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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.08.24 10:26:00 -
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Hidden variables are good. You should always be uncertain about what you are up against. Otherwise everything just becomes Ganks. The only reason you find links such an unpalatable hidden variable is because everything else is in plain sight, If instead of knowing exactly what ship your opponents had all you got was their class, i.e. Cruiser on Deep scan, and only their race when on the same grid and had to eyeball ships & know what ship models are what or lock them to get actual hull type it would introduce even more uncertainty and make for non perfect intel on other things. Which would then result in 'Oopsie' engagements happening more often, which would be better for the game than the current meta as to when to engage. Gang boosts are no worse for the game than T2 modules, Implants or anything else. The scale may be out, *shrugs*, but the actual mechanic is for the most part fine. I'd even allow OGB's still I think on recent reflection but at reduced efficiency compared to an OGB which creates a decision point. Do you bring them on grid and risk the ship or off grid but with less effect. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
217
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Posted - 2013.08.24 11:01:00 -
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I don't entirely disagree. Skillpoints and fittings are of course themselves hidden variables.
However, skillpoints (in the main) have some tenuous connection with a coherent narrative, as does the use of better materials and technology in the manufacture of superior T2 items.
Centralized fleet command and control is also part of a coherent narrative, at least in the sense that the command ship could be an information bus that allows other ships in the fleet to share knowledge.
However, the idea that such a data bus should harden armour (already a ridiculous concept) and shields (a concept that would require exponential increments in power output into order to produce linear increments in effectiveness) just seems... unnecessarily ridiculous, and does not in my view add to the game.
Perhaps if the boosts were limited to the squad level only that would make more sense, because the tradeoff would be more difficult to call:
do I bring 10% more dps or another 27 slots to the fight? It's a closer call.
addendum: I got the number of 27 slots this way: each gang link is worth (roughly) the power of 1 more slot on each boosted ship, but costs 1 slot on the command ship. In a squad of 10, I gain 10 slots and lose one for each gang link I bring. In a squad of 10, a command ship with 3 links brings the power of +30 slots, but at a cost of -3.
A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
293
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Posted - 2013.08.24 16:54:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote: Centralized fleet command and control is also part of a coherent narrative, at least in the sense that the command ship could be an information bus that allows other ships in the fleet to share knowledge.
However, the idea that such a data bus should harden armour (already a ridiculous concept) and shields (a concept that would require exponential increments in power output into order to produce linear increments in effectiveness) just seems... unnecessarily ridiculous, and does not in my view add to the game.
Your looking at it too 1 dimensionally - a lot of the way ganglinks "work" is about opptimising solutions, evading an outcome and so on not opptimising power output or straight up tanking but is reflected as an increase in the raw stats to keep it simple/practical. A lot of it isn't actually about sharing the data of ships in fleet but having specalised more advanced/extra processors for certain aspects of ship operation that can produce better results than the hardware on non-commandsips - hence why command modules have fairly large fitting and physical properties compared to other comparable modules.
My biggest issue with what your saying tho - and its not just you I see it a lot in these types of threads - people are complaining about (and often validly so) about how ganglinks break a specific part of eve that they spend a lot of time in but don't consider (or just don't care about) the wider implications of the measures they are proposing to fix that. Personally I use ganglinks a lot in pretty much every aspect of eve - wormholes, highsec, nullsec, PVE, PVP whatever - except FW (which I have very limited experience of but I can imagine they are quite broken there for a lot of stuff) and solo PVP (as my skills are better suited to fleet stuff) theres a lot of areas where they are very useful and not (totally) broken at all. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
218
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Posted - 2013.08.24 17:13:00 -
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centralised computing power is a concept from the 60s. dustributed information processing is currently producing far better results.
whichever you you rationalise it, I find no defensible narrative to support gang links in their current form.
I know that they offer an advantage to a "solo" pvper with 2 accounts (the irony is intentional).
but they do not, when examined in any number of dimensions, add to the depth, realism or sense of involvement in the game of eve.
or is there a dimension I am missing?
A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
776
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Posted - 2013.08.24 17:35:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:centralised computing power .. Still very relevant but arguably beside the point ..
What are we talking about here, the ability to provide boosts dependant on locks or just being in locking range? I am fully aware and in general agreement with your sentiment but I need the how/what/where/when to be absolutely clear.
Ideal solution, probable coding issues aside, what should links look like in the future? Answer that in a reasonable fashion and you have done 99% of the Devs homework |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
218
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Posted - 2013.08.24 18:02:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:centralised computing power .. Still very relevant but arguably beside the point .. What are we talking about here, the ability to provide boosts dependant on locks or just being in locking range? I am fully aware and in general agreement with your sentiment but I need the how/what/where/when to be absolutely clear. Ideal solution, probable coding issues aside, what should links look like in the future? Answer that in a reasonable fashion and you have done 99% of the Devs homework
Well I think it's pretty simple.
We already have a real information nexus making decisions that improve the prospect of the fleet. He is called the FC and he is supported by scouts, fleet doctrine and a pan-galactic communications system called TeamSpeak (etc)
In my view there is no role at all for performance-boosting gang links. I think it was an ill-conceived idea that, in the case where both fleets have gang links, always favours larger fleets over smaller ones.
I can see a sensible narrative behind an arrangement where command modules improve the performance of ship's electronics, by virtue of more information being made available in parallel, so:
gun accuracy, missile accuracy (explosion radius), lock times, sensor strength (on grounds of redundancy) and so on could be improved by links. All of which would require the booster to be on grid.
A believable narrative could also be constructed that would support the idea of ships in the fleet being able to slave themselves to the command ship, effectively becoming offensive batteries of that ship.
However, considering the current anti-drone-slaving rhetoric in these forums, that's probably a topic better left alone A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Sigras
Conglomo
518
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Posted - 2013.08.25 00:45:00 -
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I completely agree with you if you are talking about contemporary gang link mechanics
Everything will be different when gang links are forced on grid.
With gang links forced on grid, the dynamic changes. Now the enemy FC has different decisions to make:
1. go after the heavily tanked CS knowing they may have a backup CS, but possibly depriving them of links 2. Ignore the CS and try to burn down the fleet assuming they have it bait tanked.
The fleet bringing the command ship also has choices to make
1. Bring a bait tanked CS and hope they shoot at it. 2. Bring a CS that has a good mix of damage and tank and hope they ignore it 3. Dont bother with a CS and bring a fully combat capable ship
more important decisions are better for gameplay.
The only thing I would like to see is that command ships shouldnt be fully combat capable when using links. |
Dani Lizardov
Otbor Chereshka GaNg BaNg TeAm
17
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Posted - 2013.08.26 05:46:00 -
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Sigras wrote: With gang links forced on grid, the dynamic changes. Now the enemy FC has different decisions to make: ..... 1. Bring a bait tanked CS and hope they shoot at it. 2. Bring a CS that has a good mix of damage and tank and hope they ignore it 3. Dont bother with a CS and bring a fully combat capable ship .... .
What game are you playing mate? It does not sound like eve.
You want to force the bonuses on grid, that you can kill em? What about the other 1k people on grid ?
Or maybe you are talking about small scale pvp? Gang bonuses are hardly relevant for a small fleets, if they ever meet a matching force it usually has gang links as well.
Anyway with the changes coming to CS you will see gang links on field a lot. I wonder what you gonna complain next ?
95% of ideas for "changes" in this forum are inability of losers to adapt or use the mechanics they already have. It a sad day when I see one of this "changes" becomes reality.
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
228
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:32:00 -
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I think Sigras' post indicates that he is already thinking about the change and is ready to embrace it.
A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Noisrevbus
477
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:55:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote: whichever you you rationalise it, I find no defensible narrative to support gang links in their current form.
I know that they offer an advantage to a "solo" pvper with 2 accounts (the irony is intentional).
but they do not, when examined in any number of dimensions, add to the depth, realism or sense of involvement in the game of eve.
or is there a dimension I am missing?
There are tenfolds of dimensions that you are missing.
The problem with your rationale or any "the existance of links necessitate the use of links" remark is that that it can be applied to almost any thing in this game. The other side had points, so now you have to have points. The other side had guns, so now you have to have guns. It literally applies to everything in EVE - and removing one such factor makes the game poorer. As do the currently proposed changes, but in slight more complicated ways - by ripping up the existing balance of "more on few - less on many" in favour of one ship being outright better in every regard while restricted to a certain defensive subset (being "tanky").
The second thing you need to understand to see how the changes will impact the game is that in EVE any change cut both ways. It's sensitive to argue that "this will help small-gang PvP" unless you have a comprehensive definition of what small-gang PvP implies to support your claim. In many situations changes endorsed to help small-gang PvP end up ruining it long-term. There are still people living under the toughest conditions possible: deep (sov-space) Nullsec that engage in small-gang PvP (playing only "corp-sized", not having blues etc.). They are still by definition "small gang". They exist, but are extremely rare these days - far more rare than the self-proposed small-gang groups that dwell in Lowsec so the Lowsec perspectives on small-gang concepts are gaining traction.
I'm not casting any aspirations on the topic more than this: If you live in lowsec, whatever perspective you have on players in empire, a shallow nullsec player is bound to have on you and a deep nullsec player is bound to have on them (provided they still envision themselves as "small gang"). Take it as you may, but any argument or counter-argument derived from such a hierarchy still applies throughout that span and not just in your immidiate environment.
If you believe fighting a solo-duel against someone with an OBG is a challenge or unfair - try fighting against someone who outnumber you 10:1 and have larger ships with more links. Once you understand that perspective you might appreciate the ability to dedicate into some very narrow extreme in order to give you a fighting chance against something that outright beat you on any other premise but that single thing you dedicate into to at least chance an engagement.
Engage under the most unfair conditions imaginable, then you may see gang-bonuses and their dimensions in a different light.
Look at the track-record of most similar changes (extreme speeds, ranges, signatures, EW, etc.) - have they helped small gang PvP? I would say it's in the negative. Most notable small-gang concepts, that have thrived in the face of larger gangs or ships throughout the history of the game, have somehow utilzed some extreme to overcome their initial numerical or volumous disadvantage.
Now, here is the crunch-point: the depth, realism and most importantly, involvement that this leads to is encouraging players to overcome numerics or any other percieved unfairness and chance engagement. Take fights. The idea of "adapting" (or HTFU) is getting a very widespread miss-use where people seem to think that choosing not to fight (not to play) is an adaption: "if you can't roam anymore, adapt and only fight similarily sized duders in lowsec". That's not adaption, that's a missconception and poor assumption - it's not "something else" it's "less of what you already had" - because it assumes you wouldn't take similarily sized fights in Lowsec before. What is actually changing in the "small gang world" is that fewer groups are roaming nullsec against tougher odds.
These changes to Links are likely to contribute to those trends - that's why I see them as negative.
What this game needs now more than anything or ever before - is encouraging people to go out there and fight against the odds (fight someone with more and larger ships) and so forth. That's the changes and adaption we need. |
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
351
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:15:00 -
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I still don't understand why: CCP Fozzie wrote:We believe that the balance between the two implants will make for a valuable choice. Navy mindlinks are strictly better but their advantage is relatively slight for most applications and they're quite a bit more expensive. is still a valid response from CCP.
Take a look at how many supers are in the game right now and then see how much 350 mil means these days.
CCP Fozzie wrote:~350m isk final product sale price = there will be no reason whatsoever to have anything but a navy mindlink
T2 needs to give a higher bonus to 1 discipline. Not today spaghetti. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
410
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:22:00 -
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I like how CCP is nerfing 11 million skill points. Next year you should remove leadership skills and refund everyone that went out of their way to help a fleet.
idea of boosters = weapon timer
God forbid someone running ganglinks can't dock because 1 dumbass in his 250 person fleet aggressed a drone. Might as well make everyone suspect when one person in their fleet goes suspect. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
237
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:34:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:idea of boosters = weapon timer
God forbid someone running ganglinks can't dock because 1 dumbass in his 250 person fleet aggressed a drone. Might as well make everyone suspect when one person in their fleet goes suspect.
That is an excellent idea.
Guilt by association seems reasonable to me.
A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Doed
Tyrfing Industries Viro Mors Non Est
38
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:49:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:I like how CCP is nerfing 11 million skill points. Next year you should remove leadership skills and refund everyone that went out of their way to help a fleet.
idea of boosters = weapon timer
God forbid someone running ganglinks can't dock because 1 dumbass in his 250 person fleet aggressed a drone. Might as well make everyone suspect when one person in their fleet goes suspect.
Links in their current state is way too easy to abuse, and jugding by your whining you abuse them all the time, CCP should nerf your ability to post, crybaby. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
410
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:57:00 -
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I'm doing it for everyone else's sake to be honest. I can always put my booster in a guardian or falcon. You see these changes come about because it's the sore losers that make the loudest complainers. If they didn't die so much then they wouldn't have anything to talk about.
Just wait, after boosts get nerfed people will be calling for logi and falcon nerfs again. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
237
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:16:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:I'm doing it for everyone else's sake to be honest. I can always put my booster in a guardian or falcon. You see these changes come about because it's the sore losers that make the loudest complainers. If they didn't die so much then they wouldn't have anything to talk about.
Just wait, after boosts get nerfed people will be calling for logi and falcon nerfs again.
But if you put your booster in a guardian and he then repairs someone who is flashy, he himself will become flashy since he aided a criminal.
Giving gang link boosts to a criminal is no less aiding him than supplying him with shields, cap or armour.
Frankly, if he takes ammo from a fleet-member's can or uses a fleet orca to refit, I think the fleet member should get a criminal flag / weapons timer also.
Supplying ammo or giving solace to a murderer does actually make you an accomplice.
A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
410
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:28:00 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:I'm doing it for everyone else's sake to be honest. I can always put my booster in a guardian or falcon. You see these changes come about because it's the sore losers that make the loudest complainers. If they didn't die so much then they wouldn't have anything to talk about.
Just wait, after boosts get nerfed people will be calling for logi and falcon nerfs again. But if you put your booster in a guardian and he then repairs someone who is flashy, he himself will become flashy since he aided a criminal. Giving gang link boosts to a criminal is no less aiding him than supplying him with shields, cap or armour. Frankly, if he takes ammo from a fleet-member's can or uses a fleet orca to refit, I think the fleet member should get a criminal flag / weapons timer also. Supplying ammo or giving solace to a murderer does actually make you an accomplice.
In the long run people would much rather deal with a booster than 2 guardians and a falcon. What I'm getting at is people like me will still have these accounts at our disposal. If they aren't offgrid in a safer spot then they will be on grid in disposable ships to keep me alive.
When choosing the lesser of two evils its wise to know what will more greatly impact the fight.
I do agree with fleet wide aggressions if they apply to ALL SCENARRIO's. Example: Orcas in the same fleet as suicide gankers should get criminal timers. Booster gets flag then orca gets flag. |
Jane Shapperd
Sanctuary Reapers II
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:33:00 -
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thank you fozzie . good changes |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
432
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Posted - 2013.08.27 16:39:00 -
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Doed wrote:Zeus Maximo wrote:I like how CCP is nerfing 11 million skill points. Next year you should remove leadership skills and refund everyone that went out of their way to help a fleet.
idea of boosters = weapon timer
God forbid someone running ganglinks can't dock because 1 dumbass in his 250 person fleet aggressed a drone. Might as well make everyone suspect when one person in their fleet goes suspect. Links in their current state is way too easy to abuse, and jugding by your whining you abuse them all the time, CCP should nerf your ability to post, crybaby.
Guess what, blob alliances are still going to abuse them.
Its just going to be more of a headache arranging the fleet. Even ongrid you would just have the boosts in a BC or a brick tanked loki with near 200k eHP and the logi to back it up.
What is a gang of 20 going to do that only HAS three booster spots available Fleet, Wing, and, Squad, how many more slots are you going to dedicate to logi, its not like its hard to spot a booster ship in a crowd, its a pretty obvious graphic.
....so the "boosts aren't fair" crowd are STILL going to get more boosts then they have available jammed down their throat. But if they want them at all they have to dedicate a very expensive clone AND likely a hull that is as much or more to get any advantage.
So by all means, keep crying. |
Ginger Barbarella
State Protectorate Caldari State
1465
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:05:00 -
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Just one quick question (and no, I haven't searched 43 pages of posts to see if this has been asked yet): why not just eliminate the Warfare Processor for Strat Cruisers if the bonus on them is going to be castrated from 5% to 2% per level? This basically will end my use of a Loki as a booster in low... No tears, just wondering why even bother keeping it around anymore? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
432
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:41:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Just one quick question (and no, I haven't searched 43 pages of posts to see if this has been asked yet): why not just eliminate the Warfare Processor for Strat Cruisers if the bonus on them is going to be castrated from 5% to 2% per level? This basically will end my use of a Loki as a booster in low... No tears, just wondering why even bother keeping it around anymore?
None, they want you in a slower less manuverable command ship.
.....because that is the perfect match for hack and slash style low sec fights, amirite., |
Ginger Barbarella
State Protectorate Caldari State
1466
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:23:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Just one quick question (and no, I haven't searched 43 pages of posts to see if this has been asked yet): why not just eliminate the Warfare Processor for Strat Cruisers if the bonus on them is going to be castrated from 5% to 2% per level? This basically will end my use of a Loki as a booster in low... No tears, just wondering why even bother keeping it around anymore? None, they want you in a slower less manuverable command ship. .....because that is the perfect match for hack and slash style low sec fights, amirite.,
Blob is Best. (I guess) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Saxe Coburg Gotha
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:42:00 -
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What about boosting from a Titan so you get some of their special bonuses? Is that treated like a special case like the Rorqual? Or are you expected to leave the forcefield and change the entire fight into a Titan gank? Or no one thought about this because too few people do it? |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
413
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:04:00 -
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Saxe Coburg Gotha wrote:What about boosting from a Titan so you get some of their special bonuses? Is that treated like a special case like the Rorqual? Or are you expected to leave the forcefield and change the entire fight into a Titan gank? Or no one thought about this because too few people do it?
Guess here those 11 million leadership skill points will turn into a burden for the titan pilot.
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're planning to make active gang links provide a 60 second weapons timer to their owner, so that you can't just sit on a station or gate and boost all day long. I still can't wrap my head around this. Hard to believe 11 million specialized skill points could turn into such a burden. I figured the on-grid stuff would make the null bears happy but damn, is this a witch hunt?
I figured an untanked 5,000 ehp loki with no guns on grid was bad enough. Now it needs an aggression timer for the hell of it? |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
44
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:56:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote: I still can't wrap my head around this. Hard to believe 11 million specialized skill points could turn into such a burden. I figured the on-grid stuff would make the null bears happy but damn, is this a witch hunt?
I figured an untanked 5,000 ehp loki with no guns on grid was bad enough. Now it needs an aggression timer for the hell of it?
You missed the bit where this is not going to be in Odyssey 1.1 it's just a possibility they are considering between now and when they bring boosts on-grid. |
Ryan SilverHand
Shattered Sword Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.28 00:01:00 -
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I am upset at the T3 changes. However im hoping that everything works out and the changes do not happen |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
44
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Posted - 2013.08.28 00:17:00 -
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Ryan SilverHand wrote:I am upset at the T3 changes. However im hoping that everything works out and the changes do not happen
Not going to happen, the change in balance between Command Ships and T3s has been requested more or less since the T3s came out and has pretty broad support from the player base. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
244
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Posted - 2013.08.28 00:27:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're planning to make active gang links provide a 60 second weapons timer to their owner, so that you can't just sit on a station or gate and boost all day long. I still can't wrap my head around this. Hard to believe 11 million specialized skill points could turn into such a burden. I figured the on-grid stuff would make the null bears happy but damn, is this a witch hunt? I figured an untanked 5,000 ehp loki with no guns on grid was bad enough. Now it needs an aggression timer for the hell of it?
Why would you bring an untanked 5,000 ehp loki when you can bring a very effectively tanked claymore or sleipnir?
Why should aiding and abetting an act of war not carry the same penalty as performing it? If you provide fleet boosts to someone you are part of his tank. You're involved. Why shouldn't you get a gate (or criminal) timer?
The game is changing (for the better). You're going to have to change with it.
A Capacitor Transporter is a device for transporting capacitors. An Energy Transfer Array is a device for transferring energy from one spaceship to another. Please learn the difference. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
432
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:39:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Onictus wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Just one quick question (and no, I haven't searched 43 pages of posts to see if this has been asked yet): why not just eliminate the Warfare Processor for Strat Cruisers if the bonus on them is going to be castrated from 5% to 2% per level? This basically will end my use of a Loki as a booster in low... No tears, just wondering why even bother keeping it around anymore? None, they want you in a slower less manuverable command ship. .....because that is the perfect match for hack and slash style low sec fights, amirite., Blob is Best. (I guess)
Wasn't the blob screaming about OGB all of this time. We just assume there are going to be boosters present. |
NaK'Lin
the united Negative Ten.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.28 03:16:00 -
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I have more than one Booster alt and to be honest, the fact I can't boost from within a POS anymore when in my home-system, while annoying, is still bearable. Plus, in the future you can't boost on station either, because you WILL die, since those warfare modules will apparently refresh a weapons time of sorts (like agression) which won't allow you to insta-dock or jump. But I can work around that...somehow.
I don't see the problem with command ships, especially once 1.1 hits. They're tanky and the buff they are getting is huge enough to be worth abused as much as chicks on bread. The problem I see with is with T3 boosts, since "yay we lowered fitting reqs. for warfare modules", but not for the damn processor. And THAT is the main bottleneck. the T3s are supposed to bonus THREE different types, so why would you ever expect a T3 to run around with a single link??? Give the warfare subsytem the same bonus that command ships have, aka fitting 3 links natively. That should fix a LOT of things. Especially the "tank" aspect, since I can't see T3 boosts EVER on grid, since well, you can't have a decent boosting T3 AND have a tank to sustain more than destroyer dmg. If you wish to nerf T3 boosts that much, might as well remove them, because current state, they don't belong on-grid, due to the fittings.
The reduction in boost strength is acceptable. i put us roughly where we were before the introduction of T2 links. And let's face it, back then, it was already so much better than not having boosts.
tl;dr: T3 Warfare subsystem to natively be able to fit 3 links, as Command Ship counterparts. Then you get about same EHP/Boost trade-off than CS and at least you can bring them on grid. also, titan boosts? Since Rorqual boosts are allowed IN-POS, because well, the ship isn't suited for effing around warps in system, how about titan boosts? |
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