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Drspock Lennelluc
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:09:00 -
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It's way past time to develop a balanced implant for drones. There are implants for virtually everything else, why not drones? |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.07.22 07:09:00 -
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Drspock Lennelluc wrote:It's way past time to develop a balanced implant for drones. There are implants for virtually everything else, why not drones? Drones are already quite strong, which makes up for the lack of implants and overheating.
Adding drone implants is a nice idea, but means drone DPS has to be scaled down. Are you sure you would want this? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Uppsy Daisy
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:03:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Drspock Lennelluc wrote:It's way past time to develop a balanced implant for drones. There are implants for virtually everything else, why not drones? Drones are already quite strong, which makes up for the lack of implants and overheating. Adding drone implants is a nice idea, but means drone DPS has to be scaled down. Are you sure you would want this?
I disagree.
1) The paper-based drone DPS quoted in EFT etc is totally inaccurate. The real DPS you actually get from drones is much, much lower. I have conducted extensive tests along the lines of these ( http://www.evealtruist.com/2012/02/drones-vs-frigates.html ), and found that EFT DPS is nowhere near what you actually get in real life.
2) Overheating adds another dimension to the game, which is a plus.
3) The only drones you could say are quite strong in terms of DPS and tracking are sentry drones, but they have their own problems i.e. being totally without movement.
Drones need a total re-work.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:22:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Whitehound wrote:Drspock Lennelluc wrote:It's way past time to develop a balanced implant for drones. There are implants for virtually everything else, why not drones? Drones are already quite strong, which makes up for the lack of implants and overheating. Adding drone implants is a nice idea, but means drone DPS has to be scaled down. Are you sure you would want this? I disagree. 1) The paper-based drone DPS quoted in EFT etc is totally inaccurate. The real DPS you actually get from drones is much, much lower. I have conducted extensive tests along the lines of these ( http://www.evealtruist.com/2012/02/drones-vs-frigates.html ), and found that EFT DPS is nowhere near what you actually get in real life. 2) Overheating adds another dimension to the game, which is a plus. 3) The only drones you could say are quite strong in terms of DPS and tracking are sentry drones, but they have their own problems i.e. being totally without movement. Drones need a total re-work. The numbers you get from EFT for drones need to interpreted just like the DPS from guns and missiles. Drones have like turrets a weapon resolution (light drones: 25m, medium drones: 125m, heavy drones 250m, sentry drones: 400m) . If you choose the wrong size of drones or guns or missiles then your DPS will always be lower. This is not a problem particular to drones but a common rookie mistake.
Overheating is a nice feature, but it would make the already tedious drone interface only more complicated. So I take the extra damage over featurism any time of the day.
And that sentry drones are stationary is not a problem, but it is an intentional feature. Instead of mobility does one get long ranges with a high tracking. It also makes them more difficult to hit with turrets, too. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:29:00 -
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Hexatron Ormand
Aperture Space New Eden Industrie Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.22 10:36:00 -
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Lol i just made a similar posting, to then see this one pop up :) - guess i couldn't find it before as it was in a different forum. |
Uppsy Daisy
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.22 11:31:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:The numbers you get from EFT for drones need to interpreted just like the DPS from guns and missiles. Drones have like turrets a weapon resolution (light drones: 25m, medium drones: 125m, heavy drones 250m, sentry drones: 400m) . If you choose the wrong size of drones or guns or missiles then your DPS will always be lower. This is not a problem particular to drones but a common rookie mistake.
That is not what I mean, I know about the numbers above.
What I mean is that the DPS quoted in EFT for a gun is the maximum possible DPS and is possible to attain - for example against a ship that is not moving and within optimal.
The DPS quoted in EFT for drones (not sentry drones) is unattainable, no matter what the conditions are. Try it. |
Drspock Lennelluc
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:05:00 -
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The implants only give a slight edge when compared to all the different upgrades available through training your skills. An implant also has to be chosen for a slot, and there a limit of slots, therefore, once you choose an implant, it takes the place of another implant you could have chosen. There could easily be an implant for drones and the overall effect would be no different than any other upgrade for any other weapon. I find the fact drones are left out of implant upgrades disappointing. Drone specialization could be in speed, damage, shield maintenance, etc... Not to mention pricing and how an implant is destroyed once removed. These are all factors affecting whether a player would purchase such an implant. A good healthy debate presented to the community would be the first step in keeping pace with the expectations of paying customers and fans, such as myself. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:26:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:That is not what I mean, I know about the numbers above.
What I mean is that the DPS quoted in EFT for a gun is the maximum possible DPS and is possible to attain - for example against a ship that is not moving and within optimal.
The DPS quoted in EFT for drones (not sentry drones) is unattainable, no matter what the conditions are. Try it. No, I believe you are only reading the article wrong. The article shows how the drones' tracking affects their DPS, which is working in compliance to the tracking game mechanic. It is not broken but working as intended. An object which orbits a stationary target at close range will see a high transversal speed. If you want to use large drones against a small target effectively will you have to use omnis and target painters to get their full DPS down. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
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