I'm aware that such may be considered the default capsuleer response, but let's not be complacent when it happens. If the Caldari are "different" for preferring that interpersonal conflicts be resolved without gunfire, then I think I like to be different.
Besides, the usual Caldari attitude is "separate your personal and professional lives"
If you dislike somebody, that's not an issue. That's between you and them. Sort it out or not, an interpersonal falling-out is none of my business, nor the corporation's nor the State's. Happiness and mutual respect are not mandatory, and would be unenforceable if they were.
STPRO pilots shooting at STPRO pilots, however, is a professional matter. It's effectively insurrection, treason and sabotage. So of course there's outrage involved. you don't shoot the people who are flying under the same banner as you, end of story. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
845
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:06:00 -
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This is just hilarious! I suppose there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
When I and others called Kim a sociopath, genocidal murderer, terrorist and lacking of any honor all you Statists rushed to her defense. You claimed that although she was "overzealous" that she was following your heiian code, a true defender of the State, etc etc. Now that she's shown herself to be all that we claimed, you profess shock and sadness. Oh my...
Anabella Rella types out something on a datapad and then holds it up to the camera. In large letters the display reads: I TOLD YOU SO!
I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious! I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1696
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:12:00 -
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We believe in looking after our own and not cutting people off at the first sign of trouble. We believe in solidarity, and attempting to fix our own breakages. We believe in second chances, and not giving up on our comrades.
You'll have a hard time painting those as vices. Given the choice, I'd always take the scenario where we made the attempt but you turned out to be right, over the one where we wrote her off and you turned out to be wrong. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
500
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:12:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: Are you saying that it's normal and acceptable to resolve an interpersonal conflict with violence? I'm aware that such may be considered the default capsuleer response, but let's not be complacent when it happens. If the Caldari are "different" for preferring that interpersonal conflicts be resolved without gunfire, then I think I like to be different.
Well, in fact, I am always opened for conversation and always can accept solutions that doesn't include violence. However, I am afraid, that woman like Gesakaarin is simple unable to do this thing. I was trying to talk with her, but without vain, it is obvious, that the only possible solution for cases like her is violence. I repeat, that I am always opened for different solution. But I am pretty sure it won't happen.
Stitcher wrote: STPRO pilots shooting at STPRO pilots, however, is a professional matter. It's effectively insurrection, treason and sabotage. So of course there's outrage involved. you don't shoot the people who are flying under the same banner as you, end of story.
Incorrect. You, Sir, are not in the Protectorate to understand how things work here. Heck, after certain events I can't call you Caldari anymore. But I will explain. The State Protectorate lacks Military Police and regulatory force, and thus all internal affairs lays to our hands. There are quite a few pilots that openly support the Federation, and quite a number of obvious spies. Have you ever heard of "Fleetwarpto Sujarento"? This is quite infamous spy for the federation that we pop on sight. And we don't bring this topics to public. Well, if this woman Gesakaarin wants to bring her dirty pants to public discussion and get support of gallente-minded capsuleers, well, her choice, maybe she will plan to hide in the Federation someday (if she survive this), who knows... |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
845
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:22:00 -
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Sure, whatever Stitcher. Oh and by the way, we Matari also look after our own. We don't routinely throw our people under the bus at the first sign of difficulty and I resent your insinuation. But Kim has been a long term problem, you knew she was, you had it pointed out to you yet, you did nothing to get her under control, "save" her, get her psychiatric help, etc. You (and I'm using you in the general sense of State loyalists, not necessarily you specifically) merely defended her insanity and attacked those who tried to warn you.
I guess you can no longer ignore the problem. Good luck with getting this genie back into the bottle. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1696
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Posted - 2013.07.22 16:32:00 -
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I did not insinuate that Matari do not look after their own - I strive not to utter such patent falsehoods. I apologise if what I wrote could be read in such a way, but I think it can only be thus read if you WANT to read it that way.
As for what could have been done - she's a capsuleer. There are additional obstacles involved in controlling, "saving", getting psych help etc. for a capsuleer. It's... effectively impossible to section us. I feel happy that we did as much as was realistic, and gave her as many opportunities as were fair. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
278
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:03:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:We don't routinely throw our people under the bus at the first sign of difficult
Your own people, at least...
Anabella Rella wrote:I guess you can no longer ignore the problem. Good luck with getting this genie back into the bottle.
There is a lot of this going around right now. Bio and writing |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1056
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:08:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:We don't routinely throw our people under the bus
No, just your allies when it's convenient for you to do so.
So Pilot Kim is now engaging in targets outside of CONCORD legality? Traitor and a criminal all in one fell swoop to go with her already existing status as a genocidal, racist bigot. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1246
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:44:00 -
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To say that all other paths have been explored would be a gross understatement.
Hearing Kim compare our organisation to the likes of Sujarento, a spy for the Federation who scouts for their fleets quite openly, simply underlines Kim's strange pathology. Pyre Falcon has been in the warzone, fighting on behalf of the State and it's allies since it's inception. The pilots involved have been State Loyalists since long before that.
Miss Rella is quite right that we were quick to defend Kim in the past, based on her long service in the warzone - we respect the efforts of others. It's a shame that she seems incapable of doing this herself.
Still, the situation is not unrecoverable. At the very least, all that she has to do to avoid more punishing losses of ships and crew and sanctions from the State Protectorate is to STOP SHOOTING AT US. Since Pyre Falcon have not chosen to respond by throwing away the militia regulations, she is in no danger if she doesn't aggress us.
Beyond that? She should seriously think about getting some help. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2013.07.23 00:06:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious!
Oh! Oh, my! Tears, I must wipe away the tears. It's not *quite* as delicious as a band of superficial halfwits coming up with the imbecilic legal theory of "blood jurisdiction" to justify an attack upon an ally over the death of a "leader" the same morons vilified prior to her distress, of course, but there you have it. What will these idiots think of next? |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1879
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Posted - 2013.07.23 00:25:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious! Oh! Oh, my! Tears, I must wipe away the tears. It's not *quite* as delicious as a band of superficial halfwits coming up with the imbecilic legal theory of "blood jurisdiction" to justify an attack upon an ally over the death of a "leader" the same morons vilified prior to her distress, of course, but there you have it. What will these idiots think of next?
I guess those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, should they?
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
134
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:00:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:This is just hilarious! I suppose there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. When I and others called Kim a sociopath, genocidal murderer, terrorist and lacking of any honor all you Statists rushed to her defense. You claimed that although she was "overzealous" that she was following your heiian code, a true defender of the State, etc etc. Now that she's shown herself to be all that we claimed, you profess shock and sadness. Oh my... Anabella Rella types out something on a datapad and then holds it up to the camera. In large letters the display reads: I TOLD YOU SO! I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious! Hate to stomp on your little gloat parade, but not every State loyalist defended Kim. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
424
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:40:00 -
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Let her gloat, it's all she has. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
281
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:42:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Gosakumori Noh wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I shouldn't gloat I know but, this is just too delicious! Oh! Oh, my! Tears, I must wipe away the tears. It's not *quite* as delicious as a band of superficial halfwits coming up with the imbecilic legal theory of "blood jurisdiction" to justify an attack upon an ally over the death of a "leader" the same morons vilified prior to her distress, of course, but there you have it. What will these idiots think of next? I guess those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, should they?
The windows and walls of that house are already shattered, another stone won't matter. Bio and writing |
Laria Raven
Stillwater Corporation
34
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:22:00 -
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That was a very interesting, if rather stilted, account.
Mme. Kim, now that you have had a taste of the pirate existence... fancy being one? Fallen from grace. And as night comes, may flights of Angels visit your sleep... shoot your ships and steal all of your stuff. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
849
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:32:00 -
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Pilot Stitcher your points are valid. There was only so much that could have been done to modify Kim's behavior. I just find it hard to believe that even after her most recent acts of treachery and insanity there are those who continue to address her as Kim-haani.
As to your other point; fair enough. I was a bit quick to judge your words. I've known you to be an honest and reasonable person of great integrity. My apologies.
Noh, Desiderya you can take a long walk from a short pier into very deep water. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
281
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:03:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I just find it hard to believe that even after her most recent acts of treachery and insanity there are those who continue to address her as Kim-haani.
Why wouldn't they? The -haani suffix here merely means she's a State citizen.
I'll send you a copy of Archan Trivale's "Another State of mind". It's a good introduction to Caldari culture, and it really helped me out when I was living there. Bio and writing |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
146
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:04:00 -
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Laria Raven wrote:That was a very interesting, if rather stilted, account.
Mme. Kim, now that you have had a taste of the pirate existence... fancy being one?
As a former Angel, I have to ask... do you seriously want a rabid dog under that banner? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1703
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:25:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I just find it hard to believe that even after her most recent acts of treachery and insanity there are those who continue to address her as Kim-haani. Why wouldn't they? The -haani suffix here merely means she's a State citizen. I'll send you a copy of Archan Trivale's " Another State of mind". It's a good introduction to Caldari culture, and it really helped me out when I was living there.
I think she knows that. And I suspect the point she was making is that many of us are continuing to give her the same honour due a State citizen.
I quite agree that maybe we should stop. You don't get to affiliate with and publicly declare your loyalty to declared enemies of the State and get to keep referring to yourself, or being referred to as, a citizen. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
3086
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:36:00 -
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Eventually, of course, the number of people she considers "true" Caldari citizens will asymptotically reduce to two - herself and Heth.
And Heth isn't exactly long for this world. It'll be pretty lonely. Mane 614
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
426
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:43:00 -
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Well, to me it is pretty obvious that Kim-guri has decided to walk this path a while ago already. At least she continues to be useful, that's something we ought to keep in mind, although this AAR shows precisely how we in [DUTY] deal with terrorists when we witness it.
Maybe you can convince her with a strongly worded letter to mend her ways? Here are some very experienced IGS veterans present, after all.
And Captain Rella - come and try and make me do it. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
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