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Brutus Otsito
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:01:00 -
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Now if I understand correctly, EVE can be played completely free if you make more than 550 million isk a month. Is that a large proportion of EVE's playerbase? How do CCP make money if people can play completely free? |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:04:00 -
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Nothing is free. The PLEX people buy with ingame ISK (InterStellar Kredits (not Icelandic Kroner, contrary to popular belief)) are bought with real money outside of the game.
-> CCP sells PLEX for monGé¼-Ñ$ -> EVE player sells PLEX ingame on the, mostly, player driven market for ISK -> another EVE player buys it with ISK.
Game time is extended, EVE player #1 gets his ISK, EVE player #2 gets his game time and CCP get their cash monGé¼-Ñ$. pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:06:00 -
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Brutus Otsito wrote:Now if I understand correctly, EVE can be played completely free if you make more than 550 million isk a month. Is that a large proportion of EVE's playerbase? How do CCP make money if people can play completely free?
Each PLEX (the item you have to buy to play for "free") is paid for by another player.
There's quite a lot of people who prefers paying a bit extra and not having to bother about grinding for isk in game.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Brutus Otsito
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:09:00 -
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Oh, I just thought people just paid direclty in isk. So PLEX cannot be crafted or anything? |
Nayo Renyk
New Eden Armored Dragoons
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:19:00 -
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No they can't. It should also be noted that if you look at prices CCP actually makes more off plex sales as they cost more than a months subscription. |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:26:00 -
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Brutus Otsito wrote:Oh, I just thought people just paid direclty in isk. So PLEX cannot be crafted or anything?
I wish. No, they are bought as the previous poster mentioned.
1 PLEX = Gé¼19,95 2 PLEX = Gé¼34,99 6 PLEX = Gé¼104,97 12 PLEX = Gé¼209,94 28 PLEX = Gé¼489,86
1 Month subscription = Gé¼14,95 total 3 Month sub. = Gé¼38,85 6 Month sub. = Gé¼71,70 12 Month sub. = Gé¼131,40
As you can see, subscribing is actually...cheaper. 1 PLEX = 30 days. pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:28:00 -
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Brutus Otsito wrote:Oh, I just thought people just paid direclty in isk. So PLEX cannot be crafted or anything?
not unless you can hack the CCP systems, the actual game, player accounts, the plex shop, any other checking systems and avoid detection. But if you can do all that why are you so worried about 10 of local currency.
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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:32:00 -
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Brutus Otsito wrote:Now if I understand correctly, EVE can be played completely free if you make more than 550 million isk a month. Is that a large proportion of EVE's playerbase? How do CCP make money if people can play completely free?
Every PLEX you buy from market, is put there by originally by another player who at some point bought it from CCP paying real world currency of it.
And not all people grind isk for PLEX-¦s every month. Im sure i could grind isk to play my 4 accounts for free, but i rather try have fun and pay by cash instead. I buy 2 GTC monthly.
It would start to feel too much like second job if i would every month need to gain that 2+ bil isk to play for free. We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:12:00 -
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Many people who play EVE are adults with solid jobs and 20 euros a month is less than the beer money they use in a week. |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:27:00 -
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There's also the other little perks they sell out-of-game: aurum for the stuff sold in the NeX stores, etc. Plenty of people are willing to drop good real-world money to buy their characters things like goggles, the monocle, a sexy fitted black skirt or whatever. |
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darmwand
Repo.
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:04:00 -
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Trudeaux Margaret wrote:There's also the other little perks they sell out-of-game: aurum for the stuff sold in the NeX stores, etc. Plenty of people are willing to drop good real-world money to buy their characters things like goggles, the monocle, a sexy fitted black skirt or whatever.
Still no hats though.
Also, there's the strangely underwhelming EVE store. Seeing how they don't add more items to it I assume they are already making enough money... "Imagine it is war and everybody cloaks." -- Bienator II |
Ichi Takiwa
Night Raven Task Force The Rieos Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:07:00 -
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Seems to me like it's all a Ponzi scheme. EVE feeds on new players that pay to win by buying PLEX. I'm about to hit my re-sub date in a week or two, and when I was looking at the pay options, PLEX was the most expensive. No thanks, I'll do the 3 month plan. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:17:00 -
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Ichi Takiwa wrote:Seems to me like it's all a Ponzi scheme. EVE feeds on new players that pay to win by buying PLEX. I'm about to hit my re-sub date in a week or two, and when I was looking at the pay options, PLEX was the most expensive. No thanks, I'll do the 3 month plan.
Not pay to win.
Pay to not have to grind out your isk.
All your skills are still low (unless you buy a character).
And it's all gone quickly. It's not like a plex is particularly expensive. For some people, the price is worth not having to go and do PvE Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Ichi Takiwa
Night Raven Task Force The Rieos Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:24:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ichi Takiwa wrote:Seems to me like it's all a Ponzi scheme. EVE feeds on new players that pay to win by buying PLEX. I'm about to hit my re-sub date in a week or two, and when I was looking at the pay options, PLEX was the most expensive. No thanks, I'll do the 3 month plan. Not pay to win. Pay to not have to grind out your isk. All your skills are still low (unless you buy a character). And it's all gone quickly. It's not like a plex is particularly expensive. For some people, the price is worth not having to go and do PvE
I think you just hit the nail on the head regarding the OP's question. |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:28:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Many people who play EVE are adults with solid jobs and 20 euros a month is less than the beer money they use in a week.
/slightly off topic
This is a fun conversation to have with people who don't do/get gaming. If a person can go drop $20 on a pack of beer and relax and have a good time with friends, why is that any different than dropping $20 on a game subscription where you can relax and have a good time with friends?
Show me where you can get beer for a month for $20. At least I'm getting my money's worth. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:32:00 -
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Kyseth wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Many people who play EVE are adults with solid jobs and 20 euros a month is less than the beer money they use in a week. /slightly off topic This is a fun conversation to have with people who don't do/get gaming. If a person can go drop $20 on a pack of beer and relax and have a good time with friends, why is that any different than dropping $20 on a game subscription where you can relax and have a good time with friends? Show me where you can get beer for a month for $20. At least I'm getting my money's worth.
Or go see a film for a couple of hours. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Jonah Gravenstein
Matah Kagmi Designs
11282
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:34:00 -
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PLEX was put in place to give CCP some control over the usual RMT that goes on in any MMO. This way they get the money not some gold-farmer in downtown Wherethefukami.
It's not pay to win, it's pay so you don't have to worry about where that next T3 you just whelped is coming from
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Ichi Takiwa
Night Raven Task Force The Rieos Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:42:00 -
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Maybe pay to win was the wrong term. I'm not judging. But the basic mechanic seems to be that the most expensive game time option seem to be the most popular with folks who want to focus on PvP, which coincidentaly is also the biggest drain on the ISK purchased with that PLEX.
CCP made this amazing game possible, and if they were also clever enough to take the wind out of the ISK farmers' sails then more power to them. It's just not an option I'm interested in. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Matah Kagmi Designs
11282
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Posted - 2013.07.25 17:52:00 -
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Ichi Takiwa wrote:Maybe pay to win was the wrong term. I'm not judging. But the basic mechanic seems to be that the most expensive game time option seem to be the most popular with folks who want to focus on PvP, which coincidentaly is also the biggest drain on the ISK purchased with that PLEX.
CCP made this amazing game possible, and if they were also clever enough to take the wind out of the ISK farmers' sails then more power to them. It's just not an option I'm interested in. lol you'll find people get very tetchy if you mention RMT, pay to win or free to play on the forums. As you say, Plex is an option, some people use Isk to purchase them to pay for game time, others buy them for cash and sell them for Isk, to the former, to feed their PvP habits or purchase that billion Isk pirate battleship.
The system works, CCP make more money, people can pay for game time with Isk, people can exchange real life cash for Isk, or Aurum if they want, and it's all above board. Everybody who touches Plex wins, unless they undock with it in cargo, in which case they deserve everything they get
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:56:00 -
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Since I work 40hrs a week I don't feel like grinding when I finally log into Eve, I'm on the annual plan and happy to pay for my subscription. After all, the IRL cost of playing Eve Online on a single account is as expensive as a subscription to the Donald Duck...
As a 31 year old programmer I am exactly one wife away from having an actual life, but the way it is now I have no financial obligations apart from rent and whatever the state can shake out of my pockets. My time however, is too valuable to grind ISK for PLEX.
All the ISK I make ingame can freely be spent, it's very liberating not having to worry about bumping my subscription. I'm more then happy to pay for my account and not having to grind out 500m every month. |
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Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:49:00 -
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If it weren't for selling PLEX in-game I'd never play Eve, it would be too much like a job. But I wish there was a tad more bonus to buying lots of PLEX in one go, because losing lets say 1.5B on a few battleships in a month can be expensive (that's a full regular game you can play for ten years if you want to). Bought 28 a month ago and I'm down to 22, and I've not lost any ships yet. I also wish the skills everyone must train (like armor HP, shield HP, agility etc) came included in the price of the game, because its a really expensive game when you put PLEX on top of subscription on top of training for months on end until you can be barely useful in fleet-engagements (you need enough skills to be able to jump into whatever fit your FC requires, ideally). |
Obunagawe
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Posted - 2013.07.28 13:53:00 -
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Unfortunately for many people EVE quickly becomes a second job where PLEX is "food" and if you don't make enough isk to afford food each month you will starve and die! |
Dobie Mercault
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.28 20:50:00 -
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This is why everyone should learn to fly a Rifter at some point. |
Robby Altair
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Posted - 2013.07.28 23:50:00 -
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Brutus Otsito wrote:Now if I understand correctly, EVE can be played completely free if you make more than 550 million isk a month. Is that a large proportion of EVE's playerbase? How do CCP make money if people can play completely free?
Investors. Oh yeah,... and the stuff above. Right.
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Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias
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Posted - 2013.07.29 20:48:00 -
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Brutus Otsito wrote:Now if I understand correctly, EVE can be played completely free if you make more than 550 million isk a month. Is that a large proportion of EVE's playerbase? How do CCP make money if people can play completely free?
Think of buying PLEX as paying someone else to mine for you. You get ~500 million ISK without having to do any in-game work, they get to play the game for free. In the end, you paid slightly more than double, so CCP actually makes more money from PLEX. |
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