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Aloron
White-Noise
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Posted - 2013.08.04 14:46:00 -
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Hi Everyone,
My friend just started playing Dust514 , and spent all his money on skill books .. I would like to help him out , but as an Eve player I didn't see a way to send him some money ..
How might this be done , or can it even be done ?
thanks for the help .. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
580
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:02:00 -
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They havn't allowed this yet. I see it bringing only benefits if they let us send ISK across. I'd love to be able to sponsor my own little army.
But unfortunately I have a feeling they don't want to do it because they fear PLEX prices will fall if people transfer their ISK back to EVE so they won't have to pay for EVE sub. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Zanzbar
BetaMax Beta
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:06:00 -
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there is not currently any way to transfer isk or anything else. interaction is limited to communication, factional war, and orbital strikes in both faction war and molden heath where the platetary conquest is in its infancy |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4519
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Posted - 2013.08.05 03:32:00 -
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Not yet... Dust 514's CPM 0 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.-á |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2013.08.05 12:52:00 -
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They need to put Dust down and out of its misery. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Zanzbar
BetaMax Beta
155
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:03:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:They need to put Dust down and out of its misery.
and you need a better pastime so you wont have to resort to making such pointless posts |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:41:00 -
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Zanzbar wrote:RomeStar wrote:They need to put Dust down and out of its misery. and you need a better pastime so you wont have to resort to making such pointless posts
http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
see for yourself the #'s are dropping.
Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4519
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Posted - 2013.08.07 03:35:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Zanzbar wrote:RomeStar wrote:They need to put Dust down and out of its misery. and you need a better pastime so you wont have to resort to making such pointless posts http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustsee for yourself the #'s are dropping.
Lol that chart says its stable.
Dust 514's CPM 0 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.-á |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
511
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Posted - 2013.08.07 04:25:00 -
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Interesting graphs but they do not seem to show total unique players each day so it is hard to tell if true player numbers are up or down accurately as it is possible people are just playing at different times of day due to seasons/holidays etc.
However: About 4000ish in dust at the moment. How many of the 4000 are people who are logged in at any one time are only logged in to see where their SP are at and do not play any matches?
By looking at how new Dust is (14/5/2013) and that you can just hit download for free without needed to shave off our eve induced neckbeards before going to the shops - people can only assume CCP must have made TENS OF DOLLARS from dust or spent millions of dollars that could have gone into improving eve.
It really is a shame as Dust was such a great idea.
From the Faction War perspective: When Dust really integrates with eve and it becomes the shared universe promised, maybe it will pick up but at the moment I think most FW players would prefer it's influence be completely removed from Faction Wars sov system. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Pugzilla Black
ACE Salvage Company
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:57:00 -
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I am trying to figure out why I would risk a ship to help some people on a PS3 playing a 1st person shooter. Sure, the Duster gets some space dude to blast some bad guys waaaaaaaaaaaay out from space. BUT... as the space dude, what's in it for me? Evidently I do not get ISK. Do I get skill points or loot or beer?
Seriously... I do want to know what's in it for us space dudes and dudets. |
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Reizak StormFury
Engineering Evolutions Limited Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:02:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Zanzbar wrote:RomeStar wrote:They need to put Dust down and out of its misery. and you need a better pastime so you wont have to resort to making such pointless posts http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustsee for yourself the #'s are dropping.
Where did you learn to read graphs?
Population looks stable pretty damn stable to me... If anything, since 1.3 dropped it's popularity has increased.
As for the interactions between DUST and EVE, they... Well... They suck. Basically.
CCP have been VERY quiet about the link between DUST and EVE for quite some time now.
We can only speculate about why this is, but personally, I think DUST wasn't anywhere near as popular as they thought it was, so they slashed the DUST teams budget (and therefore the team was shrunk).
A smaller workforce, working on a buggy beta game, where things are still considerably far behind its competitors, does not bode well for anymore interactions between DUST and EVE coming soon... If ever.
I'd say, "Don't hold your breath"... Silence from developers is rarely a good thing. |
Vivace Naaris
Oberste Munitions
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:16:00 -
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I'm almost 100% certain that the reason ISK transfers are not allowed is because the economies hold different values. In other words, the DUST ISK is not the same value as the EVE ISK. If the two were to suddenly just open, the economy of both (well, just EVE since DUST is static) would fluctuate violently. They have to find a way to introduce the two to the other. |
Kane Spero
Spero Escrow Services
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:32:00 -
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Aloron wrote:Hi Everyone,
My friend just started playing Dust514 , and spent all his money on skill books .. I would like to help him out , but as an Eve player I didn't see a way to send him some money ..
How might this be done , or can it even be done ?
thanks for the help ..
I've actually been running a currency exchange service that converts Eve ISK to Dust ISK for around 3 months now, so yes it is possible. I've even sold PLEX for Dust ISK. Personally I would like it if a player solution was no longer needed to transfer ISK between the games, but you work with what you've got.
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Pamuku 420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:31:00 -
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Pugzilla Black wrote:I am trying to figure out why I would risk a ship to help some people on a PS3 playing a 1st person shooter. Sure, the Duster gets some space dude to blast some bad guys waaaaaaaaaaaay out from space. BUT... as the space dude, what's in it for me? Evidently I do not get ISK. Do I get skill points or loot or beer?
Seriously... I do want to know what's in it for us space dudes and dudets.
how about if they are in your corp you keep districts and the such. Dont be so bitter, its not like it so hard for you to hit a few buttons set your direction and hit auto pilot... people who post half thought out plans are as pointless as their posts.
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Pamuku 420tyme
RedBerry Genocide
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:35:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:They havn't allowed this yet. I see it bringing only benefits if they let us send ISK across. I'd love to be able to sponsor my own little army.
But unfortunately I have a feeling they don't want to do it because they fear PLEX prices will fall if people transfer their ISK back to EVE so they won't have to pay for EVE sub.
It would take WWWAAYYY to long on dust to earn enough isk for PLEX. all they can do is shoot in a match for 15 min and if they run an infinite fit they might make 150k-200k profit. maybe. In some aspects DUST 514 is harder then EVE |
Min Lo
Docwagon
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Posted - 2013.09.29 14:20:00 -
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Aloron wrote:Hi Everyone,
My friend just started playing Dust514 , and spent all his money on skill books .. I would like to help him out , but as an Eve player I didn't see a way to send him some money ..
How might this be done , or can it even be done ?
thanks for the help ..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=278067&find=unread
At what rate of exchange are you willing to trade Eve ISK for Dust ISK?
I have about 200M Dust ISK available; about 30B Eve Isk. Until competition narrows the margin, I'll make an initial offer of 100:1 for transfers from Eve to Dust, and 1:50 from Dust to Eve. Narrowing that margin as my available reserves deplete in one direction or the other.
In other words, you can buy your Dust buddy 5M Dust isk at a cost of 500M Eve isk.
Feel free to send me, Min Lo, an eve mail, or my Dust-side alt, Gyn Wallace, a Dust-mail.
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Min Lo
Docwagon
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Posted - 2013.10.04 00:07:00 -
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Min Lo wrote: I'll make an initial offer of 100:1 for transfers from Eve to Dust, and 1:50 from Dust to Eve. Narrowing that margin as my available reserves deplete in one direction or the other.
In other words, you can buy your Dust buddy 5M Dust isk at a cost of 500M Eve isk.
Feel free to send me, Min Lo, an eve mail, or my Dust-side alt, Gyn Wallace, a Dust-mail.
I'm revising that offered exchange rate, in light of:
Flint Beastgood III wrote:Gyn Wallace wrote:As I've received no feedback from anyone suggesting that this is a violation of any rule, I'm opening the exchange.
If you would like to plex an Eve Online account with your Dust profits, I'm offering to transfer your Dust isk in to Eve isk at a 1:50 exchange rate.
12M Dust isk buys 600M Eve isk That is, if you have a spare 12M Dust isk, I'll accept it, and deliver 600M Eve isk to your Eve character, from Min Lo, my Eve-side alt.
600M Eve isk buys 6M Dust isk If you have an Eve-side character with Eve-isk to spare, I'll exchange it to Dust isk at a 100:1 rate. 600M Eve isk delivered to Min Lo, buys 6M Dust isk, transfered to your Dust friend from this character.
Those are initial exchange rates; which will be tweaked in response to one-sided demand drawing down my reserves of either currency, currently about 200M Dust isk and 30B Eve isk.
If you want to try Eve Online, and plex your Eve account (rather than paying your own real world currency to CCP), after the initial free trial expires, you can either earn about 550M Eve-isk per month in Eve, or about 11.5M Dust Isk per month, and then exchange it into Eve, to support playing Eve Online. Hey, this sounds good. I was thinking about getting into EVE and this could be the decider. I wouldn't spend real money on it since I'm not a PC gamer and wouldn't spend too much time on it, but if this method allows me to essentially pay for my subscription with ISK from DUST then I'd be good. 12M a month? Bargain! I wouldn't even have to work hard to pay for it :D I remember feitlebaum saying you could pay for an EVE sub with ISK but it sounded like a lot of work to make the ISK EVE-side. Your method is a godsend in that respect. EDIT: hell, I may even do it just to "buy" your EVE ISK from you in the hope that once the cross-market opens the exhange rates go in my favour and net me some nice profit ;) haha. I could buy 12 billion of your ISK outright :) EDIT2: Probably shooting myself in the foot, but I'm all for openness and honesty so... If it can be a chore or hard/time consuming to get enough money in EVE to plex your account it makes sense it should be as hard (or take as long to accumulate enough money in ISK), thus making a 10:1/1:10 exhange rate between EVE and DUST more suitable. Thay way you would have to make 60 million per month in DUST just to send to EVE, so you'd have to be making more on top of that unless you only run BPOs or have a large stockpile of gear (or never die, lol). 12M ISK is too easy to gain in a month (IMO).
and my response:
Gyn Wallace wrote:I was planning on adjusting the exchange rate, if the exchanges turn out to be completely one sided at my initial rate. In other words, I'm still perfectly happy to exchange 600M Eve isk to your Eve character, in exchange for 12M Dust isk, instead of 60M Dust isk, but I'd gradually bump the exchange closer to the 10:1/1:10 rate you describe, if everybody wants to exchange their Dust isk for Eve isk, and my Eve isk reserves begin to shrink. If you want another 600M Eve isk, I'd charge 14M Dust isk, for the second batch. 16M Dust isk for the third batch of 600M Eve isk. 18M Dust isk for the fourth batch of 600M Eve isk. 20M Dust isk for the fifth batch of 600M Eve isk. 23M Dust isk for the sixth batch of 600M Eve isk. 26M Dust isk for the seventh batch. 29M Dust isk for the eigth batch. 32M Dust isk for the ninth batch. 36M Dust isk for the tenth batch. And so on, interrupting that climb as soon as I start getting customers in the opposite direction. As soon as I get people who want to exchange Eve isk for Dust Isk, I can begin to stabilize the exchange rate, starting off at about half of whatever my last Dust to Eve exchange was. If you want the first ten batches for 6B Eve isk, it would cost you 226M dust isk, and I'd then be offering Eve Online players batches of 18M Dust isk for 600M Eve isk, adjusting the amount of Dust isk up closer to 36:600 with repeat business. Also, if you want me to get a referral, you can sign up for your free trial via: https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=b97cac8d-261b-4df5-a663-faf57c36d383&action=buddySo you can get a 21 day trial instead of 14 days, and if you then upgrade your account (including via a plex) I'll get a reward I can split with you. If several people do that, it greatly mitigates my risk of miscalculating the initial exchange rate. If you already know someone else who plays Eve Online, you can get them to invite you instead so they'll get the reward. Ask them for a buddy invite.
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Min Lo
Docwagon
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:00:00 -
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An update from the Dust forums:
I'm thinking about modifying the offered exchange rate away from 1:50 Dust to Eve and 100:1 Eve to Dust, next week, since there seems to be more interest in Dust players trying Eve, than Eve players funding their or their friends playing of Dust.
I'm thinking a rate more like 1:40 and 80:1 might draw more interest in isk traffic from Eve to Dust. Since an Eve plex costs a bit under 600M isk, and makes a nice reference point for minimum batch sizes, that would be:
Next week's proposed rate (beginning Oct. 6th, 2013):
15M Dust isk buys 600M Eve isk, and 600M Eve isk buys 7.5M Dust isk.
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I'm also thinking about foregoing any kind of escrow services, to secure these exchanges, in light of my recently rereading the Dust forum rules and finding,
"In addition, you agree not to use the Site for any unlawful purpose or in any way that might harm, damage, or disparage any other party. " - Dust Forum rules, from dust514.com/terms-of-use , emphasis added.
That's a lot less scammer friendly than Eve Online typically is. I think that means that I should expect to get banned if I were a scammer trying to rip people off on the Dust forums. So unless someone gives me a good reason to reconsider, I'm getting less interested in paying a third party to secure these transactions. If someone else want to pay for it though, I'd still consider delivering first, to someone as well known as Chribba, if someone wants to pay him for his escrow services, out of their pocket, out of their side of the exchange rate. I'll follow up some time with a hypothetical for how I'd imagine/propose that would work.
Right now, I'll state clearly and unequivocally, that if you make an agreement with me here on the Dust forums, I'll fulfill that agreement so that if you send me Dust isk to be exchanged for Eve isk, I'll complete the transaction, or if I CAN'T (perhaps someone deletes their Eve character or gives me an Eve character name that doesn't exist, so I CAN'T complete a transaction) I'll refund the Dust isk.
Similarly, for the benefit of Eve players who wish to transfer isk to their Dust players, I will either complete agreements made here on the Dust forums to exchange Eve isk for Dust isk to your Dust character, or refund Eve isk for transactions I CAN'T complete.
Gyn Wallace, Dust-side Min Lo, Eve-side
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AveryFaneActual
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:10:00 -
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great scam +1 |
eatsbabies cienfuegos
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:21:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:They need to put Dust down and out of its misery.
with a killboard like yours i'm wondering if you shouldn't just biomass yourself. |
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eatsbabies cienfuegos
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:22:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Zanzbar wrote:RomeStar wrote:They need to put Dust down and out of its misery. and you need a better pastime so you wont have to resort to making such pointless posts http://eve-offline.net/?server=dustsee for yourself the #'s are dropping.
this guy can't read either? wtf is wrong with this guy? |
Darian en Chasteaux
Matarian Mercs
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:58:00 -
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you blind fools
perhaps an aurum or 2 will shed some light?
perhaps a holdings character or 2 in Eve for Dust corp holdings...there are many ways...to the end
darian |
Cross C Ragweed
Uinta Logistics
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:28:00 -
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Pugzilla Black wrote:I am trying to figure out why I would risk a ship to help some people on a PS3 playing a 1st person shooter. Sure, the Duster gets some space dude to blast some bad guys waaaaaaaaaaaay out from space. BUT... as the space dude, what's in it for me? Evidently I do not get ISK. Do I get skill points or loot or beer?
Seriously... I do want to know what's in it for us space dudes and dudets.
This is going to change, and likely soon (maybe dust 1.7?)
I attended the following, with CCP representation telling us its basically already coded up almost like a FW plex, only without an acceleration gate. A likely change (based on a lot of player heat from the meeting) will move from a beacon "capture" to both sides being able to "connect"
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=297054&find=unread
This will be some cool and fun stuff for Eve side pilots and is already reporting some very fun fleet battles (currently for no reward, wait till it pays as well as any FW plexing).
As for transferring money from Eve to Dust, Dust has a big FW change on the way that will move it from ISK based reward to LP based, which will bring the need for the free market for the LP to be useful/desirable for players ... just like in eve ... you need the market to convert lp to isk.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1404916#post1404916
It'll happen.
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Saul Elsyn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:33:00 -
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Ultimately, though it will require getting the Dust and EVE marketplaces fully connected, we could see things like LP rewards for dust kills, just like we get LP rewards for PvP kills based on the value of the vehicles and dropsuit fits taken out.
I think once we see PvE being introduced to Dust 514, you can expect to see the way people make isk in Dust change radically to a form more in line with what we've got in EvE Online.
I wonder when they'll decide to turn friendly fire on everywhere and give all the dust players a security status. I wonder how long till we see -10 dust players. XD |
Kane Spero
Spero Escrow Services Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:20:00 -
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For now ISK between games must be passed through player exchange services. I've been doing exchanges since Dust launched so feel free to drop me a mail for rates.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83727
The linking of the Dust and Eve economies really is one of the most important steps in finalizing a tangible link between the games.
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