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Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:08:00 -
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Ravaun wrote:I have never seen a UNI Fleet. I wish there was some sort of support for them from the Devs, but there isn't. Eve Online isn't meant to be friendly, and ultimately, it's up to the players to make a difference. I wasn't even aware Eve-University was..well, active. People tend to make it sound like it's a very small, and unhelpful thing. It is, as far as I know, the largest high sec corp in the game. The only people who would view it as "small and unhelpful" are those who have never been in it.
I'm sure the incursion fleet is not as hardcore as the "pros" like ISN (it is a corp made up largely of noobs, after all), but they have other programs as well, through which a lot of generous veteran players give a lot of help to their many newer members. They also have other strictly carebearing programs, like a mining camp in Amarr space. Again, I'm not sure how active it is at the moment, but I am sure you can find something to do within the UNI that would both be fun for you and would let you contribute in a way other players will remember. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
24
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:09:00 -
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Just wanne say good luck with your RL , i wish you well and dont worry about those cunts hiding bwehind ip adress
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Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
33
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:12:00 -
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hey tumor boy.
Looks like you are looking for a reason to live and EVE is probably not it. if you want to play EVE do it for the reason that you enjoy playing not that you are doing good in the world
In my time in EVE
1. i have spent a couple of long nights on mumble talking people out of suicide 2. Told people that Dignatis is not the answer to their problems
I have talked to middle aged men who are divorced and jobless and are looking for anything to mask the pain and this game is it
someone with an inoperable tumor of the brain.
Its endless.
If you want a reason to live look at the support groups in your area as they need people like yourself to give support to the lost, it may be the most fulfilling thing you ever do with your life. You could probably start at a pain clinic or your local GP.
My deal is that i have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. So im pretty much ******. And guess what most long term players are pretty ****** as well.
All my best to you. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
180
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:13:00 -
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Ravaun wrote: I got burned by the group I flew with, every one told me I was just being trolled, but how often do you troll some one that isn't involved with running a community, and not state they are welcome back?
Why not just start your own group - By your account, you've got the time to spend on managing a corp, why not take the bull by the horns and do it for yourself (and those you choose to help)? |
Ravaun
Not Gonna Get me
3
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:17:00 -
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I think if I keep responding, it looks like I'm just trying to be talked into Eve :) I'm pretty sure alot of my friends are going to email me endlessly to do so to begin with.
I just want to leave a piece of advise/Tagline I oft said- Ego sum Deus meus; I am my Own God.
We all make our own decisions, it's up to each of us to treat others decently. Every one plays a game to have fun, but you don't need to swear and curse and belittle some one to have fun killing their ship.
\o In the end, I guess people were right when they said I'm weird. :) |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
612
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:17:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:Ravaun wrote:I have never seen a UNI Fleet. I wish there was some sort of support for them from the Devs, but there isn't. Eve Online isn't meant to be friendly, and ultimately, it's up to the players to make a difference. I wasn't even aware Eve-University was..well, active. People tend to make it sound like it's a very small, and unhelpful thing. It is, as far as I know, the largest high sec corp in the game. The only people who would view it as "small and unhelpful" are those who have never been in it.
Quoted for truth. UNI has beef with a rival pirate corp we have beef with too, and a couple of days ago there were 20+ UNI guys in our 'home' lowsec system. I believe they got a few kills on that corp too. Also their explorers keep popping their heads into our system, UNI looks very much alive from where I'm sitting. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
1388
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:24:00 -
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Ravaun wrote:I think if I keep responding, it looks like I'm just trying to be talked into Eve :) Well if you do decide to keep playing, feel free to get in touch.
Oh god. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3114
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:30:00 -
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Sorry about your RL situation. Hope you find a little joy in Eve. |
Jeffrey Asher
Bunne
7
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:35:00 -
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The situation sucks, but just the same as real life we are often surrounded by twats, with no consideration for others. No good deed goes unpunished is an axiom I see happening all the time.
I applaud you play style, I am only fairly new but I would hope to be one day the head of, or high up in, a corp where I could be a lot of help to newer players.
It is a shame that the actions of other have denied you something that, where you are at the moment in the real world, is obviously bringing you a lot of happiness. Start your own corp, keep control of what happens in it and be your own boss. I'd come work for you in an instant and never ask for ISK, I am in a not dissimilar position myself in real life so the game gives me a great escape and a lot of enjoyment as well - I expect you would get quite a few people who share your principles want to join too.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8449
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:46:00 -
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Ravaun wrote:Also :( At you. There's no reason to say negative things about a group of people. Some people will always be bad and it isn't nice to say every one is.
Incursion groups tend to be quite elitist and unhelpful, even more than the most selectively recruiting PvP-centric corps. They make a lot of noise about how they are in it for the ~community~, but in the end, it's all about ISK per hour. If a less efficient gang made up of players with lower SP in T1 ships is running a site, they'll aggressively contest them out.
On the other hand, most PvP alliances will take you if you can fly a few ships and have somebody who can vouch for you not being a total moron, and if you don't have a completely repulsive personality you'll make friends. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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SyntheticSins
An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE
13
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:54:00 -
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If I were filthy rich and about to quit this game, what would I do?
Hire PL to kill those that backstabbed me. Buy a T3 boosting alt, build Gods Coldblood's Vindicater and leeroy into their fleet. or just buy hundreds of trash ship setups and go explode in glorious bouts of PvP combat.
I see your complaint. Eve is a brutal game, and honestly it's brutality is one of the reasons I think I've been playing for so long. I couldn't stand MMO's that would let you die, pat you on your ass, give you a pascifier and tell you to move on.
Or hell, I would find a devoted aspiring young player, and shoot the isk in his direction.
I can understand the agony. I think almost every one of us long-term players have had situations where we were ready to kick our monitor through the wall. I have personaly lost over 20bil in ships. 1.5bil alone this month. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
494
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:06:00 -
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Ravaun wrote:So let the troll posts begin against me, but it doesn't really matter, I can no longer sustain my play style in Eve Online. Don't really hate the game as a whole, but it showed me how bitter and cold people are. I guess I should have seen it coming after how often you read about being ****** over in one way or another in this game.
Avatar + Anonymity = trollfest.
This is why to either play with RL friends and/or family. Then you'll be helping who really does matter to you.
If the trust isn't at the level you can leave a $100,000 bill on the table and it's safe, it's not worth playing (why waste time and effort in a game you PAY for to add misery? Makes zero sense). Coming back to WoW after a couple months away, the warmth of having family there is 10x better than trying to play in a "harsh" space (not harsh, just more asshats) of complete strangers. Spent 10hrs yesterday catching up for 5.4, and sis and I did everything together...that's priceless.
They don't see any fun in ganking, stealing and trolling. EvE wouldn't make them happy. It's not what they're paying to play for (and that in the end is what matters - did you get a value for your money?).
So if you leave, it comes down to what you're getting out of the game that's fun to you. The usual trolls that like misery and be miserable with others will gravitate to games that allows griefing. While the more sane folks find more productive games.
Just consider that you're lucky that you leaving before the antisocial nature of EvE became permanent. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Hugo Z Hackenbush
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:12:00 -
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Don't fret it OP, some people just need a acid bath irl. Let's hope Karma is real eh? Eve is like the way that gun law equals a lot of deaths followed by a lot of people being real nice to each other, well, it would be if we all had our names and address posted on our character info! I wonder just how many players would still act like assholes? Fly safe, and lock your back door tonight! |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
218
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:15:00 -
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As many of the others have said, I think you should just keep playing. There's plenty to do and plenty of other ways to help people. Start a corp dedicated to getting people started on their careers in eve for example. Give them starting equipment and put in incentives to get them to help other people out. Make a long standing change that will self perpetuate. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:17:00 -
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I'd certainly be the last one to give you a pep-talk, especially if it involves trying to get you to remain in EVE Online.
Look upon your experience as a blessing in disguise; you're eyes can now be open to things EVE Online kept you blind to.
If there are a such thing as Gods, may they bless you. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2417
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:18:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Ravaun wrote:So let the troll posts begin against me, but it doesn't really matter, I can no longer sustain my play style in Eve Online. Don't really hate the game as a whole, but it showed me how bitter and cold people are. I guess I should have seen it coming after how often you read about being ****** over in one way or another in this game. Avatar + Anonymity = trollfest. This is why to either play with RL friends and/or family. Then you'll be helping who really does matter to you.If the trust isn't at the level you can leave a $100,000 bill on the table and it's safe, it's not worth playing (why waste time and effort in a game you PAY for to add misery? Makes zero sense). Coming back to WoW after a couple months away, the warmth of having family there is 10x better than trying to play in a "harsh" space (not harsh, just more asshats) of complete strangers. Spent 10hrs yesterday catching up for 5.4, and sis and I did everything together... that's priceless. They don't see any fun in ganking, stealing and trolling. EvE wouldn't make them happy. It's not what they're paying to play for (and that in the end is what matters - did you get a value for your money?). So if you leave, it comes down to what you're getting out of the game that's fun to you. The usual trolls that like misery and be miserable with others will gravitate to games that allows griefing. While the more sane folks find more productive games. Just consider that you're lucky that you leaving before the antisocial nature of EvE became permanent.
A person who has to constantly talk trash about people who are different from them is simply displaying their own ego problems.
If you don't like what EVE is or who it attracts, WHY keep coming here. You don't like us, we sure don't like you, you even understand you are happier in WoW. What a twisted individual you must be to subject yourself to an experience that seems to cause you so much misery....
...which makes you EXACTLY like the people you talk about. See the bolded part of your own post.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
558
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:20:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Ravaun wrote:To Clarify - I was burned out of where I was, and with out being where I was, I couldn't continue to average the 1.5b a day I was pulling, which I largely pumped out to people to help. :) As I played Eve solely for the enjoyment of helping others, I had to quit. If you think the only way to help people is by 1.5b/day then you're clearly not doing it right. Taken from the old saying "Every Rifter counts" - that's hardly 1.5b/day... You do realize that for example new pilots, getting a 5m donation makes most of them very very happy, and that is not very much compared to 1.5b/day you claim was needed. I'm sure you can find other ways if you like. /c
This. I still remember the guy who blew up a Thrasher of mine in low sec when I was new, but he gave me 10 million isk because I actually gave him a good fight. Was lucky if the ship I lost was worth 2 million total. Even helping with little things like Chribba says makes people remember. Little things are better than nothing at all. Don't give up just because you cannot just give PLEX out. Help out new players. They really do appreciate it. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Jorden Ishonen
Kinetic Technologies
83
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:21:00 -
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It looks to me like EVE...
...got you.
YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
Jharii Tirar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:23:00 -
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Be thankful for what you have. People in real life can behave far more deplorable than they can in EVE. |
Elleren
Phoibe Enterprises
48
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:25:00 -
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Honestly, you could very well be 100% making this all up and trolling.
That said, then for you, and for any similarly situated who are reading, my thought is that you need to make a couple of changes.
First, quit ignoring what you obviously know to be true about Eve, and acting like it will never affect you. That is, frankly, rather delusional. If you cannot accept that about Eve, then it is simply not the game for you. Then its all good, because you just need to go to one of the literally thousands of other games, where you can have fun more as you would like, within the confines of your disabilities.
Second, if you upon reflection determine there is indeed enough pleasure you derive from this game, then simply move your operations, and begin to be more selective in who you help.
There are a great many great people in this game imo. There are a large number of immature, spoiled brats, with no life, whose pleasure comes from ruining the day of people like you describe yourself. And there are a good number of just plain old malicious people.
So, think about that. The more you complain about it, the more enjoyment you unintentionally provide such players as the ones who attacked you.
As the game is, they all have as much right to the game and their version of fun as those whom I see as the great players in the game.
The key to en joying Eve imo is finding your niche for having fun, and working it.
And over time you will have to be able to adapt. Otherwise, you too shall pass.
One niche I might follow myself at some point is privately determining those I see as "bad", and secretly using my own resources and mind to make their life in Eve "less fun".
CEO, [ARB-I] |
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Seven Koskanaiken
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
289
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:40:00 -
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If you give something away for free for long enough people won't value it.
This happened in one alliance I was briefly in. One guy did the whole IT services for it by himself and from what I could tell it wasn't an easy workload, and all he got in return was whinging and whining and criticism. Why he put up with it I have no idea. |
Yusef Brion
Big Yellow Pidgeon Inc.
20
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:09:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:That's too bad, I'm looking to make a new friend just like you. Oh well. Yeah. Me too |
Lee Hekard
Photon Scorpions
16
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:35:00 -
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Just checked your info in-game, and took a look at your contract history. No evidence whatsoever of any PLEX exchange. Also, why would a player with such RL health issues make a blind avatar with a scarred face? Insp. Heckard is on the case and the evidence suggests that you sir are full of BS. Case closed. |
Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1358
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:52:00 -
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Sorry to hear about your medical condition, OP. Bring your possibles. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1122
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:05:00 -
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Roime wrote:Incursion runners are the cunts of EVE, don't worry about it.
You'll find that PVP players tend to be the more humane bunch, find a nice corp and enjoy New Eden :)
Yes, PvP players are wonderful people.... Like when Mittens suggested that thousands of people harass a guy so he commits suicide, or listen on soundcloud to that wonderful human being Grath.....
Yeah, PVP people are wonderful.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1122
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Go diving on the great barrier reef.
Is it possible for you to be even more of a jerk than you are now? How twisted do you have to be to torment some guy you have never met on a public forum? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8450
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:18:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Yes, PvP players are wonderful people.... Like when Mittens suggested that thousands of people harass a guy so he commits suicide, or listen on soundcloud to that wonderful human being Grath.....
Yeah, PVP people are wonderful.
sup nobody cares Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Andi Otsito
RedDawn Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:23:00 -
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Ravaun wrote:So I finally realized just how truly cold blooded Eve is. Alot of people will go QQ, I don't exactly care, I just thought I'd share how I finally realized it.
I have poor health in Real Life, tumors on my spine and around it. I have organs starting to fail, I just have little else I can do in RL but..well. Nothing, so I decided to focus on things to help people, I can't do it in RL, but I could in Eve. I ran incursions 18/7, so I could maintain a sizable ISK income, trying to plex people who needed it, on a daily basis, plex my self as needed, keep my ship going so I could stay at running incursions 18/7. I actively decided, to play Eve, to carebear. I decided, that if I was ganked, I'd not fight back, but infact, ask if I could do any thing to make their future game play more pleasurable, if they needed help PLEXING to stay in game. Some people haven't the RL finnances to maintain their game after all.
I got burned by the group I flew with, every one told me I was just being trolled, but how often do you troll some one that isn't involved with running a community, and not state they are welcome back?
Ultimately, I realized, I wasn't actually valued in the Eve Community for what I did. No one -cares- cares about it. Eve is a pretty cold place in the end. Fortunately, with the amount of PLEX I bought for my self, I can snicker that it's pretty likely my account will expire -after- I do. Maybe I shouldn't find this funny, but I do. A MMO account out lives the owner.
So let the troll posts begin against me, but it doesn't really matter, I can no longer sustain my play style in Eve Online. Don't really hate the game as a whole, but it showed me how bitter and cold people are. I guess I should have seen it coming after how often you read about being ****** over in one way or another in this game. It's alot like betting on the Horses; one moment it's fine, the next your wiped out and begging in the soup kitchen. I could probably plex my self for eternity on strip mining, but that doesn't let me do what I really wanted from Eve; to help others in game, as I can no longer do so in Real Life.
Sorry to hear about your condition mate, Just remember it's a game and the internet in general is full of aresholes and tosspots.
I hope you continue playing, but good luck with your RL problem, it's infinitely more important.
Andi |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
496
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:26:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:A person who has to constantly talk trash about people who are different from them is simply displaying their own ego problems.
My answer to all things Jenn. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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AligatorVer1337
The Black Talon Assult Force A T O N E M E N T
5
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:27:00 -
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I'm against this entire highsec bears suck and low sec and null sec rules and otherway around. It's just the playstyle and what you want to take out back of the game you pay. It's pretty logical to me and makes sense as well.
For example: Some people just don't have the time to be active as it is asked of most low/null sec corps. They decide to stuff where people don't have to rely on their activity so they go kill npc's maybe even get into lore and what not. If they have the fun, why not let them do? It is just a game, that's a fact. But bash on people doing what they do because you like the stuff you do more.
Another thing - and I'm pointing this to you OP - is that piracy, scamming, ganking, awoxing are just playstyles as well. You've done right letting them do the thing they do - you couldn't stop em anyways, but that's another thing. I detest the spy's all over calmil as well but what can I do? Nothing isn't the answer. Overcome it is.
They booted you from their channels and took away your home? I'm pretty damn sure you've made some friends till now with your chivalry. ASK them to help you to compete with the old incursion community. Turn your back against them and start doing what you've been doing all the time. The 'friends' let you fall? **** it you have enough ISKies probably to hire a goddamn mercenary corp just to get them incursioning them with you and take all the iskies away from them.
Eve is a game, as I see it, where there's no situation of having no problem at all. In fact there's problem everywhere. In every ******* corner, may it be high sec or null sec, low sec or militia warfare, other carebearing activities or simple piracy and scamming. The fun part of the game is to overcome these problem by solutions.
My 2 cents.
TL;DR: Don't give up on the first time jita gate telling you to **** off. |
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