Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Jet Maniac
uW0T M8
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 15:15:00 -
[1] - Quote
Hey all,
I have recently started doing PVE missions in highsec due to some null sec turmoil. I dual box 2 toons. 1 flies Gallente Caps/BS's. The other flies virtually everything up to T3, very comfortably.
Toon 1 (CAP) has VERY high drone skills. Toon 2, not so much but I'm glad to train them.
I'm wondering if there is a good combo fit to fly in L4's for a something along the lines of this:
Toon 1: Megathron Navy Issue DPS. Toon 2: Tengu/Proteus support?
I'd like for Toon 2 to support Toon 1 via Drone salvaging/looting/repairs. The T3 seems less than ideal for this.
What do? Thanks!
|
Whitehound
1712
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 15:26:00 -
[2] - Quote
Jet Maniac wrote:Hey all,
I have recently started doing PVE missions in highsec due to some null sec turmoil. I dual box 2 toons. 1 flies Gallente Caps/BS's. The other flies virtually everything up to T3, very comfortably.
Toon 1 (CAP) has VERY high drone skills. Toon 2, not so much but I'm glad to train them.
I'm wondering if there is a good combo fit to fly in L4's for a something along the lines of this:
Toon 1: Megathron Navy Issue DPS. Toon 2: Tengu/Proteus support?
I'd like for Toon 2 to support Toon 1 via Drone salvaging/looting/repairs. The T3 seems less than ideal for this.
What do? Thanks!
Use Toon 1 (with drones skills) in a Dominix and use Toon 2 in a brawler:
Toon 1 jumps out with an MJD, launches sentries and set them to assists Toon 2. Toon 2 then tanks and kills whatever comes its way.
You will not have to watch Toon 1 much and can play comfortably with Toon 2 and have the full DPS of drones to assist you. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Jet Maniac
uW0T M8
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 15:32:00 -
[3] - Quote
That sounds like a really fun idea. Presumably 'Toon 2' in a Tengu is more than enough to clear L4's while 'Toon 1' is out of range?
Also, is it an issue if 'Toon 2' can't get L4's on his own? I've been grinding standing on 'Toon 1' since he's my primary. I imagine that if it's possible I just need to fleet up and 'Toon 2' can access the mission by warping with primary? |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
242
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 15:32:00 -
[4] - Quote
If Toon 2 can fly battleships as well, then quite possibly you might be best served by putting Toon 1 into a Dominix instead of a Megathron - leverage the heavy drone skills that way, and perhaps also carry salvage and logistics drones, and put Toon 2 into another battleship or a Tengu for pure fire support. Or if Toon 2 can fly a Marauder of some flavor, then use that as your salvage platform, or perhaps put Toon 2 into a Myrmidon with tractors and logi, salvage, and combat drones.
ED: oops, ninja'd.
As to Toon 2 lacking the connections to get L4's, that's no problem. So long as Toon 1 and Toon 2 are fleeted up, Toon 1 can lead the way to the in-gate for the mission complex, and then let Toon 2 take the lead. If rewards are split, then that'll also help buff Toon 2's standings. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Jet Maniac
uW0T M8
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 15:39:00 -
[5] - Quote
Marc Callan wrote:If Toon 2 can fly battleships as well, then quite possibly you might be best served by putting Toon 1 into a Dominix instead of a Megathron - leverage the heavy drone skills that way, and perhaps also carry salvage and logistics drones, and put Toon 2 into another battleship or a Tengu for pure fire support. Or if Toon 2 can fly a Marauder of some flavor, then use that as your salvage platform, or perhaps put Toon 2 into a Myrmidon with tractors and logi, salvage, and combat drones.
ED: oops, ninja'd.
As to Toon 2 lacking the connections to get L4's, that's no problem. So long as Toon 1 and Toon 2 are fleeted up, Toon 1 can lead the way to the in-gate for the mission complex, and then let Toon 2 take the lead. If rewards are split, then that'll also help buff Toon 2's standings.
Roger that.
Sadly, Toon 2 is pretty far off from flying BS'. Not likely to take him that route.
So if I understand:
Toon 1: Big Drone boat. Assist drones to Toon 2. MJD out. Idle Toon 2: Run Tengu and or Myrmidon. Fit combat drones and logi/salvage. Lol while circling L4 rats as they get wrecked by drones?
If so, I like that. Or did I misinterpret? |
Whitehound
1712
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 15:44:00 -
[6] - Quote
Jet Maniac wrote:That sounds like a really fun idea. Presumably 'Toon 2' in a Tengu is more than enough to clear L4's while 'Toon 1' is out of range?
Also, is it an issue if 'Toon 2' can't get L4's on his own? I've been grinding standing on 'Toon 1' since he's my primary. I imagine that if it's possible I just need to fleet up and 'Toon 2' can access the mission by warping with primary? Can be a Tengu, but can be a Loki or a Proteus, too. A Loki can web and paint the target for full drone damage and the Proteus can bring extra DPS for killing frigates and cruisers faster. Mission-/agent-wise is it not an issue. Just make sure Toon 2 gets the mission items before completing the mission, if there are any. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Jet Maniac
uW0T M8
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 16:06:00 -
[7] - Quote
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to setup this up tonight.
Is there any benefit to using the Dominix Navy Issue given my composition/plan?? I'll most likely use a Tengu on Toon 2 since he already owns one. Thanks again! |
Whitehound
1712
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 16:10:00 -
[8] - Quote
Jet Maniac wrote:Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to setup this up tonight.
Is there any benefit to using the Dominix Navy Issue given my composition/plan?? I'll most likely use a Tengu on Toon 2 since he already owns one. Thanks again! No, use the Dominix. Only it has got the bonus you need for doing this:
Gallente Battleship skill bonus per level: 10% bonus to Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints 10% bonus to Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Jet Maniac
uW0T M8
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 16:12:00 -
[9] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Jet Maniac wrote:Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to setup this up tonight.
Is there any benefit to using the Dominix Navy Issue given my composition/plan?? I'll most likely use a Tengu on Toon 2 since he already owns one. Thanks again! No, use the Dominix. Only it has got the bonus you need for doing this: Gallente Battleship skill bonus per level: 10% bonus to Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints 10% bonus to Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed
Understood. I think the sources I checked are out of date because I didn't see those benefits at that value. Thanks again! |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
390
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 18:49:00 -
[10] - Quote
if you fit domi the right way it can provide you with 800 dps from drones and then if you don't mind loosing out dps from tengu you can fit it with bunch of 48km tractors and salvagers 4 mopping wrecks on the go. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
|
|
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
617
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 19:05:00 -
[11] - Quote
New ishtar+domi might be worth looking into. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
321
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 20:29:00 -
[12] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine wrote:New ishtar+domi might be worth looking into.
1600 afk deepz! You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
52
|
Posted - 2013.07.29 21:14:00 -
[13] - Quote
For Tengu+Domi: 800 from Domi's drones 900-1000 from HAMs (kinetic only though) |
Cage Man
246
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 03:33:00 -
[14] - Quote
Tengu RS combo works great. Tengu can shoot cruiser down and RS(or domi) shoots BS down. Reason I say RS over domi is you can fit a decent shield tank and still have space for 4 x DDA's in the lows. When I did this I used HML's int he tengu and made the RS cap stable with a large SB. Assign drones to assist tengu so you don't have to keep switching over. Split 1 launcher away from the group and use it to get the assigned drones shooting. Use sentries for this. Didn't use HAM's as I didn't want to be limited to to range and have to keep switching ammo... but whatever works The thick plottens... |
Rain6638
Team Evil
565
|
Posted - 2013.07.30 04:13:00 -
[15] - Quote
i vote cruisers. [ 2013.06.21 09:52:05 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1337 yo dawg, we heard you liek industrials, so we put an industrial in yo industrial so you can loss while u loss |
Madalina Mei
Lone Star capital
0
|
Posted - 2013.07.31 00:15:00 -
[16] - Quote
I use a T2 MJD sentry Domi and an Ishtar. The main reason I fly these two ships is because of their ability to apply damage to almost all rat types via Sentries. Another advantage is that your drones are not affected by tracking disruptors and ECM if you set their aggression accordingly. Also, Ishtar may be outclassed by cheaper hulls like a prophecy in terms of isk efficiency but i prefer to fly a HAC. For blood/sansha I just whip out my baddon or paladin, assist drones from Domi, and melt missions in 5-10 min(full clear). If you can just bookmark a wreck in each room and run 5- 10 missions then come back and hoover up salvage and loot with your noctis if you have one. I like to salvage like this to give myself a quick break between mission sets. Rinse/repeat for 20-60 mil/hour depending on your playstyle/skillset. Feel free to criticize me, but this is my cup of tea.
TL:DR Domi-Ishtar for most missions, Domi-any lazor ship for blood/sansha |
mama guru
Thundercats The Initiative.
141
|
Posted - 2013.07.31 05:15:00 -
[17] - Quote
Jet Maniac wrote:Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to setup this up tonight.
Is there any benefit to using the Dominix Navy Issue given my composition/plan?? I'll most likely use a Tengu on Toon 2 since he already owns one. Thanks again!
I Run a Tengu and a Dominix, it's a very easy setup. Having a 750 DPS sentrycarrier to assist makes it **** easy to apply all the DPS without delay compared to 2x Machariels which requires Macros or korean micromanagement abilities to run well. With 1700 DPS on field you should not need to MJD around much, but you can if you feel it's safer. I'd just fit Cap and a 500+ tank.
Fit a run of the mill HAM tengu and a Sentry Dominix. You don't want to use a big battleship as your 2nd toon unless it's a Machariel or a Vargur. Cruise Raven Navy Issue can work, however you will waste a few volleys due to sentry drones much higher rate of fire, especially vs smaller targets.
Machariel + Dominix is just Nasty, and even better than the Tengu. ______
EVE online is the fishermans friend of MMO's. If it's too hard you are too weak. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1615
|
Posted - 2013.07.31 14:53:00 -
[18] - Quote
OP, before you click this link, I want you to ask yourself: how hoss are you feeling today.
this is a setup with two possible cruiser drone carriers, and three possible shot-callers. you didn't say what empire you are in, and I'm in Caldari space, so I used caldari resists. this is just to get you thinking smaller, not bigger.
-target painters on the frigates--cycle time on TPs is 10 s so you'll need to alternate. they're for activating the assisted sentries. -oversized afterburners to speed tank. -tractor beams cuz you mentioned salvage. -core probe launchers cuz you strike me as the type who would like to do some relaxing explo. -matching drone control range, TP range, and drone bunny targeting range. -T2 drone damage augs and omni tracking links, cuz you don't want to skimp there. -small sig resolutions and sig radiuses, excellent tracking--means very well-applied DPS. ---(1000 paper dps from sentries and torps will feel more like 2000 dps)
how you fly this setup:
warp in, get transversal, release sentries, initiate locks, assist drones, alternate F1 F2 on frigs
kill frigs first, especially webs first. you'll know which frigs to prioritize by the speed they're coming at you
the cruiser and frigates' speeds are similar-ish. if you're going to maintain a large radius arc for transversal, you can get away with setting the frigate to approach the cruiser and follow. you probably don't want the cruiser chasing the frig, because the frig will get away from you, making the cruiser's transversals sloppy, and you'll have to keep track of two sets of ranges.
both drone boats have a 100km drone control range. their targeting ranges, while shorter than their drone control ranges, are fine where they are; when your drones are set to assist, your drones will fire at their target as long as the drone boat and the drones are within drone control range. I tested this myself not more than a week ago.
the harpy and raptor require the targeting range script. the manticore requires the scan resolution script. (in fact, I suggest the manticore)
the ishtar and gila drone info/specs are identical--tracking, optimal, etc.
damage and resist profiles are optimal against gurista, mercs, mordu, serpentis, ...and CONCORD. ...
in the case of EM damage, those are from turrets weapons, and aside from changing your weapon damage type, you should be able to speed/sig tank and also use range to take on the EM laz0r weapon types.
special notes: -the harpy WILL survive. I run L4 harpys all the time. -harpy and crow get targeting range script. manticore gets scan res script. -to be honest, the raptor is just there to emphasize the idea of a small fast locking drone bunny. -with both the assault frig and manticore, obviously you end up chewing on cruisers and battleships together. the manticore allows you to contribute DPS sooner, from range. -I prefer the manticore option, due to its ability to fire javelin torps to damn near 90km (effective range) --with Rage torps loaded, its DPS is 250. -if you see spider drones in non-drone missions, kill those immediately. they web from 75km. -I'm about to try the manticore/gila setup myself.
--Lastly, another option I did not think to try was using a scimitar or oneiros (depending on whether you're armor or shields) as the drone bunny. they have ridiculously tiny sigs, and cap stable transfers.and you'll only need one.
actually... worm and scimi options with gila. the worm/gila combo has an active tank on top of the sig/speed tank. plus they can both equip tractors and salvage drones. Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
510
|
Posted - 2013.07.31 15:01:00 -
[19] - Quote
What I do, is have a nighthawk with heavy missiles (i've considered rapid missile launchers), mounting 1 T2 siege warfare link (the toon is mindlinked), and another toon fly a DPS battleship (which battleship depends on the opponent, but mainly a mach or a NM, sometimes a vindi or N Domi) The Nighthawk is tasked with killing the cruiser sized stuff, uses T1 light drones set to assist (because I don't want to watch two sets of drones at once).
It basically gives me more than a free invuln II, which means one can fit less tank, and apply more DPS.
I suppose just two DPS battleships may be faster, but that requires more switching between them.
Or for maximum lazyness, just have one alt be an OGB
|
Dachhan
Pnex Pwn Squad
2
|
Posted - 2013.07.31 15:30:00 -
[20] - Quote
Like Mama Guru said, The Mach and the Domi are just awesome together. . |
|
Rain6637
The Kissaki Syndicate
1632
|
Posted - 2013.08.03 19:22:00 -
[21] - Quote
better play with the sentry assist mechanic while it's still valid--assist nerf being an item on the "reasonable things" docket is worrisome, i think. Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Cage Man
247
|
Posted - 2013.08.04 19:41:00 -
[22] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:better play with the sentry assist mechanic while it's still valid--assist nerf being an item on the "reasonable things" docket is worrisome, i think.
you're such a doomsayer There are far more important things to be nerfing... errr balancing.. before then
The thick plottens... |
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |