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Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.02 18:36:00 -
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Victor Dathar wrote:Vera Algaert wrote: But pretending that what you are doing is economically profitable is laughable. No we are doing it because it is F U N Remember that? F U N?
It's like beating up the fat kid for his lunch money. You could probably go do something with that time that would net you more money, but then you wouldn't get to beat up the fat kid. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1080
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:04:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Victor Dathar wrote:Vera Algaert wrote: But pretending that what you are doing is economically profitable is laughable. No we are doing it because it is F U N Remember that? F U N? It's like beating up the fat kid for his lunch money. You could probably go do something with that time that would net you more money, but then you wouldn't get to beat up the fat kid.
"Getting beat up for our lunch money is fun"
-anonymous test leader See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:24:00 -
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I didn't say it was fun for everyone now did I? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1194
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Posted - 2013.08.02 20:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:It'll be at least a whole month just to pay off the, what is it now, 1.5 trillion, 2 trillion, maybe 3 trillion ISK we paid Black Legion?
So more like 3 months just for that.
i thought the moons brought in 150 bill a month... or am i wrong with that? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3977
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Posted - 2013.08.02 20:33:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:But they had the geniuses of Baki Yuku and now... Gevlon Goblin I rest my case. Eh well. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
251
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Posted - 2013.08.03 01:00:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:baltec1 wrote:Vera Algaert wrote: However, the moon income goes into the wallets of a few wealthy individuals whereas most of the cost falls on the shoulders of the grunts. For the small elite that controls alliance wallets the war might look profitable because structures your members grind for you are free.
Only in the terrible, lesser groups we kick out. Our finances go into providing free pvp ships and activities for everyone from day one newbees to Mr. Vee. the core point of that paragraph was "whereas most of the cost falls on the shoulders of the grunts". your post about "free pvp activities" that your members are apparently expected to be grateful for illustrates that point very nicely. we would laugh at any corp that offers "free mining activities - give all your mined minerals to the corp, we will trash half of them and use the rest to reimburse mining barges lost to gankers". But that is exactly what is going on in pvp fleets - you aren't making any profit, you are spending a lot more in opportunity cost than your moons will ever earn. The illusion that your behavior is financially profitable only arises from the division between alliance finances and individual members' finances and the fact that the most of the cost of a war is assigned to the second category and ignored. I'm not saying that you running unprofitable pvp fleets is any worse than running unprofitable mining fleets - some people are willing to do pvp for free, other people like to do mining for free, who am I to judge? But pretending that what you are doing is economically profitable is laughable.
Your argument about income is horribly flawed. I'll leave you to figure out why. |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.08.03 03:29:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Hmm, the PR has changed? If Fountain is such a gold mine, then how is it possible that Test ran out of isk? If Africa has so many natural resources, why is it so poor?
Ponder that for a while, Bob. Ponder it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3987
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:59:00 -
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Gorn Arming wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Hmm, the PR has changed? If Fountain is such a gold mine, then how is it possible that Test ran out of isk? If Africa has so many natural resources, why is it so poor? Ponder that for a while, Bob. Ponder it. Because bad people were exploiting them to drain the resour-
oh. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
214
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Posted - 2013.08.03 08:57:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:
your post about "free pvp activities" that your members are apparently expected to be grateful for illustrates that point very nicely. we would laugh at any corp that offers "free mining activities - give all your mined minerals to the corp, we will trash half of them and use the rest to reimburse mining barges lost to gankers". But that is exactly what is going on in pvp fleets - you aren't making any profit, you are spending a lot more in opportunity cost than your moons will ever earn. The illusion that your behavior is financially profitable only arises from the division between alliance finances and individual members' finances and the fact that the most of the cost of a war is assigned to the second category and ignored.
You appear to be making the mistake of presuming what opportunity cost is to an individual, and that it can be measured only in isk.
I know people who only play to PVP, and therefore any time spent making isk is in fact opportunity cost, costing them the opportunity of having fun.
If it so turns out that their alliance can keep them in fleets, and obviate the need for them to PVE, it will not _matter_ to them in the slightest that some high sec incursioneer is gaining net worth and they are standing still, because they are in fact -shooting people- and thats what they enjoy doing.
That is not shifting a burden from their alliance to their personal wallets, its just recognising that their preference for playing the game involves significant consumption - consumption that is absolutely necessary for the health of the game.
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RRNL
Armenian Noodle Dip
5
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Posted - 2013.08.03 09:14:00 -
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2 weeks of war & everyone is back to stationspinning......i wonder when people realizing blobbing 3:1 or 4:1 isnt fun. |
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OldWolf69
IR0N. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
69
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:03:00 -
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RRNL wrote:2 weeks of war & everyone is back to stationspinning......i wonder when people realizing blobbing 3:1 or 4:1 isnt fun. Maybe after....Delve? |
Dave Stark
3264
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:07:00 -
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RRNL wrote:2 weeks of war & everyone is back to stationspinning......i wonder when people realizing blobbing 3:1 or 4:1 isnt fun.
pretty sure it was stated from the outset that the war was about isk and goons were going to make it as infuriating and distressing as possible for the defenders as they could.
regardless of how much of it was spin by various people, it happened and it was true. at least test decided to make the best of it and form up for one of the biggest fights in eve history. |
Aliaster Shtohkman
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:24:00 -
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So what you are saying is that if someone starts gurilla warfare and keep reinforcing the r64 moons with bomber fleets then goons will have to drop their luxary programs? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3992
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Posted - 2013.08.03 15:00:00 -
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Aliaster Shtohkman wrote:So what you are saying is that if someone starts gurilla warfare and keep reinforcing the r64 moons with bomber fleets then goons will have to drop their luxary programs? Yes, everyone knows this already?
Load your torps and start shooting. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3992
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Posted - 2013.08.03 15:01:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:RRNL wrote:2 weeks of war & everyone is back to stationspinning......i wonder when people realizing blobbing 3:1 or 4:1 isnt fun. pretty sure it was stated from the outset that the war was about isk and goons were going to make it as infuriating and distressing as possible for the defenders as they could. regardless of how much of it was spin by various people, it happened and it was true. This is how the CFC does it, yes. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8540
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Posted - 2013.08.03 16:36:00 -
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Aliaster Shtohkman wrote:So what you are saying is that if someone starts gurilla warfare and keep reinforcing the r64 moons with bomber fleets then goons will have to drop their luxary programs?
you know what, go have fun with that Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3996
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Posted - 2013.08.03 23:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:Aliaster Shtohkman wrote:So what you are saying is that if someone starts gurilla warfare and keep reinforcing the r64 moons with bomber fleets then goons will have to drop their luxary programs? you know what, go have fun with that N3, you know what you must do. Start chain reinforcing all of Fountain, it's the only way. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1893
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:04:00 -
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Aliaster Shtohkman wrote:So what you are saying is that if someone starts gurilla warfare and keep reinforcing the r64 moons with bomber fleets then goons will have to drop their luxary programs?
We actually fit our posses. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4006
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Posted - 2013.08.05 05:30:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Aliaster Shtohkman wrote:So what you are saying is that if someone starts gurilla warfare and keep reinforcing the r64 moons with bomber fleets then goons will have to drop their luxary programs? We actually fit our posses. Shooting our hardened POSes would ... yeah it would be pretty painful.
I've shot hardened POSes, they're pretty painful. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
397
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Posted - 2013.08.05 13:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
I've shot hardened POSes, they're pretty painful.
Shooting dickstars with sub-caps makes me borderline violent. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4010
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:10:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I've shot hardened POSes, they're pretty painful. Shooting dickstars with sub-caps makes me borderline violent. That is kind of the point.
So, .... better get started shooting then. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
398
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Onictus wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I've shot hardened POSes, they're pretty painful. Shooting dickstars with sub-caps makes me borderline violent. That is kind of the point. So, .... better get started shooting then.
**** no I don't want the moons, I'll gladly shoot anyone that feels they have the time to shoot at them though.....takes a hell of a lot less time. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp Goonswarm Federation
893
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:04:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Hmm, the PR has changed? If Fountain is such a gold mine, then how is it possible that Test ran out of isk?
Dear Bees, please try to keep your stories consistent, confusion is one of the first signs of CCD... among many other reasons, because one of their directors, baki yuku, sold all of their r64s at crazy low prices to an alliance member coincidentally also named baki yuku |
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp Goonswarm Federation
893
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:11:00 -
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hilariously that is not even in the top two things baki yuku has done that completely ****** test |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1898
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Posted - 2013.08.06 04:21:00 -
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Tell us the notech story where he pretty much just dumped a big pile of TEST isk into our coffers. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
613
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Posted - 2013.08.06 04:33:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Tell us the notech story where he pretty much just dumped a big pile of TEST isk into our coffers.
Wasn't it something about trying to buy out all the supply of a moon mineral because they (the HBC) had control over much of the supply of that particular moongoo thinking they could raise the price after? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4015
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:27:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Tell us the notech story where he pretty much just dumped a big pile of TEST isk into our coffers. Wasn't it something about trying to buy out all the supply of a moon mineral because they (the HBC) had control over much of the supply of that particular moongoo thinking they could raise the price after? They didn't actually have control over that much of the moongoo, that's the thing. There was a speculation spike, which made the CFC money, and possibly a certain Baki Yuku money, but the HBC didn't sell their stuff and the price went back down after people realized they couldn't constrain the supply enough. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1302
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:58:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:I just wanted to shoot at stuff, call me old fashioned.
Hello old fashioned.
Happy now? This is not a signature. |
Joss56
Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:12:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: The war's over and we can stop spinning, we all know it was 750bil a week day.
Wait- the war is over now? I didn't spend much time in Eve or the TEST forums after 6VDT, so this is a serious question here. Is the great war officially over now and can we all go home, marry our fianc+¬es, buy beautiful little farms in Kansas, grow old and sit all day on the stoops in rocking chairs and yell at the kids to get off the lawn?
Nope this is the moment where the best happens, small gang pvp, solo pvp, assault frigs fleets etc which awesome and from my point of view the most exciting pvp form in null. Unless you get drop by a fake R&K elite dudes in faction battleships killing small stuff/pipe bombing and running away like cowards at the sight of a single fleet same size to get a real fight because loosingexpensivepinatasinKBisbad.AVI |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1115
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Posted - 2013.08.08 13:50:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Hmm, the PR has changed? If Fountain is such a gold mine, then how is it possible that Test ran out of isk?
Dear Bees, please try to keep your stories consistent, confusion is one of the first signs of CCD... among many other reasons, because one of their directors, baki yuku, sold all of their r64s at crazy low prices to an alliance member coincidentally also named baki yuku
This is hilarious.
Tell me its not a joke or I'll be disappointed, I'm getting that smile... *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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