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Cage Man
247
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Posted - 2013.08.06 00:32:00 -
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If only you could minimize their damage.. like maybe a mod that affects tracking or optimal's.. or something to slow down their targeting speed so you can increase the range a little before you get tackled those, would be some pretty cool mods..
Also nothing wrong with a blaster merlin.. The thick plottens... |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
155
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:23:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Blasters/Autocannons are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that
In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.
90% of my loses have been because of blasters.
And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.
yeah well for years its been kite or go home . so everybody i know is happy with the changes making brawling the amarr favorite the way forward. deal with it |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
87
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:09:00 -
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I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
506
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:40:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases.
Even with a lot of practice, doing this is a big gamble. Depends on what side of the beacon and how close to the beacon they are on when you land. You really have to hope they don't have a sebo.
A few times they have grabbed me with scram and web but momentum just lets me drift out of it's range and allows me to get the MWD back on.
Takes a while to get the hang of it.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
87
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:59:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases. Even with a lot of practice, doing this is a big gamble. Depends on what side of the beacon and how close to the beacon they are on when you land. You really have to hope they don't have a sebo. A few times they have grabbed me with scram and web but momentum just lets me drift out of it's range and allows me to get the MWD back on. Takes a while to get the hang of it.
Yeah it's not 100 percent, but I think a competent kiter in something like a slicer or nano condor should be able to pull it off more often than not.
Might be different out in caldari/gallente space, but kiting is alive and well out in min/Amarr fw |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:38:00 -
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Why do u need to run missions if ur +«n fw? I mean common.. if ur smart u can make double the isk/h +«n fw then missioning .. its just a+ƒ simple a+ƒ that |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
362
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:27:00 -
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I serious dont see problem.
AC and Blaster pilots should complain about the nano missile boats sitting 20 of the entrance inside a plex just to kite incomming and blow them to pices with missiles....
Where are the different? Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
30
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:30:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Why do u need to run missions if ur +«n fw? I mean common.. if ur smart u can make double the isk/h +«n fw then missioning .. its just a+ƒ simple a+ƒ that
I'm not in FW, my corp isn't doing that yet. I'm just using FW space to get fights |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
140
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:37:00 -
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Hey look, it's this guy again. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
253
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:38:00 -
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The whole nature of FW complexes is that if you're warping in to take someone else on, he's got the tactical defender's advantage. Sometimes the winning move in a fight is to simply refuse to engage the defender on his chosen ground. That, or bring a friend - get the guy you're engaging to concentrate on you, to commit to the fight, while your friend comes up from behind and whomps the guy while he's focused on you.
Sometimes it just boils down to choosing which fights you're going to engage in. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
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Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
77
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Posted - 2013.08.06 12:18:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?
What about all the Condors, Hookbills, Kestrels, Hawks, ... Did you conveniently forget all of those for the purpose of your rant thread? Also, I've never had problems warping into a blaster fit and still pulling range. Learn how to play decently. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1510
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:01:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space Nothing can. Get over it, warp into my plex, and die with honour you big coward. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
306
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:28:00 -
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Rocket fitted brawlers can easily take on all blaster / AC brawlers, really. You are asking how? Here it goes, fit your mediums with:
1. Afterburner 2. Scram 3. Web 4. Tracking Disruptor with Range Disruption script (In case of Hookbill: 5. Shield Extender or another Web or Tracking Disruptor as you prefer)
Tactics: Warp in, get scram, web, td, slowboat to 7 km range. Blasters will not hit you at this range at all. AC will do very low damage if at all. Only critical phase is to get into this range. So if you are Hookbill you either go for shield buffer or you can also consider putting a plate into the low to have enough buffer.
In fact rocket hookbills are the best brawlers in game since with dual web they can always control range. |
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
40
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:14:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Rocket fitted brawlers can easily take on all blaster / AC brawlers, really. You are asking how? Here it goes, fit your mediums with:
1. Afterburner 2. Scram 3. Web 4. Tracking Disruptor with Range Disruption script (In case of Hookbill: 5. Shield Extender or another Web or Tracking Disruptor as you prefer)
Tactics: Warp in, get scram, web, td, slowboat to 7 km range. Blasters will not hit you at this range at all. AC will do very low damage if at all. Only critical phase is to get into this range. So if you are Hookbill you either go for shield buffer or you can also consider putting a plate into the low to have enough buffer.
In fact rocket hookbills are the best brawlers in game since with dual web they can always control range.
this is awesome advice +1
however i am afraid that it will be ignored because hookbill costs more than a condor.
edit: damn fingers getting ahead of brain. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
446
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:40:00 -
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So are you really a troll OP or do you just come running to the forums every time you try something and fail the first time. I'm starting to notice a pattern in your posts that goes something like this:
1) Have a single failure or two. 2) Blame Eve mechanics. 3) Post whine thread. 4) Have a success. 5) Post about success, letting everyone know you feel better now.
You've done that for rockets, Ravens, and now FW plexes.
Why don't you do everyone a favor and work on a problem for a week before coming to the forums to rant about how broken the game is. It's really getting old. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
446
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:43:00 -
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Tyrton wrote:Meditril wrote:Rocket fitted brawlers can easily take on all blaster / AC brawlers, really. You are asking how? Here it goes, fit your mediums with:
1. Afterburner 2. Scram 3. Web 4. Tracking Disruptor with Range Disruption script (In case of Hookbill: 5. Shield Extender or another Web or Tracking Disruptor as you prefer)
Tactics: Warp in, get scram, web, td, slowboat to 7 km range. Blasters will not hit you at this range at all. AC will do very low damage if at all. Only critical phase is to get into this range. So if you are Hookbill you either go for shield buffer or you can also consider putting a plate into the low to have enough buffer.
In fact rocket hookbills are the best brawlers in game since with dual web they can always control range. this is awesome advice +1 however i am afraid that it will be ignored because hookbill costs more than a condor. edit: damn fingers getting ahead of brain.
It will be ignored because OP has already discovered that rockets are literally the worst weapon system in the game, and he should know. How many worthless pages of forum posts from this guy do we need to wade through before people just start ignoring him? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
31
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:59:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:So are you really a troll OP or do you just come running to the forums every time you try something and fail the first time. I'm starting to notice a pattern in your posts that goes something like this: 1) Have a single failure or two. 2) Blame Eve mechanics. 3) Post whine thread. 4) Have a success. 5) Post about success, letting everyone know you feel better now. You've done that for rockets, Ravens, and now FW plexes. Why don't you do everyone a favor and work on a problem for a week before coming to the forums to rant about how broken the game is. It's really getting old.
what do you know Princess Bride (blatant alt charcter http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=732703)?
Have you ever tried for hours to get a kill but got nothing but death after death, watching your ISK drain away slowly as your blood pressure gets higher and higher. Because you just want to succeed once. Only ever winning against new players who are like you and having no hope against everyone else. And then when ever I say anything being slapped down with words like "welcome to eve" "train your skills and pick your fights".
And then coming onto the forums and getting a post from people like you. People who claim to have killed cruisers in a frigate (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19086017) people who just say joing RvB. People who tell me to improve my attitude. You don't make this game fun. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
446
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:05:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Princess Bride wrote:So are you really a troll OP or do you just come running to the forums every time you try something and fail the first time. I'm starting to notice a pattern in your posts that goes something like this: 1) Have a single failure or two. 2) Blame Eve mechanics. 3) Post whine thread. 4) Have a success. 5) Post about success, letting everyone know you feel better now. You've done that for rockets, Ravens, and now FW plexes. Why don't you do everyone a favor and work on a problem for a week before coming to the forums to rant about how broken the game is. It's really getting old. what do you know Princess Bride (blatant alt charcter http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=732703)? Have you ever tried for hours to get a kill but got nothing but death after death, watching your ISK drain away slowly as your blood pressure gets higher and higher. Because you just want to succeed once. Only ever winning against new players who are like you and having no hope against everyone else. And then when ever I say anything being slapped down with words like "welcome to eve" "train your skills and pick your fights". And then coming onto the forums and getting a post from people like you. People who claim to have killed cruisers in a frigate (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19086017) people who just say joing RvB. People who tell me to improve my attitude. You don't make this game fun. No I don't think so. Your probadly some null corp leader using this alt to post and leads so many battlefleets in a pirate battleship that you can't even remember the day that you solo pvp'd in a frigate. And all you can do is beat me down and call me a troll.
Welcome to eve.
Train your skills and pick your fights.
And stop whining like a little girl when you lose.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
31
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:15:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Princess Bride wrote:So are you really a troll OP or do you just come running to the forums every time you try something and fail the first time. I'm starting to notice a pattern in your posts that goes something like this: 1) Have a single failure or two. 2) Blame Eve mechanics. 3) Post whine thread. 4) Have a success. 5) Post about success, letting everyone know you feel better now. You've done that for rockets, Ravens, and now FW plexes. Why don't you do everyone a favor and work on a problem for a week before coming to the forums to rant about how broken the game is. It's really getting old. what do you know Princess Bride (blatant alt charcter http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=732703)? Have you ever tried for hours to get a kill but got nothing but death after death, watching your ISK drain away slowly as your blood pressure gets higher and higher. Because you just want to succeed once. Only ever winning against new players who are like you and having no hope against everyone else. And then when ever I say anything being slapped down with words like "welcome to eve" "train your skills and pick your fights". And then coming onto the forums and getting a post from people like you. People who claim to have killed cruisers in a frigate (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19086017) people who just say joing RvB. People who tell me to improve my attitude. You don't make this game fun. No I don't think so. Your probadly some null corp leader using this alt to post and leads so many battlefleets in a pirate battleship that you can't even remember the day that you solo pvp'd in a frigate. And all you can do is beat me down and call me a troll. Welcome to eve. Train your skills and pick your fights. And stop whining like a little girl when you lose.
Oh **** you, you *******!
this is what I'm talking about |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
309
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:17:00 -
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I'd play a sad little violin tune for you and all of your noobish losses but you'd only make another whinethread about how violins are broken and how you just can't compete without a T2 bow and waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
HTFU |
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Phaade
Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us
28
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:10:00 -
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Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases.
If it's another frigate this is not true. I do this on the regular, and 95% of the time you aren't getting out of scram / web range because of the sig bloom from your MWD. You will pull enough distance to be out of small blaster range for a few seconds, and that will save your nuts.
However cruiser up, you're good if you aren't blapped and they aren't sebo'd. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
10
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:31:00 -
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I can't wait for the Troll to listening to advice, setup a rocket boat and then find a rail incursus with T2 amo *rofl* Yes please, orbit at 7k. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
438
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:35:00 -
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I derped until i derped and then I kept derping because i was mad that i derped, derp?
http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com We are recruiting - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1823364&#post1823364 |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
333
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:44:00 -
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Overheat Microwarpdrive. Profit |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
446
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Posted - 2013.08.06 22:02:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I do this on the regular
Not trying to troll, but how many pages into your KB do I have to search for evidence to back this up? Because I'm on page 10 (dating back to mid-April) and I don't see any 1v1 frig kills. Lots of cruisers blapping frigs, but that would be possible in a Novice plex, so....
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Rabid Disconnection
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
7
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:08:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: And then coming onto the forums and getting a post from people like you. People who claim to have killed cruisers in a frigate (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19086017) people who just say joing RvB. People who tell me to improve my attitude. You don't make this game fun.
LOL I am fairly confident in my pvp abilities, but I still make mistakes all the time!! Though I will admit I know better to go up against a RML caracal in anything frigatey (a word?).
Cruisers https://zkillboard.com/detail/31969462/ https://zkillboard.com/detail/32434852/
I would make some comment about fixing your attitude, but that might make the game less fun for you. Personally though I think your attitude is what is making this game less fun.
Oh wait, aren't you a troll! |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
637
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Posted - 2013.08.07 03:07:00 -
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One word on frigate fighting;
lokiboostedsnakedquafedoverheatedartymaulus.
Very rarely will you have to worry about warping into people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nL48gIeKic |
Salan Steel
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
4
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Posted - 2013.08.07 04:03:00 -
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Even more rarely will you make Santo Trafficante very happy when you warp to a gate and see his smartbombing Panther decloak as you land. It will happen though, and you will lose a 3.2 billion ISK pod.
Crosi, please confirm. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.08.07 06:20:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Princess Bride wrote:So are you really a troll OP or do you just come running to the forums every time you try something and fail the first time. I'm starting to notice a pattern in your posts that goes something like this: 1) Have a single failure or two. 2) Blame Eve mechanics. 3) Post whine thread. 4) Have a success. 5) Post about success, letting everyone know you feel better now. You've done that for rockets, Ravens, and now FW plexes. Why don't you do everyone a favor and work on a problem for a week before coming to the forums to rant about how broken the game is. It's really getting old. what do you know Princess Bride (blatant alt charcter http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=732703)? Have you ever tried for hours to get a kill but got nothing but death after death, watching your ISK drain away slowly as your blood pressure gets higher and higher. Because you just want to succeed once. Only ever winning against new players who are like you and having no hope against everyone else. And then when ever I say anything being slapped down with words like "welcome to eve" "train your skills and pick your fights". And then coming onto the forums and getting a post from people like you. People who claim to have killed cruisers in a frigate (http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19086017) people who just say joing RvB. People who tell me to improve my attitude. You don't make this game fun. No I don't think so. Your probadly some null corp leader using this alt to post and leads so many battlefleets in a pirate battleship that you can't even remember the day that you solo pvp'd in a frigate. And all you can do is beat me down and call me a troll. Welcome to eve. Train your skills and pick your fights. And stop whining like a little girl when you lose. Oh **** you, you *******! this is what I'm talking about
After reading this I am convinced you are too young to play this game.
Why don't admit the real reason you are whine posting so much is that your mommy won't let you by any more plex.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
511
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Posted - 2013.08.07 06:44:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:
Have you ever tried for hours to get a kill but got nothing but death after death, watching your ISK drain away slowly ........
Yes - we all have.
Why are you not flying in a group? Find some people to fly with. Solo in an MMO is not a great idea at 1st.
Only other things I can recommend is: Train those skills, pick your fights and improve your attitude.
Have you thought of trying RvB? BTW - Welcome to eve.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
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