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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1123
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:39:00 -
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War is over. BL was bought off. PL was likely bought off.
Test leadership already knows if they want any stake in null sec income streams under the new blue blanket, they will stop this now. goons know it is good business to force terms of a test surrender and start making use of the tightest stranglehold of T2 materials ever witnessed on Tranquility.
The goons examined the business model on the Chinese server, and saw that it was good.
test leadership will be given a taste of some wealth under new paradigm, as will Black Legion, and PL always has their hand out. But if goons were rolling in cash before the war, they will be drowning in it now.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
514
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:41:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Now now you make it sound so hopeless. They have N3, the coalition formed just to kill the CFC. I thought that N3 realised that TEST only defended the forums, not Fountain. Brb, Calling Goon Style forum CTA. I'd rather you folks had called such a CTA this morning.
With morning I assume Amerifat Prime? Sorry mate, but they are incompetent. EU reigns supreme with us. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
335
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:19:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Brb, Calling Goon Style forum CTA. I'd rather you folks had called such a CTA this morning. With morning I assume Amerifat Prime? Sorry mate, but they are incompetent. EU reigns supreme with us. Actually no. I meant morning by UTC standards, so what amounts to AUTZ. In the end, I'm there to shoot goons. If TEST agrees on that purpose, stop stalling.
Falin Whalen wrote:Trouble is they have been, and that is what they got. I mean who can resist the battlecry of "Stop being poor." that would get my blood up and make me log in, right? Less than a percent of TEST forms up to final system timers. Being poor might be a part of why they're not in T2 or battleships, but BC's, Cruisers, Bomber wings etc. have a justification too, evermore since the rebalances. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8472
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:49:00 -
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test once sat amongst the lords of the north until they chose to plot against the other lords, which was unwelcome
they are getting their just comeuppance as a reminder of why they chose the wrong company Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3885
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:War is over. BL was bought off. PL was likely bought off.
Test leadership already knows if they want any stake in null sec income streams under the new blue blanket, they will stop this now. goons know it is good business to force terms of a test surrender and start making use of the tightest stranglehold of T2 materials ever witnessed on Tranquility.
The goons examined the business model on the Chinese server, and saw that it was good.
test leadership will be given a taste of some wealth under new paradigm, as will Black Legion, and PL always has their hand out. But if goons were rolling in cash before the war, they will be drowning in it now. But progodlegend said N3 only exists to fight the CFC they will never stand for this, There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. Fountain will never fall. Deklein by September. Thought is not heresy, wrong thought is.
PL, NC., N3, Tribe, 401k, you are our only hope ! ~TEST2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3885
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:53:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Trouble is they have been, and that is what they got. I mean who can resist the battlecry of "Stop being poor." that would get my blood up and make me log in, right? Do you have access to any hangars in TEST alliance? Like the logstics hangars or something... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. Fountain will never fall. Deklein by September. Thought is not heresy, wrong thought is.
PL, NC., N3, Tribe, 401k, you are our only hope ! ~TEST2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3885
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:55:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Now now you make it sound so hopeless. They have N3, the coalition formed just to kill the CFC. Iol N3.. lots of spirit and they talk a good talk but they were never a real threat to CFC. What, you actually believe that?
Talk about drinking the goonie koolaid There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. Fountain will never fall. Deklein by September. Thought is not heresy, wrong thought is.
PL, NC., N3, Tribe, 401k, you are our only hope ! ~TEST2013 |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1033
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:38:00 -
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Didn't happen.
i look at my clock and agenda and it says: 27/07/2013
I'll be back latter when all those things happen. By the way think about ping fleet, I'm on for rails Mega one.
Edit: thanks for those invaluable tips *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1158
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Posted - 2013.07.27 03:09:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:War is over. BL was bought off. PL was likely bought off.
As a leader in the Incursion community where do I get in line for these GoonBuck bribes for our SRF's /me rattles his tincup in hope for a 500M ISK deposit An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4411
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Posted - 2013.07.27 04:40:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:The result of the war was never in doubt, the only thing that was, was the how long it would take the CFC to win.
With all due respect to TEST they do not have the organisation, tactics, manpower, metagame or isk to compete with the CFC.
People should give lots of credit for the initial fight TEST put up and not just rolling over but yeah, CFC was always going to win this war.
The horrible reality of it is, and this is something I have said a number of times, the only way CFC will ever lose is if they self destruct and that is very unlikely to ever happen.
Oh, I dunno.
It wouldn't be the first time... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3886
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Posted - 2013.07.27 04:45:00 -
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Our sov bills, eh... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. Fountain will never fall. Deklein by September. Thought is not heresy, wrong thought is.
PL, NC., N3, Tribe, 401k, you are our only hope ! ~TEST2013 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1161
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Posted - 2013.07.27 05:57:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Our sov bills, eh...
Ahhh yes, the woes of the rich what's next you going to start screaming the rent is too damn high An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.07.27 06:16:00 -
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Sounds exciting. I would love to watch but I am getting my hair done that day. See you in Empire in August. |
Major Killz
SniggWaffe
227
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:37:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:War is over. BL was bought off. PL was likely bought off.
Test leadership already knows if they want any stake in null sec income streams under the new blue blanket, they will stop this now. goons know it is good business to force terms of a test surrender and start making use of the tightest stranglehold of T2 materials ever witnessed on Tranquility.
The goons examined the business model on the Chinese server, and saw that it was good.
test leadership will be given a taste of some wealth under new paradigm, as will Black Legion, and PL always has their hand out. But if goons were rolling in cash before the war, they will be drowning in it now.
I have been in Test alliance please ignore and in leadership of what was the "Fountain coalition" as well as having characters within Dreddit and a handful of other Test alliance please ignore corporations as well as Tribal band. Not to mention within the "cluster fu*k Collation and Nulli Secunda. @ the height of these shenanigans I had 23 characters with various alliances in the west and south west.
The emperor never had any clothes to begin with. For example: Montilio always came off as passive aggressive with little to no insight or prospective on how to run an alliance. He mainly tried to copy Goonswarm Federation and to be honest they were able to do so to a certain extent. When it came to all the extras like forums, AUTH systems, diplomats and logistics. Basically a bureaucracy that was VERY SIZEABLE. What was left out was the most important in terms of sovereignty warfare. Test alliance please ignore has and continues to lack experienced strategic level fleet commanders or even ONE. Which meant they lacked significantly military. Which never really matted because they always had Goonswarm Federation to help with that area. Now, Test wasn't the only alliance who had and still does have this issue. There are many alliances within the cluster fu*k coalition who seaside military matters to Goonswarm on the strategic level. But! Even on the tactical level and in terms of understanding the current META dynamics of warfare within Eve Online or developing new innovative tactics and strategies or truly understanding them. Test NEVER had a fleet commander THAT capable. I mean you don't even need many of them JUST ONE. Look at nulli secunda and Progodlegend who's not really even that good or Elo Knight who is that good or Lacco who is that good or MAK who is that good (-A-). Many of these fleet commanders have no life and spend most of thier time in game.
Test alliance please ignore under Montilio NEVER spent significant time focusing on developing a serious and large team of fleet commanders. He and most in Test leadership always relied on their size, diplomacy and Goonswarm federation to handle everything else. Basically Montilio focused on building a bureaucracy to manage Test alliance please ignore. While ignoring the overall point of building the bureaucracy. To help fund and equip a large military force for defence and offensive purposes. Lead by competent commanders.
Instead they focused on things like Propaganda? Goonswarm and the Cluster fu*k coalition wins because they win WARS. You don't win wars with incompetent fleet commanders and pilots. Propaganda is an internal motivator not an external one. You use spies and diplomacy to flip directors or help bolster internal discord. A member placed in an alliance who constantly questions leadership and points out mistakes ALOT can do wonders in undermining any effort and hurting overall moral of that entity.
However, Test alliance is not doing anything like that. Making pictures and spamming them in local is amusing but that does not win wars. When you have a military director asking people to focus on Propaganda images instead of focusing on gaining more experience and learning from your mistakes. Just shows a serious disconnect or lack of experience PERIOD.
One of the worst and great thing about test alliance please ignore is its culture. By that I mean whelping is something they strive to do and it can be fun as well as getting into funny situations. Now Test alliance has always had a ship replacement program which helped them continue this practice in times of relative peace indefinitely. However, the downside of this culture tom foolery is that members did not learn from their mistakes or strived to improve themselves. This actually scaled to leadership. Now its ok for regular members to think and act this was as long as they can follow orders. But! Leadership cannot maintain that level of incompetence and hope that their entity would survive. Goonswarm members are alot like test in that they whelp often but the real difference there is that the LEADERSHIP is not incompetent. Goonswarms leadership is very competent and good. I'm referring to what has been allowing the cluster fu*k coalition to WIN. Their fleet commanders.
Something I did not like while I was in fountain back when BDEAL just fail cascaded. There's a serious effort not to innovate within Test culture. For example; when I suggested that you may want to improve your Rifter setup and here are some tactics and strategies to help you win an engagement instead of whelping. The first response I got was "No" the whole point is to whelp. How about you switch from rifters to merlins which would provide alot more staying power and scale to your engagements? "NO" RIFTA or GTFO. I tried to make the point that whelping is an outcome that happens even with the best of pilots and fleet commanders but going out entirely for that purpose makes no sense to me. I can understand that if you're an entity that fools around on the weekends in low or high sec, but null is serious biz. If you are in null you are playing in serious mode. So how is focusing on whlping going to help your members and fleet commanders improve? "shoulder shrug". - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon (June 13, 2013) - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Major Killz
SniggWaffe
227
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:57:00 -
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Test Alliance Please Ignore should never had sovereignty to begin with. Everything they have or have had was given to them by Goonswarm Federation. This alliance has never earned their place on that map, EVER.
They have been a case study in ignorance, misplaced arrogance, mismanagement and delusion for far to long. Their style of game-play does not lend it self to the seriousness of 0.0. There style of game-play is more Red versus Blue or Brave Newbies.
Montolio had aspirations that he could not accomplish because he never understood where his alliance was lacking or if he did could not figure out a way to improve it. When the time came to do something he always choose the easy route which always lead Test alliance please ignore into the pocket of some other more competent entity. Be it Pandemic Legion or Goonswarm Federation.
While in Delve. He thought he was the head of this new and vast coalition only to find out even if he was he did not have the leadership militarily to use it. Which meant he was subject to the whims of Pandemic Legion who at the time were having activity issues and had no interest in burning out their commanders to prosecute a war for some fool.
At the end of the day Test alliance please ignore was back to where they started off and with a BIG weakness that they continued to ignore. ONLY now do they truly understand what not having competent military leadership means to an alliance on its OWN. FAILURE. Allies can often give an illusion of strength where there is none. So can being able to field large numbers of combatants.
Test has to now figure out if they want to continue being a relaxed not so serious alliance. If so then their leadership must pick up the slack or they should go back to high security space and be like Brave Newbies. Or! Will they remove all those who are not serious about improving themselves and focus on being allot more militaristic with allot less expansive ship replacement program which has only helped to encourage incompetence. Which is why all those 1337 alliance require members to be self-sufficient in the first place instead of rewarding foolishness.
In any-case there's still the possibility someone will come to save Test from themselves = ) destroying the cluster fu*k coalition is a worthy goal and many are keen on the idea. However the task seems to hard for many to commit to it. - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon (June 13, 2013) - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1248
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Posted - 2013.07.27 15:18:00 -
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i don't think 'clusterfuck' is censored, actually |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1162
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:15:00 -
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LOL any1 fill out a reinforce node requet petition yet? An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
103
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:04:00 -
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Meh, I might bomb by. |
Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:06:00 -
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I logged off my Oneiros pilot in system so I wont have to experience undock Tidi |
Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:07:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Test Alliance Please Ignore should never had sovereignty to begin with. Everything they have or have had was given to them by Goonswarm Federation. This alliance has never earned their place on that map, EVER
Wow lookit waffles with the 100% realtalk
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Lemok Sonji
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
55
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:28:00 -
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May I ask what is so special about 6VDT-H that all the rest of the stations were barely defended, that now TEST are finally bringing their BS fleet out of the shadows? For the last week or so that I have been looking at the what is happening there, goons seem to just steam roll everything without much resistance.
(No disrespect or anything. I'm just confused on what is happening there). |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.07.28 16:38:00 -
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gl and hf guys stay frosty |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
343
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Posted - 2013.07.28 17:26:00 -
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Lemok Sonji wrote:May I ask what is so special about 6VDT-H that all the rest of the stations were barely defended, that now TEST are finally bringing their BS fleet out of the shadows? For the last week or so that I have been looking at the what is happening there, goons seem to just steam roll everything without much resistance.
(No disrespect or anything. I'm just confused on what is happening there). The last roughly 10 days are those where CFC has gained most of their current winnings. Before that, most systems were lost or won after big fights or non-contested by CFC. When 6VD is an important system it's because it is the "ancestral home" of TEST in Fountain. Before CFC took Delve to TEST, 6VD was their main stage and regular home, making it not just a station with likely a lot of assets that can be locked, but also a win here for TEST could mean a morale win. It's a shield timer so losing it this time is technically not necessarily an issue, but with history as it has been ... If TEST can bring it around, this would probably be the time they need to show it. |
Khadann
Skull Bearers
51
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Posted - 2013.07.28 17:29:00 -
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i'll make sure to watch that on mad-ani stream :) |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
400
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Posted - 2013.07.28 18:24:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Err. So I head over there and get blown up by TEST if CFC don't get me first. What a great deal. Just bring an AFK cloaky I hear NULL is scared of them
I don't think they're mining in 6VD at the moment. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
1162
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Posted - 2013.07.28 20:55:00 -
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Khadann wrote:i'll make sure to watch that on mad-ani stream :)
http://www.twitch.tv/mad_ani An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
482
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:01:00 -
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This is the best stream for video footage by a long shot: http://www.twitch.tv/daopa |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3894
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:08:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Err. So I head over there and get blown up by TEST if CFC don't get me first. What a great deal. Just bring an AFK cloaky I hear NULL is scared of them I don't think they're mining in 6VD at the moment. So you think... There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. Fountain will never fall. Deklein by September. Thought is not heresy, wrong thought is.
PL, NC., N3, Tribe, 401k, you are our only hope ! ~TEST2013 |
Dunpeal Hunter
Zervas Aeronautics Tribal Band
3
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:14:00 -
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i am in 6VDT-H right now, years from now i can boast about it to new eve yuppies and noobs who joined eve a few months ago and say: I WAS THERE
BTW: tidi is T E R R I B L E. I can't do **** without taking it forever. But thats to be expected with right now 3766 ppl in local :D |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
348
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Posted - 2013.07.28 21:24:00 -
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Dunpeal Hunter wrote:i am in 6VDT-H right now, years from now i can boast about it to new eve yuppies and noobs who joined eve a few months ago and say: I WAS THERE
BTW: tidi is T E R R I B L E. I can't do **** without taking it forever. But thats to be expected with right now 3766 ppl in local :D
Better than the server crashing, if you ever got blackscreened pre-TiDi this is a lot better
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