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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4290
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:54:00 -
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I'm seriously going to need to take up that drinking game. Otherwise, I doubt I'll be able to keep reading this. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1105
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:08:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:I'm seriously going to need to take up that drinking game. Otherwise, I doubt I'll be able to keep reading this.
It makes life easier.
Perhaps Diana Kim may well be the united cause the State and Federation need to form a peaceful bond... maybe we should start talking about a Federal-State alliance, considering every other concept seems to have been brought up these past few weeks.
Well except an Empire-Republic bond, but that's not likely to happen for several reasons.. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
324
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:11:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:I'm seriously going to need to take up that drinking game. Otherwise, I doubt I'll be able to keep reading this. It makes life easier. Perhaps Diana Kim may well be the united cause the State and Federation need to form a peaceful bond... maybe we should start talking about a Federal-State alliance, considering every other concept seems to have been brought up these past few weeks. Well except an Empire-Republic bond, but that's not likely to happen for several reasons..
We call them heathens, they call us slavers, hurtful words are thrown around, 'We come for our people' will probably be repeated a few times, then everyone moves on. Typical exchange between the Empire and Republic loyalists in a nutshell.
More than a little amused by Ms Akahoshi's remark in another thread that in some ways, the Empire and Federation have more in common than the Federation and Republic or State. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1107
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:16:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:I'm seriously going to need to take up that drinking game. Otherwise, I doubt I'll be able to keep reading this. It makes life easier. Perhaps Diana Kim may well be the united cause the State and Federation need to form a peaceful bond... maybe we should start talking about a Federal-State alliance, considering every other concept seems to have been brought up these past few weeks. Well except an Empire-Republic bond, but that's not likely to happen for several reasons.. We call them heathens, they call us slavers, hurtful words are thrown around, 'We come for our people' will probably be repeated a few times, then everyone moves on. Typical exchange between the Empire and Republic loyalists in a nutshell. More than a little amused by Ms Akahoshi's remark in another thread that in some ways, the Empire and Federation have more in common than the Federation and Republic or State.
If the issue of slavery wasn't there, the Empire and the Federation would probably be the very best of friends.
Anyway! I have come up with the ultimate solution to this endless back and forth debate. Gesakaarin and Kim must compete in the most honoured and ancient form of martial combat...
BIKINI JELLO WRESTLING!!!
The winner is clearly the Federal traitor, as only someone who embraces the Federation could be able to compete effectively in such a vile and degrading scenario. Such a "sport" is de meaningful to true combat AND IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE D...
You get the idea. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1416
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:32:00 -
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I'll be your second, Gesakaarin-kirjuun.
My advice is choose a flavour of jello you can live with but which isn't your favourite. I just can't look at a bowl of lime jello anymore without getting flashbacks. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1107
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:34:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'll be your second, Gesakaarin-kirjuun.
Afraid I must insist there be no substitutes in this honour duel.
If for anything to spare us all the sight of you in a bikini, Captain Tuulinen. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
856
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:35:00 -
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Given the repeated requests, I'm sure we might be able to accommodate something of the sort at the Masque with a bit of effort.
The area in the center under the holoprojection field does have a retracting floor... Morwen Lagann Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4298
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:40:00 -
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Oh, gods. Wasn't the last mud wrestling match interrupted with an assassination attempt?
Now I remember why I don't associate closely with you all... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1417
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:50:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'll be your second, Gesakaarin-kirjuun. Afraid I must insist there be no substitutes in this honour duel. If for anything to spare us all the sight of you in a bikini, Captain Tuulinen.
I've served my time in Lime-flavoured hell, Captain Marellus. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4298
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:51:00 -
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2013.08.13 20:56:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Diana Kim wrote: More like because of traitors like you.
Foolish kid, I'm not a traitor. I know why the Federation must be destroyed unlike you, Gallente Traitor. Negative. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2013.08.13 20:58:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote: Perhaps Diana Kim may well be the united cause the State and Federation need to form a peaceful bond... maybe we should start talking about a Federal-State alliance, considering every other concept seems to have been brought up these past few weeks.
Only after all gallenteans will die out.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1593
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Posted - 2013.08.14 04:36:00 -
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You still haven't answered my question. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
516
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Posted - 2013.08.14 04:47:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Diana Kim wrote:You are gallentean. You never will, nor can't understand what it means to be Caldari. So imagine the Caldari conquer a world of the Federation and, lo an behold, somewhere on that world is a Gallentean orphan who ends up being adopted by a Caldari family. Over the years they are raised in the ways of the State, with Caldari culture and values imprinted on them by their dutiful adopted parents. Tell me, when they grew up would you consider that person to be Gallentean or Caldari? Oh, please excuse me, Ms. Luftschreck.
Well, this is quite hard question. You see, in Caldari society it doesn't matter, who you are. We aren't just Deteis, Civire or Achura, but Caldari. So, theoretically, anyone upbrought by our society should be Caldari.
Except gallente. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1593
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Posted - 2013.08.14 05:10:00 -
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Interesting. I asked because, as you know, out here in the Mandate I am far from alone in my belief that the definition of Amarrian is "One who practices the Amarrian Faith & culture." Regardless of where someone came from or their heritage, if they accept our God and our way of life then that makes them Amarrian. Basing things based off the notion of "bloodlines" ... well, that's how savages think.
So I had to wonder if it your hate was directed at the Gallente government & culture - which I can understand, if not relate to ... or if you thought there was some sort of genetic component to it - which would frankly sicken me, as it reeks of the genocidal crap they tried to indoctrinate us with in the Republic.
In case you were wondering, my mother was an Amarrian from the core worlds, but my father was (technically) from a Brutor bloodline that was emancipated for merit several generations ago. They moved out to the Mandate before I was born, along with my aunt (my mother's sister, also Amarrian by birth) and her husband, my uncle, who was born in the Federation but had converted to the Amarrian Faith and thus immigrated here and became an upstanding Amarrian citizen (he was a doctor, in case you were wondering).
Yet despite out different backgrounds and the mish-mash of genetics, we were all loyal Amarrians, serving God and Empress with pride.
So I guess what I'm saying is that to me it is a person's culture that matters, not their genetics. And before anyone asks, yes I consider the Khanid to be Amarrian as well. They may operate with a different government than ours, but their Faith and culture keeps them kin. And obviously ditto for the Mandate. I don't consider the people here to be Matari or "Ammatar" - we're all Amarrians and, like the Khanid, we simply operate under a different government (although obviously much more closely connected to the Empire than the Kingdom is).
What puzzles me is that on one hand you express a similar philosophy about every little "ethnic" group in all of New Eden when it comes to what makes a good citizen of the state, but then suddenly make an exception for someone born in the Federation. It's kind of confusing, really.
I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that the State somehow manages to conquer the entire Federation. What then? If you were in charge, I mean. Naturally I assume you'd waste no time replacing Federation culture with State culture. Heck, anyone in the State would do that - it's not unreasonable. But if you think that their people can't ever be assimilated, what then? Keep their entire population in work camps (trust the Amarrians on this - it's more trouble than it's worth)? Segregate them forever? Or just begin a campaign of genocidal extermination so severe that it would make Shakor cringe, until nothing was left but barren, empty worlds filled with nothing but graves?
Please tell me you're not too blinded by hate to see the logic of what I'm saying, here. If there is anything you should learn from us, your Amarrian allies, is that in the long run assimilation is far better than extermination. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1434
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Posted - 2013.08.14 06:19:00 -
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The State proper makes a requirement of service and adoption of our culture in order to make a citizen. There is, indeed, some social importance attached to bloodline, but this is more because of the cultural values deemed to be inherent in being, say, a Civire or a Deteis, not because it's believed that genetically we are superior.
Ironically, because of genengineering many tubechildren ARE genetically superior in diverse ways, but that's another kettle of RNA.
That said, 'proving yourself' can be a multi-generational endeavour within the State - we venerate our ancestors and whilst merit determines the outcomes of opportunities you might receive in life, it can often be the work of your parents that gets you that all-important first chance to impress. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
517
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Posted - 2013.08.14 06:19:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: In case you were wondering, my mother was an Amarrian from the core worlds, but my father was (technically) from a Brutor bloodline that was emancipated for merit several generations ago. They moved out to the Mandate before I was born, along with my aunt (my mother's sister, also Amarrian by birth) and her husband, my uncle, who was born in the Federation but had converted to the Amarrian Faith and thus immigrated here and became an upstanding Amarrian citizen (he was a doctor, in case you were wondering).
Yet despite out different backgrounds and the mish-mash of genetics, we were all loyal Amarrians, serving God and Empress with pride.
Well, there is a bit of complication about this matter in the State. Of course, it doesn't matter, who your parents were, Deteis, Amarrian or Brutor. But in Caldari society, in more... personal matters, bloodlines are kept intact. Roughly speaking, Deteis marries Deteis, Civire marries Civire, but Deteis doesn't marry Civire. Of course, peoples of mixed bloodline are still Caldari, but for them two difficulties arise:
1. They might be discriminated in underdeveloped societies, like among kids. Life for mixed blood children can be quite harsh, because small kids are not properly educated yet in Caldari ways. Sometimes it could be found even in teenage or even older communities. But generally the older and wiser the community, the less discrimination or insulting appears. In proper adult Caldari community such problem will never arise.
2. But there is another problem, that will arise only for adult Caldari community: since bloodlines stay together, it will be practically impossible for an offspring of mixed blood to create a family. But even if somehow miracle happens and such family will be created, their children will have same problems, and thus it is not advised.
Katran Luftschreck wrote: So I guess what I'm saying is that to me it is a person's culture that matters, not their genetics. And before anyone asks, yes I consider the Khanid to be Amarrian as well. They may operate with a different government than ours, but their Faith and culture keeps them kin. And obviously ditto for the Mandate. I don't consider the people here to be Matari or "Ammatar" - we're all Amarrians and, like the Khanid, we simply operate under a different government (although obviously much more closely connected to the Empire than the Kingdom is).
Yes, indeed, it is culture that matters and makes you Caldari. However, we shouldn't cast out genetics. You see, genes determine, who we are: humans, furriers, flies, grass or bacteria. They make all of us different, and bloodlines differentiate us even further than simple differences between individuals inside bloodline. Visual differences are only the top of an iceberg, the real mass of which is hidden beneath the water. What different genome does, is different biochemistry in each of our cells. Different biochemistry leads to different properties and abilities up to different process of thoughts.
Katran Luftschreck wrote: What puzzles me is that on one hand you express a similar philosophy about every little "ethnic" group in all of New Eden when it comes to what makes a good citizen of the state, but then suddenly make an exception for someone born in the Federation. It's kind of confusing, really.
As a continuation of my thought, gallentean genes are source of hedonism and indecency. They will rot any society they will get into. Peoples with gallente genes are generally stupidier, self-righteous and egoistical.
Katran Luftschreck wrote: I mean, let's say for the sake of argument that the State somehow manages to conquer the entire Federation. What then? If you were in charge, I mean. Naturally I assume you'd waste no time replacing Federation culture with State culture. Heck, anyone in the State would do that - it's not unreasonable. But if you think that their people can't ever be assimilated, what then? Keep their entire population in work camps (trust the Amarrians on this - it's more trouble than it's worth)? Segregate them forever? Or just begin a campaign of genocidal extermination so severe that it would make Shakor cringe, until nothing was left but barren, empty worlds filled with nothing but graves?
Oh, I have answered this quite a lot of times already. How I see it, that after destruction of the Federation, the gallentean worlds should be quarantined, while others should be presented with possibility to either join the State or to stay to organize themselves in any way they will want - provided no intervention from galletenas to their affairs will be made.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4422
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Posted - 2013.08.16 00:16:00 -
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On a more relevant point to the topic at hand, it seems Oiritsuu was well aware of concerns such as mine; she's staked a substantial portion of her personal fortune on the outcome of her efforts to revitalize KK.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/kk-stock-rises-on-back-of-oiritsuu-pledge/
Well done, Oiritsuu-haani; the board's faith in you appears well-placed! |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2070
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Posted - 2013.08.16 00:50:00 -
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Frankly, if 40% of your personal wealth is enough to shore up a megacorporation, the remaining 60% means you're not taking that much of a risk anyway.
Still, I thoroughly approve of the move. Haatakan Oiritsuu demonstrates her shrewdness and acumen once again. Next to the blunt force trauma of the previous CEO, her particular brand of wily sagacity is going to be refreshing to watch. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4424
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:53:00 -
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Surely not life and limb, but an executive's risks are not a soldier's. Even if the loan is repaid, Oiritsuu takes a loss -- care of inflation and opportunity cost. I haven't been following monetary policy lately, but I suspect that bond rates are fairly high to reduce inflationary pressure, given CONCORD's increasing issuance of ISK in the face of continued Sansha activity.
But either way, we agree; it's bold and commendable. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1489
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:03:00 -
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A bold five year plan. A return to profitability and an aggressive strategy to reclaim market share.
Ahhh... The winds of change blow through KK! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
524
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Posted - 2013.08.20 06:43:00 -
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Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way. You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold. |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
353
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Posted - 2013.08.20 07:21:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.
It has? |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3233
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Posted - 2013.08.20 12:09:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way. You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold. You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was.
As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1490
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Posted - 2013.08.20 18:29:00 -
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"Oritsuu-haani is now Gallentean. The corporation founded by Mathias Sobaseki is now Gallentean."
*whistles and turns to look over his shoulder* "Hey, Ensign Laanidei, call the Brigadier-General and tell him to bring those Marines down off that wall. Then call the CEP and tell them we're surrendering our position in Black Rise. The War's over and we lost."
*off camera* "Yes, Sir!"
"Ensign. Don't make those calls. Thinking about it, perhaps Diana Kim is mistaken and it's still our duty to stay out there and fight for the State. Yes, actually I'm sure that's the case. The more I think about her statements the more ridiculous they sound." |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2013.08.20 21:08:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way. You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold. You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was. As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it. And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
597
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Posted - 2013.08.20 21:16:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way. You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold. You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was. As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it. And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it.
I think my irony meter just broke.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3238
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:27:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it. Then tell me, how am I wrong in any of the assessments I just made, idiot? Mane 614
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:38:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Diana Kim wrote:And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it. Then tell me, how am I wrong in any of the assessments I just made, idiot? I don't even need. You have just confirmed yourself my point with a single line. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3238
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:16:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I don't even need. Yes you do - or else you're conceeding that my points are correct. That's what lack of refutation means. Mane 614
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