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handbanana
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:31:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:TKL HUN wrote:he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone. He wasn't using multiboxing software.
/thread
Bolded for the deaf.
Tonight....you.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:01:00 -
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ITT;
Valid response, change subject.
New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.
Repeat.
All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.
Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.
Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.
OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled. Eve is Real |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:10:00 -
[213] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:ITT;
Valid response, change subject.
New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.
Repeat.
All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.
Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.
Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.
OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled.
I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation. |
Dave Stark
3282
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:11:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.
we'd rather you explain how multiboxing is ruining pvp, frankly. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
699
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:19:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation. we'd rather you explain how multiboxing is ruining pvp, frankly.
This. I haven't read the entire thread, but thus far all I see are assertions that it does ruin the game, with little time given to why, or how. The only "how" you have given in a PvE situation, which, if you didn't care about, you should not have posted.
So please, tell us why and how it ruins pvp. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
38
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:30:00 -
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to the op
I keep reading pvp
yet you are complaining that you got knocked out of a complex(which is pve) in your OP you assert you don't care about pve.
me confused.
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
184
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:42:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:I see you guys don't really understand what I mean.
Yes, you can look after 4 clients if you have 4 monitor.
But what if I go into the complex with a dps ship, and with a falcon?
He will undock 4 more dps ships, and 6 more guardians, and don't tell me he has 15 monitors, and he can take care of 15 clients.
If someone can buy, and use multiboxing software, then EVE will become a pay to win game, which is sad in my opinion with a 10 year history behind EVE. ...what are you talking about? Undock from where? With what accounts? In what ships? How do you magically ~know~ he has "6 more guardians" and "15 clients"? Does he also dual-box a Titan to cyno all of these magical alts in with?
Most dual-boxers (yourself included) use all available accounts. Dual-boxing alt-escalation is not really a thing because dual-boxing is, by its nature, an already tedious enough task that it's typically done on either a small number of accounts that you alt-tab through or by one guy in twenty of the same ship mashing F1. Neither playstyle involves any sort of deeper meta.
Get your alt in a Falcon, jam his logi, and get yourself some free kills. Killing dual-boxers is infinitely easier than killing real fleets. Core Skills | EVE Music | Internet Spaceship Killboard Link |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:46:00 -
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I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:51:00 -
[219] - Quote
TKL HUN wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:ITT;
Valid response, change subject.
New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.
Repeat.
All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.
Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.
Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.
OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled. I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.
Then why have you failed to explain how PvP was ruined by MB software? Why did you use a PvE experience for an example of PvP?
Quote:[quote=TKL HUN]I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc
A 20 man tornado gang paying for the game how? With real money? Its only pay to win like your 2 accounts are. With ingame money? Now you're bringing PvE directly into it, aren't you.
Make up your mind. Eve is Real |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4011
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:54:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I see you guys don't really understand what I mean.
Yes, you can look after 4 clients if you have 4 monitor.
But what if I go into the complex with a dps ship, and with a falcon?
He will undock 4 more dps ships, and 6 more guardians, and don't tell me he has 15 monitors, and he can take care of 15 clients.
If someone can buy, and use multiboxing software, then EVE will become a pay to win game, which is sad in my opinion with a 10 year history behind EVE. ...what are you talking about? Undock from where? With what accounts? In what ships? How do you magically ~know~ he has "6 more guardians" and "15 clients"? Does he also dual-box a Titan to cyno all of these magical alts in with? Most dual-boxers (yourself included) use all available accounts. Dual-boxing alt-escalation is not really a thing because dual-boxing is, by its nature, an already tedious enough task that it's typically done on either a small number of accounts that you alt-tab through or by one guy in twenty of the same ship mashing F1. Neither playstyle involves any sort of deeper meta. Get your alt in a Falcon, jam his logi, and get yourself some free kills. Killing dual-boxers is infinitely easier than killing real fleets. He probably has a supercap fleet in case his bridgeing titan jumps instead of bridges.
All for a single complex. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:07:00 -
[221] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:ITT;
Valid response, change subject.
New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.
Repeat.
All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.
Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.
Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.
OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled. I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation. Then why have you failed to explain how PvP was ruined by MB software? Why did you use a PvE experience for an example of PvP? Quote:[quote=TKL HUN]I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc A 20 man tornado gang paying for the game how? With real money? Its only pay to win like your 2 accounts are. With ingame money? Now you're bringing PvE directly into it, aren't you. Make up your mind.
He can't control a 20 man gang without a multiboxing software, so he is paying for one, which can control a 20 man gang for him. If hes paying for 5 accounts, let it be. But that is still an in-game advance. A 3rd party software is not.
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Dave Stark
3283
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:16:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc
i fail to see which of these scenarios is ruined by multiboxing software. nor have you provided proof that any of these encounters contained multiboxers. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3343
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:20:00 -
[223] - Quote
TKL HUN wrote:I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc
So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia pwn-O-graphy
25
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic.
These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all. |
Dave Stark
3283
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:44:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:These examples have nothing to do with logic.
and that's why nobody is taking you seriously. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3344
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:46:00 -
[226] - Quote
TKL HUN wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic. These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.
The gig is up everyone. This guy knows that your fleets are really just 1 person running the entire fleet with ISboxer. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:52:00 -
[227] - Quote
Quote:These examples have nothing to do with logic,
Almost nothing in this thread does. Eve is Real |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
736
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:54:00 -
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Quote: He can't control a 20 man gang without a multiboxing software, so he is paying for one, which can control a 20 man gang for him. If hes paying for 5 accounts, let it be. But that is still an in-game advance. A 3rd party software is not.
I'm absolutely positive I can control a 20 man gang that uses drones set to assist to gank easily. Thanks for playing. Eve is Real |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
8
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:21:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Dave Stark wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I fully understand what human control is. that doesn't come across in your posts. Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true.
He does control all his accounts. He just uses less buttons to guide them.
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Arduemont
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1662
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:30:00 -
[230] - Quote
TKL HUN wrote: These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.
How does he know? One word.
Magic
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
739
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:04:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:TKL HUN wrote: These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.
How does he know? One word. Magic Magic like logic or magic like harry potter and ****?
Eve is Real |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3344
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:42:00 -
[232] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Arduemont wrote:TKL HUN wrote: These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.
How does he know? One word. Magic Magic like logic or magic like harry potter and ****?
Magic like finding out where you live & peaking through your window at night. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:36:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:... Quote:But yeah, multi-account b.s. does degrade the quality of Eve. Would love to see the cost of your ship, ammo, plex, modules, and minerals if they nixed every industry alt.
Having alts log on one at a time to do specialized errands is one thing. Logging on an army of accounts and using a software to control them in battle is botting. I don't see how you can justify it, you click one or two buttons, and the software does all of the rest - on its own. Botting.
In pure botting, you're AFK, but even if you're not AFK, and have to monitor the situation, that's all you're doing. Monitoring and supervising. Your bots are doing the heavy lifting. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
981
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:39:00 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:TKL HUN wrote:I can tell you PVP examples if you want:
- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump) - suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many - 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals
etc etc So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic. These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.
I knew Santa Claus played EVE, do you know when we are sleeping? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
739
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:42:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:... Quote:But yeah, multi-account b.s. does degrade the quality of Eve. Would love to see the cost of your ship, ammo, plex, modules, and minerals if they nixed every industry alt. Having alts log on one at a time to do specialized errands is one thing. Logging on an army of accounts and using a software to control them in battle is botting. I don't see how you can justify it, you click one or two buttons, and the software does all of the rest - on its own. Botting. In pure botting, you're AFK, but even if you're not AFK, and have to monitor the situation, that's all you're doing. Monitoring and supervising. Your bots are doing the heavy lifting.
Logging into an army of accounts and NOT running software is how many industrialists and traders do it. Eve is Real |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3347
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:45:00 -
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The OP is correct of course. Goonswarm is just mittens, dbrb, suas and a handful of other FC's running hundreds of accounts so they can RMT the isk or something. I'm not really a person, I'm just the imaginary persona that exists in the mind of one said FC & my sole imaginary purpose is to grind moons so someone doesn't have to work for a living.
TEST lost Fountain because they obviously don't use multiboxing software. I mean, how could 12000 members possibly stand up to the might of 20 absolutely perfect people that use ISboxer? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.08.06 01:12:00 -
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Spankijs Omaristos wrote:Roime wrote:Spankijs Omaristos wrote:... ... He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it. Yes, and his PC is too crappy to run more than 2 accounts, so he cant use that ISboxer software, so he feels that everyone must be limited just to 2-4 accounts controllable without any 3rd party software..
There! You said it, exactly
If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.
If it was a built in feature of EVE Online, available to all players and it could be used for alts and not just toons from additional accounts, then it would be something available and usable by all, from the start. However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.
Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3348
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Posted - 2013.08.06 01:17:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.
Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.
Perfect control over a fleet can't even be achieved with said 3rd party software. You people have such outlandish ideas on what this software is actually capable of. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1296
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:07:00 -
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top-end multiboxing software convincingly simulates fleet members bumping the titan by mistake and jumping through the gate at the worst possible moment |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
739
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:11:00 -
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Quote:If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.
Absolutely incorrect. 3rd party software is 100% required to run Eve online in any way shape or form. It is not directly compatible with hardware. You need 3rd party software to control any amount of accounts. Eve is Real |
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