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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3997
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Posted - 2013.08.04 06:02:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:GreenSeed wrote:TKL HUN wrote: It's an open secret that hes using ISBoxer.
the part you don't seem to understand is that he doesn't need to hide it. and btw, that's just one software, there's at least 3 other suites with similar features out there, not to mention the free options. you should stop advertizing that one software... i said this a couple of times over the years, the reality is: its allowed. now deal with it. if you don't like it, do something about it besides making threads like this one. because all they accomplish is showing how much players support this software and gameplay; let CCP know that people want more features that favor this gameplay added to their game; and advertize the gameplay, and the tools to do it to all players that aren't doing it already. I'm not advertising anything. Tell me about some of these alternatives to isboxer. Unless one of them is a trap and you're trying to get people to use them and then get banned, which would be ~excellent~ metagame play. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.04 06:24:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:TKL HUN wrote:[quote=Sentamon][quote=Jenn aSide]
I already said it a few times, I DON'T CARE if someone can use 6, or 10 at the same time, if all of the accounts are controlled by one player, and not a software.
But there one player behind all the accounts. They are not being "magically" controlled from thin air and electrical mambo jambo. There is one player pressing his keyboard and moving his mouse. The only difference is that instead of making two ships shot the same ship one after the other, they are doing it at almost the same time. This is not game breaking nor "oh my god he is cheating!!". You can do the same with a free alternative software. No one is stopping you. You just don't want to so you decide if you can't, no one can. That is pretty much a single minded. If you lived in the middle ages and always carried around a sword, and suddenly a wild man appear and shoot you with a gun 20 feet away, will you yell "omg-cheat-hex-wtfbbq!!!!" just before you die?
Just make the difference between:
1. Alt tabbing trough 10 accounts, for an example to set orbit distance or for align, push f1 for shooting, and push f2 to tackle, it takes time right? Anything can go bad while you are doing it.
2. Set orbit distance, push f1 for shooting, and f2 for tackle, and 9 other accounts will do the same at the same time.
There is a big difference right? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3997
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Posted - 2013.08.04 06:30:00 -
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Someone seems to be very unhappy with multiboxing software that supports broadcasting?
I need to see what this is about, besides isboxer, what other things would be useful for making people angrypost on eveo GD There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country
7485
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Posted - 2013.08.04 06:31:00 -
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Quote: Tell me about some of these alternatives to isboxer. Unless one of them is a trap and you're trying to get people to use them and then get banned, which would be ~excellent~ metagame play.
I have the blueprint for such a device. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
18
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Posted - 2013.08.04 06:33:00 -
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One Thing for sure, CCP shouldnt say out loud eve is Full of consequences when a Single alt can without any Risk Scam, Awox and gank while the main is mining in Koroma ... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3997
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Posted - 2013.08.04 06:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Quote:Tell me about some of these alternatives to isboxer. Unless one of them is a trap and you're trying to get people to use them and then get banned, which would be ~excellent~ metagame play. I have the blueprint for such a device. Like the zzek kromtor rig? hilarious stuff There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3342
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Posted - 2013.08.04 08:55:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:A 5 player fleet also outperforms the multiboxed fleet in every way. The solution here is for you to make friends. but as he said earlier, his friends are idiots and make mistakes so the big bad multiboxers always win! Don't be a troll
Make friends. If you & your friends are unable to beat the multiboxed fleet then Dave's statement is correct & not in fact, a troll.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
1022
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Posted - 2013.08.04 11:22:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote: Just make the difference between:
1. Alt tabbing trough 10 accounts, for an example to set orbit distance or for align, push f1 for shooting, and push f2 to tackle, it takes time right? Anything can go bad while you are doing it.
2. Set orbit distance, push f1 for shooting, and f2 for tackle, and 9 other accounts will do the same at the same time.
There is a big difference right?
so? it's still direct control by a human, going at human perception and human rates, not a bot-controlled account doing **** faster than you could, ergo all fair under CCP EULA.
tough luck? don't care. ISBoxers are actually much more easy to take care of than you think. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:12:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:TKL HUN wrote: Just make the difference between:
1. Alt tabbing trough 10 accounts, for an example to set orbit distance or for align, push f1 for shooting, and push f2 to tackle, it takes time right? Anything can go bad while you are doing it.
2. Set orbit distance, push f1 for shooting, and f2 for tackle, and 9 other accounts will do the same at the same time.
There is a big difference right?
so? it's still direct control by a human, going at human perception and human rates, not a bot-controlled account doing **** faster than you could, ergo all fair under CCP EULA. tough luck? don't care. ISBoxers are actually much more easy to take care of than you think.
Yes, it's going at human rates, for one account... 9 others are copied. That's human rate... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
1022
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:14:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Grimpak wrote:TKL HUN wrote: Just make the difference between:
1. Alt tabbing trough 10 accounts, for an example to set orbit distance or for align, push f1 for shooting, and push f2 to tackle, it takes time right? Anything can go bad while you are doing it.
2. Set orbit distance, push f1 for shooting, and f2 for tackle, and 9 other accounts will do the same at the same time.
There is a big difference right?
so? it's still direct control by a human, going at human perception and human rates, not a bot-controlled account doing **** faster than you could, ergo all fair under CCP EULA. tough luck? don't care. ISBoxers are actually much more easy to take care of than you think. Yes, it's going at human rates, for one account... 9 others are copied. That's human rate... at human rates. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:34:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Doc Severide wrote:OP
Just stop already...
Adapt or play something else....
This is NOT going to change... I won't play anything else, never played any other mmo, and I will never do it. " Adapt or play something else...." Yes, may I ask you how would you adapt? Pretty simple. Accept it as something you have to live with...doesn't matter if you don't like it...we all have to do the same from time to time... |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.08.04 12:42:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Guys just try to be serious with this, I think this is a serious problem. LOL, at least one of you does...
Inokuma Yawara wrote:I've been reading through many of the replies in this thread. It made me think this: Isn't being able to multi-box a form of pay to win? What if the other player can't buy multi-boxes or afford the software solution either. Some can't even afford a second EVE account. So, isn't that the same as play to win items for sale in the NEX? It's not my problem if people are broke, it's theirs. And no one "wins" EVE, it's an open ended game that goes on and on...
No one has the "right" to play, you pay up or **** off... |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:32:00 -
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Quote:I've been reading through many of the replies in this thread. It made me think this: Isn't being able to multi-box a form of pay to win? What if the other player can't buy multi-boxes or afford the software solution either. Some can't even afford a second EVE account.
If you cant afford a second account you are either new or bad at eve. In either case you can read the forums for advice and become good at eve. And then you can PLEX as many accounts as you want.
I have a newborn baby and a full time job and still have the time to do it, and haven't spent a penny of my own money on this game in years, literally. I chose to quit using MB software and still can do it.
Zero excuses.
If you really need ISK and have 2 accounts I hear Darth Nefarious' Armor fleet is hiring. Eve is Real |
Dave Stark
3273
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:34:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:If you really need ISK and have 2 accounts I hear Darth Nefarious' Armor fleet is hiring. i heard it's only hiring because it's not making any isk because he's too busy whining about it on the forums. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Matah Kagmi Designs
11409
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:If you really need ISK and have 2 accounts I hear Darth Nefarious' Armor fleet is hiring. i heard it's only hiring because it's not making any isk because he's too busy whining about it on the forums. Dave, the home of witty banter, and 3rd degree burns.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
8
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:06:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Pohbis wrote:ITT dual-boxing PvPer complains other PvPers box more than him I'm dualboxing, not using 20-25 clients. Hmmm .... and what is the difference ... what is allowed? One client? Two clients 20 clients? For a player with one account playing one character you are doing exactly the same thing you complain about. And I remember you from our encounters in and near Rahadalon when you and ALL your team mates used the same tactics. Blegh. You are outnumbered. Suck on it! I don't care if hes using 20 clients, but think he should operate all of them, not a 3rd party software
Your lack of understanding of what human control is, I find disturbing. Are you by any chance an android?
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:32:00 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Pohbis wrote:ITT dual-boxing PvPer complains other PvPers box more than him I'm dualboxing, not using 20-25 clients. Hmmm .... and what is the difference ... what is allowed? One client? Two clients 20 clients? For a player with one account playing one character you are doing exactly the same thing you complain about. And I remember you from our encounters in and near Rahadalon when you and ALL your team mates used the same tactics. Blegh. You are outnumbered. Suck on it! I don't care if hes using 20 clients, but think he should operate all of them, not a 3rd party software Your lack of understanding of what human control is, I find disturbing. Are you by any chance an android?
I fully understand what human control is. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
95
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:34:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Before you start trolling: I have heard The Mittani uses ISBoxer to control all of Goonswarm. Can someone please confirm?
IDK about that, but I did hear that Goonswarm is really just a little over 300 guys who each multibox ~40 accounts. C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
Dave Stark
3276
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:35:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is.
that doesn't come across in your posts. |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is. that doesn't come across in your posts.
Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true. |
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
1023
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:44:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is. that doesn't come across in your posts. Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true. oh? so you mean that there are bots controlling the accounts? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Dave Stark
3276
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:49:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is. that doesn't come across in your posts. Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true.
except, he is. so it is true.
try again. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4000
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:12:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is. that doesn't come across in your posts. Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true. oh? so you mean that there are bots controlling the accounts? If there's bots, you should report it. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
487
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:01:00 -
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I know the current EULA allows ISBoxer under the click duplication label (which was originally just protecting keyboard/mouse macros that didn't make a major impact on gameplay), but honestly, the current state of things is pretty ridiculous.
ISBoxer w/ 5+ accounts is such a huge advantage over alt tabbing and manual control, it's pretty silly.
It's just going to get worse as ISBoxer adds more and more features.
Luckily I'm a trader so I don't have to deal with this BS (although we traders have to deal with tools of a different sort). |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4245
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:42:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Before you start trolling: I have heard The Mittani uses ISBoxer to control all of Goonswarm. Can someone please confirm?
No, simple stuff may be controlled with simple ALT-TAB Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.04 23:51:00 -
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mechtech wrote:I know the current EULA allows ISBoxer under the click duplication label (which was originally just protecting keyboard/mouse macros that didn't make a major impact on gameplay), but honestly, the current state of things is pretty ridiculous.
ISBoxer w/ 5+ accounts is such a huge advantage over alt tabbing and manual control, it's pretty silly.
It's just going to get worse as ISBoxer adds more and more features.
Luckily I'm a trader so I don't have to deal with this BS (although we traders have to deal with tools of a different sort).
Macro =/= duplicator.
Keyboard and mouse macros are allowed as long as they don't automate play. Explained seperately from ISBoxer by CCP.
Neither Macros nor duplication software is banned if it does not cause you to get higher up on the foodchain quicker.
Eve is Real |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
95
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:01:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:mechtech wrote:I know the current EULA allows ISBoxer under the click duplication label (which was originally just protecting keyboard/mouse macros that didn't make a major impact on gameplay), but honestly, the current state of things is pretty ridiculous.
ISBoxer w/ 5+ accounts is such a huge advantage over alt tabbing and manual control, it's pretty silly.
It's just going to get worse as ISBoxer adds more and more features.
Luckily I'm a trader so I don't have to deal with this BS (although we traders have to deal with tools of a different sort). Macro =/= duplicator. Keyboard and mouse macros are allowed as long as they don't automate play. Explained seperately from ISBoxer by CCP. Neither Macros nor duplication software is banned if it does not cause you to get higher up on the foodchain quicker.
Just curious,
Aside from the larger initial investment, how does it not allow you to get higher up the foodchain quicker?
If I start 5 new accounts and use them to blitz missions while skilling up, won't I unlock higher level missions earlier? Once all are properly skilled, won't I be able to alpha nearly anything subcap in the time it takes for me to skill up once (assuming they are all running the same attributes and mirrored queues)?
How is that not getting up the foodchain quicker? C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:12:00 -
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Quote:Just curious,
Aside from the larger initial investment, how does it not allow you to get higher up the foodchain quicker?
If I start 5 new accounts and use them to blitz missions while skilling up, won't I unlock higher level missions earlier? Once all are properly skilled, won't I be able to alpha nearly anything subcap in the time it takes for me to skill up once (assuming they are all running the same attributes and mirrored queues)?
How is that not getting up the foodchain quicker?
You pay 15 bucks a month (or whatever option you choose) per account. You are subject to be alpha'd while in your noob ships. You have to fit each ship so while making the money so you will be spending 5 x the money. you don't get 5x the rewards for completing a mission with 5 characters. Once you get to end game for missioning (in this case) you don't compete the mission 5x faster. You can kill anything in 5 volleys with 1 ship, so you cant just take 5 ships and all shoot the same target.
Again, diminishing returns aren't just an in game issue.
Eve is Real |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
1025
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Grimpak wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is. that doesn't come across in your posts. Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true. oh? so you mean that there are bots controlling the accounts? If there's bots, you should report it. indeed, in case of bots use the report button [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
95
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
You pay 15 bucks a month (or whatever option you choose) per account. You are subject to be alpha'd while in your noob ships. You have to fit each ship so while making the money so you will be spending 5 x the money. you don't get 5x the rewards for completing a mission with 5 characters. Once you get to end game for missioning (in this case) you don't compete the mission 5x faster. You can kill anything in 5 volleys with 1 ship, so you cant just take 5 ships and all shoot the same target.
Again, diminishing returns aren't just an in game issue.
Anyone is subject to be alpha'd in their noob ships.
Initial investment of PLEX will solve spending 5x as much on 5x fits initially. Assuming that my losses are minimal and I treat 4 of the 5 accounts as parasitic twins, I am gathering money faster on the 1 "primary" character than I would if they didn't have the parasitic twins. I could just be running the missions while waiting for all 5 to be trained appropriately for Alpha Tornadoes.
Once I get the Alpha Tornadoes, I stop running missions and start PvPing. It takes me the amount of time to train for the Alpha Tornadoes once, to have a small gang of 5 Alpha Tornadoes with which to "solo" any unsuspecting sucker I can find.
I fail to see what $15/month has to do with my question unless you're saying that I am allowed to have my 4 parasitic twins because I am paying cash for each account. If this is the case, why isn't it ok for a botter to pay cash for each bot they want to run?
Another qualm this raises in my mind is how does this not make Eve Pay2Win? C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
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