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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
98
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:08:00 -
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Not literally, of course. But what does one do when you've peaked in EVE?
High-sec. Mining is fine, but it's not exactly a thrilling prospect. And if you don't mind spending the better part of a game session mindlessly breaking off chunks of ore or ice... Missions pretty much peak at L4s, and they become fairly monotonous after a while (almost as bad as mining). There's playing the market, and I guess one can derive a certain amount of satisfaction in making ISK trading. Research, invention and construction - great, but all things that run in the background for the most part. I won't even comment on planetary management. Bounty hunting? More of an afterthought than an actual profession, which is kind of disappointing since this was supposedly a key feature of Retribution. Then there's exploration. Or rather, there used to be. Odyssey pretty much eliminated the last element of mystery in addition to tanking prices for loot such that mining is actually now more lucrative.
Then there's low-sec. Where the risk vs. reward is so skewed that you'd have to be out of your mind to simply venture through a gate - let alone contemplate anything more involvedthan flying from point a to point b. If you're not outright gate-camped, you can fully expect to be hunted down in short order if you outstay your welcome. It's so empty that more than a few PvP'ers actively venture into high-sec for suicide-ganking - for no other reason than bragging rights with a kill mail. Dozens of people in-system. All docked. Low-sec is one of the reasons why we can't have nice things (or at least fly them).
Wormhole space is great if you like solitude, but running Sleeper sites is quite repetitive - albeit somewhat more lucrative than other aspects. But it's really another aspect of mindless grinding, intermixed with occasional combat. At least wormhole space offers a unique and exciting combat environment.
Null-sec. Well, I guess this is truly the final frontier - although it's kind of like "meet the new boss - same as the old one".
I put off playing EVE for years because my first impressions were that it was to overly complex. This isn't to say that this view was necessarily incorrect, but I did find the learning curve to be much quicker than I'd anticipated. But now that I've been playing EVE for close to six months, I find myself asking: "What is the point?" Aside from the comradery and online interaction, that is.
Exploration is dead... Bounty hunting is non-existant... Mining and similar aspects are just above watching grass grow... There's no PvE once you've completed the highest missions, story lines and epic arcs... You can't even be a pirate, because piracy solely consists of killing absolutely anything and everything simply for spite. But most importantly: there's no point in really going beyond the cheapest insurable ships and modules for anything other than mission-running.
This intended isn't a rant but rather a honest question: What am I missing? Am I in fact missing anything? Where is the EVE of lore? PS. No, you can't have my stuff. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9046
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:10:00 -
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What makes you say you peaked?
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Dray Cil
Dragonfire Industries Madz Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:15:00 -
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You need to find a crusade, and join it. The ultimate point of EVE, imho, is to claim sovereignty rights over every claimable system. Once you have conquered all of null-sec, you win EVE.
Dray
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2465
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:15:00 -
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The next step isn't a place in Eve, nor is it any kind of PVE content.
The content in Eve is the players. Go find some you like and fly with them. Find some you don't like and make their time challenging. Wander around, meet people.
Mining, missions, etc etc is all the means to an end, not a long term goal.
(BTW, piracy isn't blowing up everything you see for spite, its doing it for sport or profit.)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
76775
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:21:00 -
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Hmmm Doesn't seem like you've played much Eve tbh
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1462
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:35:00 -
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I think you're missing the whole point of the game. You make a lot of excuses for why you can't do something, when other people do those things just fine so those problems are with you, not the game.
The only answer to your question is to do whatever you want and you can't expect anyone else to tell you what that is. Figure it out for yourself, be creative and don't let yourself be restricted by social norms or perceived boundaries. It's only a game so screw the consequences. Oh god. |
Sol Kal'orr
TLSG Asgard Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:40:00 -
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I just mess around a lot.
If I feel like writing about EVE I do that.
If I want to muck about in losec I do that.
Maybe I'll join a public fleet.
Or try to kill a hisec miner.
Or shiptoast on this forum.
It's all good.
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Greygal
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:43:00 -
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I've been playing Eve for four years now, and I've yet to "peak" - every day, I learn something new. Every day, this game surprises me. My enthusiasm for the game just continues to grow, and as corny as it sounds, I cannot imagine my life without Eve in it.
Eve is a game of beauty, not just graphically, but within the day to day interactions of it all, the people, the tactics, the choices each of us make, the moments where everything changes, without warning, often without true understanding of how and why. I often joke that Eve is not a game, but a lifestyle choice.
The beauty of mining isn't the mining itself, it's the gathering of a group of friends, chitchatting and gossiping on coms while drinking a bear.
The beauty of lowsec isn't the risk v. the reward - which is much more balanced than you may think - but the thrill of the chase, the hunt, the kill ... in FW lowsec, it's the fighting for a bigger cause in a war that even though you know it will never end, can never truly be won, you can make a difference, you can upset the apple cart of your opposing militia. Piracy is so much more than "killing absolutely anything and everything simply for spite." In fact, I would dare to say that most pirates RARELY kill for spite, but for the challenge of seeing if they can actually do it.
The beauty of wormhole space is the solitude, in fact, but it is also the feast-or-famine nature of wormhole space; the hours of solitude broken by the sudden invasion of an overwhelming force... will you make it back to your pos before they tackle you? Or will you be able to spring a surprise on them, destroying them, protecting the home you have worked so hard to build in such hostile space, knowing that every day, at any moment, a force can come in and wipe out everything you have built up, losing billions in hours. If you find sleepers sights only "somewhat more lucrative than other aspects," you're doing it wrong. Wormhole space is truly the wild west, the gold rush of Eve, where you can make and lose billions in a day.
The beauty of nullsec is beyond measure, beyond description... from the high level politics and international-level machinations of the big alliances, to the small day-to-day roaming gangs of close-knit friends, looking for a good fight, looking for a target, a challenge... the rank and file sov members working to build industrial infrastructures to build out their territory and create the very ships that will soon die defending or expanding their space, the independent small corps holding their own against all odds...nullsec is far and away so much more than you can imagine, until you have lived it. I do not live in sov space, but I do live in NPC nullsec, where I am free to roam whereever I want, looking for the good fight, win or lose, because the rush of it all is beyond measure, beyond what any other game I have ever played brings to me. I still find my heart racing and my hands shaking after a Good FightGäó, win or lose :) And that keeps me logging in, day after day.
But ultimately, all of these aspects of the game are just means to an end, and that "end" is the primary beauty of Eve: Eve is whatever you decide you want it to be, for you.
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Paper Snowstorm Petition Blizzard
3043
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:45:00 -
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Hint: the primary content of Eve isn't generated by the game. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
75
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:47:00 -
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@OP
Stop doing the same thing every day, stop worrying about how much isk you're making per hour, the game becomes fun again, I've played since beta.... |
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Lord Charles Gatsby
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:49:00 -
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People still pve ? |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
725
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:51:00 -
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I re-activated account to check last "exploration expansion" - clearly I wasted my time as many times before. In a week account will expire and I feel it will be frozen for a very long time because I gave up my faith into CCP's ability to deliver anything interesting. |
Lord Charles Gatsby
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:52:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I re-activated account to check last "exploration expansion" - clearly I wasted my time as many times before. In a week account will expire and I feel it will be frozen for a very long time because I gave up my faith into CCP's ability to deliver anything interesting.
WoW ! What do you want a free moustache ride ? |
Seven Koskanaiken
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
323
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:53:00 -
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Grief. Steal. Scam. Smack in local. Blow up ships that can't fight back. Use ECM brazenly. Win trust and then betray that trust. ***** behind people's backs. Join a corp and cause drama. Blob. Harvest tears. Troll the forums. |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:55:00 -
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Opposite of what you said, null sec isn't the place to end, it is the place to start.
when you peaked, you just start playing outside the game: organising player events around the globe, managing a corp/alliance, planning wars, spying and scaming, programming tools.
This game is best played outside of the client |
Zappity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
210
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:56:00 -
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PvP. Try it. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
837
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:17:00 -
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There is no end.
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Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
60
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:20:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Not literally, of course. But what does one do when you've peaked in EVE?
High-sec. Mining is fine, but it's not exactly a thrilling prospect. And if you don't mind spending the better part of a game session mindlessly breaking off chunks of ore or ice... Missions pretty much peak at L4s, and they become fairly monotonous after a while (almost as bad as mining). There's playing the market, and I guess one can derive a certain amount of satisfaction in making ISK trading. Research, invention and construction - great, but all things that run in the background for the most part. I won't even comment on planetary management. Bounty hunting? More of an afterthought than an actual profession, which is kind of disappointing since this was supposedly a key feature of Retribution. Then there's exploration. Or rather, there used to be. Odyssey pretty much eliminated the last element of mystery in addition to tanking prices for loot such that mining is actually now more lucrative.
Then there's low-sec. Where the risk vs. reward is so skewed that you'd have to be out of your mind to simply venture through a gate - let alone contemplate anything more involvedthan flying from point a to point b. If you're not outright gate-camped, you can fully expect to be hunted down in short order if you outstay your welcome. It's so empty that more than a few PvP'ers actively venture into high-sec for suicide-ganking - for no other reason than bragging rights with a kill mail. Dozens of people in-system. All docked. Low-sec is one of the reasons why we can't have nice things (or at least fly them).
Wormhole space is great if you like solitude, but running Sleeper sites is quite repetitive - albeit somewhat more lucrative than other aspects. But it's really another aspect of mindless grinding, intermixed with occasional combat. At least wormhole space offers a unique and exciting combat environment.
Null-sec. Well, I guess this is truly the final frontier - although it's kind of like "meet the new boss - same as the old one".
I put off playing EVE for years because my first impressions were that it was to overly complex. This isn't to say that this view was necessarily incorrect, but I did find the learning curve to be much quicker than I'd anticipated. But now that I've been playing EVE for close to six months, I find myself asking: "What is the point?" Aside from the comradery and online interaction, that is.
Exploration is dead... Bounty hunting is non-existant... Mining and similar aspects are just above watching grass grow... There's no PvE once you've completed the highest missions, story lines and epic arcs... You can't even be a pirate, because piracy solely consists of killing absolutely anything and everything simply for spite. But most importantly: there's no point in really going beyond the cheapest insurable ships and modules for anything other than mission-running.
This intended isn't a rant but rather a honest question: What am I missing? Am I in fact missing anything? Where is the EVE of lore? PS. No, you can't have my stuff.
I think you are looking at it all wrong.
You are looking at ways to make isk to help you do the end game things. To me end game in EVE isn't seeing how much isk i can make. It's meeting new people, trying out new positions in corp/alliance like becoming an FC or a director. Maybe you should start a corp and make it grow. See if you can create a merc corp, or a wormhole corp that everyone will fear. Or you can explore the meta game of alts for spys and test your wits against the strongest nul sec alliances. To me those are the end game of EVE |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
858
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:27:00 -
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Your glass is always half empty right? This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Arduemont
The Asteroid Solution
1654
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:37:00 -
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Although I kind of agree with most of your points, you are missing something pretty big.
What your not doing, is interacting with people enough. Now, I am probably not the best person to lecture you because I haven't really been playing much or doing anything very exciting in Eve for some time now, but bare with me.
Eve is like life. There is a lot to do, but at the end of it all when it really comes down to it there isn't a point to any of it. The same can be said of all games really. You need to find a niche, and get into the community of it and interact with other players. My personal niche has always been small gang PvP, and I interact with other players by offering my corp (or just my) assistance in wars against war dec corps. When I am in my own corp I open a common channel for them to communicate with me, or if I am in their corp then I just use their chats or TS3.
When I log on I get lots of people saying hi, and thanking me for my help, and asking me to run a small gang roam with them or asking my opinion. And that is hugely gratifying to know that I have had an effect. You can run as many mission as you want and mine more than you can dream of, but at the end of it nothing will feel like its changed. Most of the content in Eve comes from interaction. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:58:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Grief. Steal. Scam. Smack in local. Blow up ships that can't fight back. Use ECM brazenly. Win trust and then betray that trust. ***** about corp members behind their back. Join a corp and cause a drama implosion. Gank PvE fits. AFK cloak. Awox. Blob. Harvest tears. Troll the forums. That's all good for the first hour but then what???
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Wolf Kruol
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
26
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:01:00 -
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Never ending doomsayers... So when is the sky falling? Can some one give me a date.. so I can sell my **** before time and buy all the exotic chicks for my personal pleasure.. XD GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
60
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:04:00 -
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Wolf Kruol wrote:Never ending doomsayers... So when is the sky falling? Can some one give me a date.. so I can sell my **** before time and buy all the exotic chicks for my personal pleasure.. XD
I don't think you read his post.
Hes asking what can he do to get back into the game. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
485
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:06:00 -
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I'd say the answer really is Nullsec for most people. Some others create lofty long term personal goals, like starting a successful corp from scratch, or becoming a trader big enough to move an entire mineral market, etc. Others find a comfortable niche and just play casually without too much time investment.
For some, the best option is to take a break. Eve will still be around in a year, and a couple of new expansions can revitalize the game. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
288
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:30:00 -
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I think the OP is just saturated with Eve, we all get like that after a while, my advice would be to find a long skill to train, something that takes 30/40/50 days + and train the skill, whilst at the same time he takes a holiday from New Eden.
That means no logging in or hitting the forum until his skill is trained. In the meantime try some of the other mmo's or games out there and come back to eve completely refreshed when your skill is trained.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Wolf Kruol
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
26
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:31:00 -
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Lexar Mundi wrote:Wolf Kruol wrote:Never ending doomsayers... So when is the sky falling? Can some one give me a date.. so I can sell my **** before time and buy all the exotic chicks for my personal pleasure.. XD I don't think you read his post. Hes asking what can he do to get back into the game.
You are correct sir. I didn't read the post.. I've been drinking too much spiced wine and fondling my collection of exotic chicks. GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
229
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:34:00 -
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If you don't have at least one alt cloaking in someones 0.0 farming system you've not yet peaked. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
101
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:37:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies. I really do enjoy the player interaction - it's probably the only aspect of the game that still holds a daily level of enjoyment. What got me excited about EVE and finally persuaded me to pull the trigger was Retribution. I mean, who doesn't want to be a bounty hunter? Or an explorer venturing deep into space which was marketed as the focal point of Odyssey. The reality of actual bounty hunting is quite different than initially perceived - it just seems like there's so much lost potential. Under Retribution probing, scanning and exploration had previously been a challenge - one that actually required some degree of skill to attain. Then Odyssey basically killed it.
Maybe null-sec is the ticket after all. The most fun I had was being ambushed by a covert ops that managed to lure me into a warp bubble. One of the more enjoyable times I had dying. :D |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
160
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Posted - 2013.08.02 06:01:00 -
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find/ make a cause. Take it up as your banner. get others too follow it or hit them with said banner. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3956
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Posted - 2013.08.02 06:25:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Null-sec. Well, I guess this is truly the final frontier - although it's kind of like "meet the new boss - same as the old one". Dismissive tone. Very appropriate, I think you could join TEST Alliance leadership.
When you get kicked out, apply to PL. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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