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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:50:00 -
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Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue. |
Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
127
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:57:00 -
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Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside?
Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ?
Pick your fights better mate. |
neo smith
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:00:00 -
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#1 dont warp into a plex(in a brawler) that has a kiter in it. unless you have a mwd web/scram
#2 the other pilot has to warp to the same beacon also. you could get into plex first and then he has to warp into your range web/scram also needed
#3 ?
#4 profit
90% off your losses are not down to blasters. its your tactics
Neo |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:03:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ? Pick your fights better mate.
Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?
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Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
127
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:05:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Salicaz wrote:Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ? Pick your fights better mate. Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?
Warp to another plex and set up like they have at your opitmal and kite brawlers coming in. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:07:00 -
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Salicaz wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Salicaz wrote:Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ? Pick your fights better mate. Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do? Warp to another plex and set up like they have at your opitmal and kite brawlers coming in.
I don't want to wait around doing nothing.
Anyway why should they come into my plex if they can see me?
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Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
127
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:09:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Salicaz wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Salicaz wrote:Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ? Pick your fights better mate. Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do? Warp to another plex and set up like they have at your opitmal and kite brawlers coming in. I don't want to wait around doing nothing. Anyway why should they come into my plex if they can see me?
Because people do. 90% of your loses you said. :) |
Cara Forelli
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:11:00 -
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It seems like you learned nothing from the rockets thread. I will help you again
As a Caldari pilot I can't seem to ever win a fight against blaster boats. In FW they are able to camp the warp-in, leaving me with no chance to kite when I enter the plex. How can blasters be countered effectively?
The answer, as others have said, is to pick your fights carefully. EvE is foremost a game of counters. If a blaster boat is right on top of your kiter, it will always win. Flying kiting ships is a game where you position yourself carefully so that you are never caught (and it's one of the hardest things in the game). Use D-scan to check the plex, and if you see a Merlin or Incursus, don't warp in. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:15:00 -
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then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space |
Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
127
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:18:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space
Use a minmatar boat and orbit in fall off at like 7-8k, or rockets. Web them and maintain it outside of their blaster range. |
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Cara Forelli
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:24:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space
Incursus is especially tricky because of it's falloff range bonus, making it harder to kite. However, a Condor is much faster and light missiles will give you enough range to kite it. Train your navigation skills up to increase your speed and agility. You HAVE to be able to pull range or it will kill you very quickly since you are made of paper. I'm by no means an expert, but it can be done with good piloting. Like I said before, it's NOT easy. Frigate fights are some of the most challenging in the game because of the high speeds and quick action. One mistake will leave you with a fiery wreck |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1446
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:25:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.
Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:32:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue. Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor.
one problem
I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed.
And I can't train for them because tech 2 light missile take 10 days and I'm trying to get my skills up to run my Raven battleship so I run level 4 missions so I can get the ISK to afford PvP
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=265535 |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1446
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:34:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue. Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor. one problem I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed.
You obviously missed the key point in my post. Let me quote it for you:
Quote:... train up your own blaster boat...
Having already trained missiles does not mean you can never train blaster skills. And as someone has already said (and I said, too) take a week and train them up. I don't understand the whining, I truly don't. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:38:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue. Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor. one problem I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed. You obviously missed the key point in my post. Let me quote it for you: Quote:... train up your own blaster boat... Having already trained missiles does not mean you can never train blaster skills. And as someone has already said (and I said, too) take a week and train them up. I don't understand the whining, I truly don't.
check again I've said why I can't spend the time to retrain.
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Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence
54
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:36:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: check again I've said why I can't spend the time to retrain.
Put simply, you stated you're training for T2 Raven fits for run PvE content to get ISK to afford PvP. That is an excuse as to why you can't take a week to train for T2 blasters. A week. Unless you only have a month of EVE left in your life one week will allow you to PvP more effectively and isn't excluded from you because of T2 missiles. I trained T2 missiles, blasters, lasers, and guns. I wasn't restricted because I started with missiles...
At the end of the day your excuse is telling us that PvE content is what you want, not PvP. Food for thought, you don't need a T2 Raven to run L4's. Rarely will anyone tell you that it's a requirement, and if they do, they're lying (as a blanket statement). So, train T2 blasters and PvP away while you're getting your T2 Raven fit. Or keep working towards your Raven fit but don't be as effective in PvP.
Or, you know... try a different tactic. God forbid. It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. |
Julius Foederatus
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
203
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:41:00 -
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Guys, this is such an obvious troll, please stop feeding him.
I'll give you 2/10 because you actually got some responses, but seriously man, totally uncreative, especially after the rockets thread. |
Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
177
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:01:00 -
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Complaints and excuses, this thread is full of them. Just because someone beat you with something doesn't mean it's OP. A saying I like is, "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." - Scissors
I love fighting blaster boats, nuets and TD's destroy blaster boats. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:09:00 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Complaints and excuses, this thread is full of them. Just because someone beat you with something doesn't mean it's OP. A saying I like is, "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." - Scissors
I love fighting blaster boats, nuets and TD's destroy blaster boats.
your corp has blown me up a couple of times
And I don't like it when I'm blown to its in 10 seconds.
I'm sure I could like pvp in this game if it was slower and I had more health. But I can't risk battlecruisers so I have to stick to these bad frigates. |
Psychotic Monk
Big Red Wardec Co Petition Blizzard
1448
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:16:00 -
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Frigates are not bad. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
39
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Posted - 2013.08.05 19:39:00 -
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For him everything in eve will be forever broken.
Sorry that you can't spend 3 weeks power leveling than lfr grinding to be uber.
edit: snipe |
Liam Inkuras
Justified Chaos
370
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:19:00 -
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I was going to give a response to this, but your stubbornness and negativity has depressed me past a point of thought. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
23
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:22:00 -
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ok I got in a state about this and now that I've won a fight (once again against a new player) I'm feeling a lot better.
Now all I need is EVE kill to recognise it to show you lot. I think I've upset EVE kill and its not recording my kills. |
Fret Thiesant
Oregon Trail rising
29
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:25:00 -
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You'll make more plexing than running level 4's in an underskilled raven.
A lot more. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
550
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:28:00 -
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2/10 for eliciting responses out of what is an obvious troll. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
Drax Concrilla
Friends with no benefits ASCENSI0N.
13
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:29:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue. Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor. one problem I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed. And I can't train for them because tech 2 light missile take 10 days and I'm trying to get my skills up to run my Raven battleship so I run level 4 missions so I can get the ISK to afford PvP https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=265535
Why have you not trained up T2 LMLs/Rockets yet? That rocket thread is at least a week old - so you should have one of them to t2 by now. Why are you training for a Raven to "make isk for PvP" when you could be making boatloads in FW orbiting a button?
You don't make sense.
Also, in regards to your (paraphrased) reply, "Why would they come into my plex when they can see me?" Why did you go into their plex when you could see them? That's the same reason they would come into your plex when they see you.
If I remember right you're using a freakin' LML Condor so you shouldn't need to whine so much - here's the formula for victory: 1) Enter plex 2) Sit at optimal range from the BEACON (not the button) and inside of button range 3) No one comes? Sit and reap free LP
OR
3) Someone comes in - hit orbit at optimal, probably 20km 4) Point them, kite to death - run away if things go sour.
Ta da! |
Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence
54
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:33:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Dread Operative wrote:Complaints and excuses, this thread is full of them. Just because someone beat you with something doesn't mean it's OP. A saying I like is, "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." - Scissors
I love fighting blaster boats, nuets and TD's destroy blaster boats. your corp has blown me up a couple of times And I don't like it when I'm blown to its in 10 seconds. I'm sure I could like pvp in this game if it was slower and I had more health. But I can't risk battlecruisers so I have to stick to these bad frigates.
As was said, frigates are not bad. You yourself are not bad. Your tactics and reasoning is bad. We have more health available to us -- Cruisers. Battlecruisers. Battleships. If you want a slow fight, get into one of those. Frigates are fast and paper thin sometimes. That's part of the thrill of frigate combat. Get in, and a fight can last 30 seconds (that's an eternity for a frig fight) or 3 seconds. If you can't afford it right now, I suggest passive income like PI or trading. Sure, it's not fighting, but you stated earlier you're not primarily interested in PvP. Nothing in EVE is instant. Accept this or play FFXI. The PvP there is amazingly slow.
And yes, I like the rock, paper, scissors quote. It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
541
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:27:00 -
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I'm feeling really nice after leroying my squad into lots of silly fights last night and getting them kill so here ia a freeby for you caldari pilots that are getting owned by the fail gallente who dumbly fit blasters to there incursus'
[Condor, Brawler]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Ballistic Control System II
1MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Extender II X5 Prototype Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Tactics is simple vs blaster (AB, scram, web) incursus. Scram them, web them and 'orbit' at 5kms. You are faster than them, your speed will put your orbit out to about 6kms giving you an extra 300m on your neut range etc. At 6km you do more damage than them and in about 40s they are capped out, can't shoot, can't rep and you melt them. If you want you can swap the BCU for a DCU if you feel the need for more tank rather than dps.
This ship can easily murder SAR incursus, dual rep incursus, blaster enyo, blaster harpy etc. L2Caldari! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1278
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:15:00 -
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Caldari ships are at a disadvantage? Whut?
Some of the best small scale pvp ships in the game are caldari.. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
546
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:52:00 -
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i do not mind if blaster boat camps at landing point, it is easy prey for caldari op ships. |
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