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Lee Hekard
Photon Scorpions
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Posted - 2013.07.30 20:44:00 -
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Space may be big, but only relative to our own perception of size. For example, given a room that we must cross that is, say, six feet wide, we can measure the width of this room and plot an infinite number of points at any position from one side to the other. Now, we have to cross the room; but how do we do this when there are an infinite number of points to visit? |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1688
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Posted - 2013.07.30 20:45:00 -
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Mhm, yup, words. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.07.30 20:50:00 -
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Is this a 'Yo Momma is so fat' thread?
Also, giant moon based slingshot ala Wiley Coyote. Good for crossing rooms, states, countries and any interstellar distance. I wouldn't recommend attempting to cross any kind of canyon though, as it seems slingshot reliability over chasms is somewhat dodgy at best. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
674
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:44:00 -
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Whatever you say, Zeno.
Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:46:00 -
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Use calculus. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
674
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:47:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Use calculus.
Or just walk across the room. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
stoicfaux
2998
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:49:00 -
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Engineer's approximation will get you across. Also, I'm not a physicist, but the Planck Length/Constant should get you around the infinity problem.
And if you're in management, just have an underling cross the room for you. What good is power if you can't abuse it?
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Kazuma Ry
Further Logistics
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:50:00 -
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When you run into the problem of infinte numbers of points to visit from your initial starting point, you should plot the quickest route to a liquor source, and get too it asap.
This will solve the problem of visiting points of interest that don't contain liquor. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:50:00 -
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Lee Hekard wrote:Now, we have to cross the room; but how do we do this when there are an infinite number of points to visit? By realising the that the number of points in both time and space are finite.
As for the space travel, it's a lot easier. You just move space around the ship instead of moving the ship around in space. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
330
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Posted - 2013.07.30 21:57:00 -
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And if we follow M. Night Shaymalan cannon, the super soaker is the best weapon to have in an alien invasion. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
674
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:28:00 -
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Schalac wrote:And if we follow M. Night Shaymalan cannon, the super soaker is the best weapon to have in an alien invasion.
Water balloons.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
487
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:27:00 -
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I didnt actually read the OP, but you blew my mind anyway! :O |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
723
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:41:00 -
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You can force [part of] room to move you while you are staying "immobile": thing is called Alcubierre drive, I heard there are laboratory experiments already to confirm its possibility (NASA sponsor experiments to find out if it's possible to bend space-time in laboratory). |
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp Goonswarm Federation
889
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:34:00 -
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Lee Hekard wrote:Space may be big, but only relative to our own perception of size. For example, given a room that we must cross that is, say, six feet wide, we can measure the width of this room and plot an infinite number of points at any position from one side to the other. Now, we have to cross the room; but how do we do this when there are an infinite number of points to visit? because an infinite series (the time it takes to go between each point between you and the end of the room) can add up to a finite number |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:56:00 -
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This is where "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line" comes in to play. If you know your starting position and your destination, it becomes trivial to visit all the infinite points that are on that line by taking advantage of the fact that motion really doesn't care about "points" since those are an artificial construct that don't actually exist. |
Rhys Thoth
Endland
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:23:00 -
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For some reason, this thread makes me want to drink a bottle of cough syrup and watch philosophy lectures while posting to GD. I don't always undock, but when I do... no wait, I acutally never undock. |
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
141
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:02:00 -
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Does it really matter if there is no bacon? Eating cakes that are had maybe but THE BACON!!!!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:23:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:You can force [part of] room to move you while you are staying "immobile": thing is called Alcubierre drive, I heard there are laboratory experiments already to confirm its possibility (NASA sponsor experiments to find out if it's possible to bend space-time in laboratory).
They should really be doing that in deep space - out by the asteroids. You know, so that time-space don't warp and bend and cause the Earth to implode.
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Jonathan Peak
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.01 03:28:00 -
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Stories of NASA attempting to confirm the feasibility of the Alcubierre drive are a bit overblown. The theory behind the drive requires the existence of exotic matter with negative energy density. There is no evidence that such exotic matter exists. Currently the drive is a fun mathematical curiosity which may not be physically meaningful.
As for the subject of the OP, as mentioned previously, solvitur ambulando. :P
More seriously, attempting to directly apply concepts involving infinity to the real world can be problematic. For instance, it can be shown that there are as many points in the interval [0,1] as there are in the interval [0,2], but at the end of the day, a length of 2 is greater than a length of 1. Of course, using a different context (maybe involving the hyperreal numbers or something similar), it probably makes more sense to say that [0,1] contains half as many points as [0,2]. Mathematics isn't nearly as set in stone as one might think given standard primary and secondary education. Choices of axioms, models, languages, etc. can have a big impact on the conclusions that can be drawn. For a fun example maybe somewhat related, check out the Banach-Tarski paradox.
Also, spacetime may be discrete. Whether there exists a quantum of spacetime is an open question, but if there is one, then the paradox can be resolved that way. Of course, discretization of spacetime leads to its own problems.
Reading up on Zeno's paradoxes of motion and their proposed solutions might be worthwhile. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.08.01 03:38:00 -
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Since there are infinitely many points across the room, you must necessarily always be travelling with infinite speed even when standing in one place, breathing.
The major flaw in your logic was assuming a fixed rate of travel from point to point, then increasing the number of points per unit distance without altering the rate of travel from point to point. This error could have been corrected in any number of ways, my favourite being to adjust the frame of reference to the abstract space containing the room and the infinite number of points,with all measurement done in absolute units based on that a strict frame of reference rather than the multitudinous possible frames within that space.
Thus it will always take you the same amount of time to cross the room, no matter how many points you can plot in the space contained by the room. You will simply travel through more points per time unit as the number of points per length unit increases.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
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Posted - 2013.08.01 04:01:00 -
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I completely support what the last two posters said.
Got the snipe as well. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore. |
Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:51:00 -
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Jonathan Peak wrote: Reading up on Zeno's paradoxes of motion and their proposed solutions might be worthwhile.
Alternatively, getting off his ass and walking across the room might provide a more practical explanation for the OP
TL; DR. The premise of the argument is flawed.
WTB : An image in my signature |
Mr Pragmatic
582
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:21:00 -
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Smells like summer. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged. |
Chopper Rollins
Sky Prey
218
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:37:00 -
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Confirming the usefulness of calculations involving pi, caek and BACON.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.08.02 06:53:00 -
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Wait! This is a math question? Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
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