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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:53:00 -
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If the stats released for the tornado are correct, there will be no need for the minmatar tempest anymore.
She is a wonderful rust bucket and I will miss her.
*cough ccp should really buff the tempest pg and damage multiplier especially on the fleet tempest cough*
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:56:00 -
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except she has more survivability than a tornado
'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win 'nados vs caps = bwahahahah
Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:05:00 -
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Denidil wrote:except she has more survivability than a tornado
'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win 'nados vs caps = bwahahahah
only if the 'pest isn't trying to dock with your 'nado Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:19:00 -
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it will be needed for t2 production... much like the ferox, cyclone, destroyers, several crusiers... etc |
Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:37:00 -
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Tornado = Pathetic Tank, Tempest = Battleship Tank Tornado = 0 Drone Space, Tempest = 75 Drone Space Tornado = 0 Extra Utility, Tempest = 2 Heavy Neuts
Once again are hearts go out to another brave Battleship who hast met his end fighting valiantly on the forums. The Tempest will Live on in our Minds and in our Game. Though it has died on the forums it will still exist in this afterlife we call EVE, Neuting Vagabonds, Flying along side 1400mm Maelstroms and being able to survive an attempted alpha from over 20 Drakes unlike the Tornado.
R.I.P Tempest, I will see you in Game. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:48:00 -
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A ship without a drone bay is something i dont want to fly. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
201
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:50:00 -
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i should remember ccp reserves the right to change things. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
391
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:50:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:only if the 'pest isn't trying to dock with your 'nado
Tempests docking with Tornados - this sounds like some totally hawt spaceship pourne! Sign me up for the DVD.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:51:00 -
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Denidil wrote:except she has more survivability than a tornado
'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win 'nados vs caps = bwahahahah
whats survivability matter for a suicide boat?
Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:53:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:If the stats released for the tornado are correct, there will be no need for the minmatar tempest anymore.
She is a wonderful rust bucket and I will miss her.
Were it only true .. the Tempest is easily the ugliest BS around! But I don't see how it will be replaced by the Tornado .. thing. Which isn't exactly pretty either. I didn't like the Myrmidon so I don't like her twin sister either.
Dbars Grinding wrote:A ship without a drone bay is something i dont want to fly. Bleh ... I still adore my Tengu!!!
Happily the new BC seems to look great. I hope it's not the Gallente one (as I can't fly those)! |
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.10.26 22:56:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Denidil wrote:except she has more survivability than a tornado
'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win 'nados vs caps = bwahahahah
whats survivability matter for a suicide boat?
it doesn't have to be a suicide boat if you use it right. Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:23:00 -
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Differnt ships different uses. Sounds trite, but it is true. The tornado has the thank of a Battlecruiser, the tempest dosnt's. Ones fastg, the other one is fast for a battleship. Differnt uses. Maybe in a fleet blob this wont matter, but out side of everyone shoot gary, i think they will perform very differently. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:24:00 -
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nades go boom real good pests are to be squashed. |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:31:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:If the stats released for the tornado are correct, there will be no need for the minmatar tempest anymore.
She is a wonderful rust bucket and I will miss her.
*cough ccp should really buff the tempest pg and damage multiplier especially on the fleet tempest cough*
The Tempest has been on life support for along time. Let it die and maybe CCP will see fit to look it over and resurrect it in someway.
Though I wouldn't hold my breath on that. |
Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:45:00 -
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hah...
tornado = 'Nado fleet
tornado looks like a chicken head...
'nado looks like nandos...
NANDOs FLEET! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.26 23:53:00 -
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I wouldn't give up on the Tempest yet.
The new BC's coming out will be able to fit larger guns, true, but they won't have the tank of a BS as I understand it. So one must wonder what role they will fill. Are they going to fight BS's? They'll be out-tanked. Are they going to fight other BC's and cruisers? They'll be out tracked.
I see the new BC's more useful in w-space environments. Smaller mass than a BS. Able to get into wh's that BS's can't get into. Less chances of collapsing wh's.
But, who knows how it will play out in the end.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:15:00 -
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Not only that, but you can't fit a full rack of 1400s to a 'nado without toying with a couple of PG mods (a rack of 1200s will use up 1080some of the 1250 PG available with engineering and AWU 5, you need a grid mod/rig if you plan on fitting a MWD and LSE for kiting).
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
287
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Posted - 2011.10.27 00:17:00 -
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I got no doubt a well fitted Nado, or any Tier 3 BC for that matter, would still die to a Tier 1 BS The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Abominare
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:13:00 -
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While I dont think the pest will die, theres something to be said about the neuts it brings. Ultimately the nado will be a very strong competitor to pest in the small gang environment. The extra 2 guns help to make up the damage difference between it and the pest, lots of course not forget teh massive mach like falloff bonus.
It wont need as many lows as the pest to fit as many nanos, and its tank will easily be equal to or greater than the pest due to the fact it gets three tank slots vs the pests normal two, so unless it has really gimp base stats itll be just as tanky and easily just as fast as a properly fit pest. The biggest draw back is the drone bay, which i think will help limit some of its solo ability but can be made up for in the small gang scenarios, due to the fact it can kite and hit frigs out to nearly 80km. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:15:00 -
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Headerman wrote:I got no doubt a well fitted Nado, or any Tier 3 BC for that matter, would still die to a Tier 1 BS
unless it's a ferox |
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Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:22:00 -
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Stealth buff Tempest so it is retardedly OP whine detected.
Seriously, the tempest is a great ship and does not need to be buffed.
Poor sad little pirates, -áwhy you so mad? |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:26:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Denidil wrote:except she has more survivability than a tornado
'pests vs 'nados = 'pests win 'nados vs caps = bwahahahah
whats survivability matter for a suicide boat? it doesn't have to be a suicide boat if you use it right.
Not that it would be hard to use right; that its damn near designed to be a suicide ganker. All these new BCs are Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:41:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Not that it would be hard to use right; that its damn near designed to be a suicide ganker. All these new BCs are
no unimaginative.
speed tank. Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve.
MM Bombers, Best Bombers |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
33
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:46:00 -
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Elson Tamar wrote:Differnt ships different uses......
Agreed. There is a purpose for every ship in the game, and there will be a niche for the Tempest.
So far the best use of the Rohk I can find is as a Gas Harvester "Gassy Rohk" for it's 5 turrets and Cargo space. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.27 01:53:00 -
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Abominare wrote:and its tank will easily be equal to or greater than the pest due to the fact it gets three tank slots vs the pests normal two, so unless it has really gimp base stats itll be just as tanky and easily just as fast as a properly fit pest. No it won't, not even close.
Here are the prlim stats for the Tornado.
shieldCapacity: 2165.0 armorHP: 2272.0 hp: 2165.0
Tempest Base Stats
Shield 6211 Armor 6954 Hull 6641
It has a considerable lead. The Tempest also has 4 Shield Tank Slots in an Alpha Fleet and 3 in a Nano AC Gang.
Add Heavy Neuts and a 75m2 Drone Bay and the Tempest is fine.
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Abominare
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:26:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Abominare wrote:and its tank will easily be equal to or greater than the pest due to the fact it gets three tank slots vs the pests normal two, so unless it has really gimp base stats itll be just as tanky and easily just as fast as a properly fit pest. No it won't, not even close. Here are the prlim stats for the Tornado. shieldCapacity: 2165.0 armorHP: 2272.0 hp: 2165.0 Tempest Base Stats Shield 6211 Armor 6954 Hull 6641 It has a considerable lead. The Tempest also has 4 Shield Tank Slots in an Alpha Fleet and 3 in a Nano AC Gang. Add Heavy Neuts and a 75m2 Drone Bay and the Tempest is fine.
On a small gang role, you don't typically have alpha fleets, but you might as well bring a mael if you want alpha. And you have 2 tank slots in a nano gang. Not 3. With the extra mid on the nado your shield tank will be similar, and your sig will likely be smaller depending on the specific setup. Though true the pest will have more buffer in the post shield phase, in which you're usually screwed anyways
I'm not saying the Tempest will be out of a job, just pointing out that this level of competition for a small gang is going to make justifying the tempest a little harder for some pilots. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:27:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tornado = Pathetic Tank, Tempest = Battleship Tank Tornado = 0 Drone Space, Tempest = 75 Drone Space Tornado = 0 Extra Utility, Tempest = 2 Heavy Neuts
Once again are hearts go out to another brave Battleship who hast met his end fighting valiantly on the forums. The Tempest will Live on in our Minds and in our Game. Though it has died on the forums it will still exist in this afterlife we call EVE, Neuting Vagabonds, Flying along side 1400mm Maelstroms and being able to survive an attempted alpha from over 20 Drakes unlike the Tornado.
R.I.P Tempest, I will see you in Game. This is a good post(TM). The new tier3 BCs are an excellent implementation of the rock, paper, shotgun principle that is so important in a game like eve and was thrown wildly out of balance with the advent of the buffed supercaps back in Dominion and the Angel faction ships.
For the most part, T3 BCs are excellent range kiters against ships that they outrange (the Talos notwithstanding, which has other strengths) and make for excellent hit and run snipers with their small sig res, high speed and agility and fast locking speeds. They will, however, be weaker in general than BS due to their cruiser size tank and they will suffer when smaller ships get in under their guns (with the exception of the Talos with its 90% web strength) as they no drones and no utility highs for neuts, smartbombs or remote reppers.
Being fairly cheap, however, they will make a good isk trade against faction battleships. The Oracle will make a killer 80km scorch platform, the Nagos a great fast moving long range sniper and you will see Tornado alpha gangs on the overview pretty soon. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
119
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:29:00 -
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Andski wrote:Headerman wrote:I got no doubt a well fitted Nado, or any Tier 3 BC for that matter, would still die to a Tier 1 BS unless it's a ferox
a ferox is not a tier 1 BS Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
15
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:33:00 -
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Abominare wrote:....
On a small gang role, you don't typically have alpha fleets, but you might as well bring a mael if you want alpha. And you have 2 tank slots in a nano gang. Not 3. With the extra mid on the nado your shield tank will be similar, and your sig will likely be smaller depending on the specific setup. Though true the pest will have more buffer in the post shield phase, in which you're usually screwed anyways
I'm not saying the Tempest will be out of a job, just pointing out that this level of competition for a small gang is going to make justifying the tempest a little harder for some pilots. 1 on 1, a Pest vs a Tornado, the Tornado will be able to dictate range, in which case the Pest can simply warp off, and unless the Tonado is cap boosting, once he gets inside heavy neut range, he's dead, all of which ignores the fact that the Pest can sic 5xec-600 drones on him and keep him jammed and therefore not firing. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2011.10.27 03:14:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:David Grogan wrote:only if the 'pest isn't trying to dock with your 'nado Tempests docking with Tornados - this sounds like some totally hawt spaceship pourne! Sign me up for the DVD.
uh oh
Plot for the next clear skies itt? |
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