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Ace Stalker
Quovis Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:36:00 -
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Anharat wrote:>has nothing to do with the tournament >publishes the change right after the tournament seems legit
le 4 chan army !!! |
Radax Glenn
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
30
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:38:00 -
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Please leave the Dominix as is. The bonuses make up for the hull.
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Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
12
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:38:00 -
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Ace Stalker wrote:Anharat wrote:>has nothing to do with the tournament >publishes the change right after the tournament seems legit le 4 chan army !!!
But those are meme arrows. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
343
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:40:00 -
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Third bonus please, drone speed bonus. Preferably not just heavies. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
343
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:42:00 -
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chatgris wrote:It almost seems like the navy dominix should get the drone tracking+optimal bonus @ the old 10%, and the normal dominix gets the gun bonus like the vexor. Maybe remove a high on the navy domi and give it another mid/low to specialize into the drone role.
Then, the dominix is in line with the vexor, and the navy vexor leads to the navy domi (and the ishtar is a specialization kind of like a zealot to a navy issue omen).
Navy dominix is actually really awful in proper armour setups. I vote that it gets 7 guns and some sort of massive penalty that stops people shield tanking it. |
maCH'EttE
Mafia Redux Phobia.
64
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:45:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:
Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.
This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.
In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE. Dont you guys test this cr__ before putting it out and than having the smart idea that is OP and than changing it again. Its nice to see my montly money going to good work.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp Goonswarm Federation
990
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:47:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We are obviously aware of the conversation around drone assist and this change doesn't really aim to have a massive effect on sentry-doctrines as a whole. Drone assist is a much larger issue and we aren't looking to make any changes to it for 1.1. We would love to do work on drones overall, but for now I can't make any promises about when that will happen or how it will look. Could you add gun assist and missile assist in the meantime so other fleet comps can be equally free of individual effort in any way |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
633
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:49:00 -
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maCH'EttE wrote:CCP Rise wrote:We are going to put a small change in for 1.1:
Dominix's drone tracking and optimal range bonus lowered from 10% per level to 7.5% per level.
This brings the bonus in line with all other damage application bonuses we give, such as turret tracking bonuses or missile explosion velocity/radius bonuses. The Dominix hasn't been oppressively powerful but it is extremely strong and there is no need for the over-allocation with regards to this bonus.
In case some of you think this is a reaction to the way the Domi performed in the alliance tournament, I can tell you that we will never make balance decisions based on that environment. The tournament certainly highlighted the strengths of sentry drones and damps, which are both powerful on TQ as well, but it removed many of their drawbacks and so it is not an effective way to assess balance or power in normal EVE. Dont you guys test this cr__ before putting it out and than having the smart idea that is OP and than changing it again. Its nice to see my montly money going to good work.
You sure are mad because someone made something a little less OP. |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
23
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:06:00 -
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as the whole plural chat is still going on i feel the urge to butt in as i'm terrible with the english language.
the oed says it's bonuses not boni. You can argue however much you like and say what you like about how it's done in latin but lets face it english is not latin.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/plurals-of-nouns <-- the proof
"If the noun ends with -ch, -s, -sh, -x, or -z, add -es to form the plural" <-- the qoute "ThereGÇÖs one exception to this rule. If the -ch ending is pronounced with a GÇÿkGÇÖ sound, you add -s rather than -es" <-- the exception to the rule |
Willy Eckerslike
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front
6
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:07:00 -
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+1 for the nerf. I appreciate that the AT did not wholly influence the decision to reduce the bonus, but I do feel that the overuse of domi tinker setups rather spoiled the AT. The drone assist mechanics does really need looking at, and there are a number of good ideas in the thread above.
And bonuses is the correct plural form. For those that preach the latin derivation meaning that Boni is correct because some jumped up grammar police told them so are even more wrong than they realise. Since the correct noun form in Latin is "bonum", the plural in Latin would be "bona" and not "boni".
I am not in any way affiliated with the grammar police; I just like to do my own research when I am not sure. |
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Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
75
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:12:00 -
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I don't think this is a needed change. It's not soul crushing, and I'm not going to rage about it, but clearly you are targeting how powerful sentry drones are with their massive tracking and range.
Thing is, I strongly believe this massive power is well-balanced by the fact that sentry drones are stationary.
If you need to move about the battlefield to tackle things, mitigate damage, provide RR, leave grid and return, etc, you are making the decision to leave the vast majority of your DPS behind if the battle suddenly moves to another grid, or forcing yourself/your fleet to have to slowboat to your sentries and pick them up before you can participate at the battle's new location.
Considering this weakness of a Dominix-based fleet comp, it's okay that their damage projection and tracking are a little OP.
I would understand reducing the range and tracking if there are plans to make sentry drones move at even half the speed of heavies, but assuming they will remain stationary, at least in regards to their use on battleships (carriers are a different story entirely) I think it's perfectly okay for them to be extremely powerful on a single battleship platform.
And in regards to the AT... the very fact that the entire engagement is forced to take place on a single grid is why the Dominix was a bit overpowered. This isn't how fights on TQ work, so I disagree with the nerf. Just make it more expensive on points for future tournaments, nbd. |
Anharat
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
14
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:17:00 -
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Gawain Edmond wrote:as the whole plural chat is still going on i feel the urge to butt in as i'm terrible with the english language. the oed says it's bonuses not boni. You can argue however much you like and say what you like about how it's done in latin but lets face it english is not latin. http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/plurals-of-nouns <-- the proof "If the noun ends with -ch, -s, -sh, -x, or -z, add -es to form the plural" <-- the qoute "ThereGÇÖs one exception to this rule. If the -ch ending is pronounced with a GÇÿkGÇÖ sound, you add -s rather than -es" <-- the exception to the rule
Just because you adopt a word into your language and you use your grammatical rules for endings on it doesn't change the fact that the word didn't originate in your language and you will not be able to change it's "correct" form, but merely introduce "accepted" forms that your community uses.
Willy Eckerslike wrote: Since the correct noun form in Latin is "bonum", the plural in Latin would be "bona" and not "boni".
We refer to the noun bonus and not the adjective. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
231
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:19:00 -
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Really CCP ? again ?
you mess with drones and now with dominix
Why don't you just remove Gallente ships from the game? RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
3911
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Malcanis wrote:Kyt Thrace wrote:Darn, just when I finished training for Domi's, wham I get hit with the nerf bat.
They're still pretty fugly. Corrected for you, Malcanis. I kind a sorta quite like the aesthetic of the Domi
Malcanis likes poo! |
Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
23
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:21:00 -
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of cause it does that's like saying the welsh spelling of ambulance is wrong because they adopted the word into their language and changed the spelling to fit their phonetics |
jimmy alt
Creative Export
3
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:37:00 -
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Waiting for Heavy Assault Ships round 3... they are not done yet !!!!!! |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
465
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:38:00 -
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nice
now can we balance the other unbalanced t1 bs the scorpion?
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Thaman Arnuad
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
3
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:39:00 -
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Rise
Have you looked at making the drone bonus split? I am thinking 10% to range and 5% to tracking.
Edit: derp wrong dev |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1139
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:42:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Anharat wrote:>has nothing to do with the tournament >publishes the change right after the tournament seems legit If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.
What's stopping you? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1428
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:49:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Anharat wrote:>has nothing to do with the tournament >publishes the change right after the tournament seems legit If I could place a bounty on you for this awful post, I would.
Question
How is it 2013 and the eve forums still do not have a "place bounty" button on the eve forums? http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
2322
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:59:00 -
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I, for one, think it is funny that this change comes after the tournament. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Andy Landen
Battlestars Ex Cinere Scriptor
128
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:03:00 -
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Dominix is in a good place for pve. Other drone ships like the Ishtar deserve similar bonuses.
Alliance tournaments are so contrived with the rules and bans as to render them an entirely different game than Eve Online.
10% bonus needs to remain. There is no reason why this bonus should change, except that you saw issues in the alliance tournaments. People will simply fly fewer dominix in pve with the 7.5% change.
Like your 4% resist nerf. Now fewer people fly the resist bonused ships in fleets. Not sure what good that did. Made logistics less relevant for those ships. Down with strategic ops, up with guerrilla warfare. I disagree, but whatever.
Just stop pretending that this isn't about your contrived alliance tournaments with all those stupid rules about less than 2 of one ship except when flagship or when flown upside down and sideways, etc.. If you are going to nerf stuff randomly, at least be honest with us about your reasons; this is about AT. Or if you prefer to attempt to fool us, at least wait a few months after AT has finished. "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein-á |
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
148
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:11:00 -
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If this has to do with nullsec blobs, why not just remove drone assist instead? I don't really see the point of having it besides insta-locking gatecamps and AFK nullsec blobs. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
395
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:16:00 -
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Still horrible but better. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Oddsodz
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:22:00 -
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I Don't like this at nerf at all.
Sentry drones are
1 - Stationary and can not move.
2 - Can be destroyed. Making the ship defenceless.
That is the balance of a Dommi, It's immobility and the fact that it can lose it Damage. No other ship has that issue. Try and stop a Maelstrom from shooting you by destroying its guns before the ship and see how that goes. |
Luscius Uta
Unleashed' Fury Forsaken Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:25:00 -
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Sounds like a fair change. But, why there's still a tracking bonus on Stabber Fleet Issue not in line with other ships? |
Sigras
Conglomo
495
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:59:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Dominix is in a good place for pve. Other drone ships like the Ishtar deserve similar bonuses.
Alliance tournaments are so contrived with the rules and bans as to render them an entirely different game than Eve Online.
10% bonus needs to remain. There is no reason why this bonus should change, except that you saw issues in the alliance tournaments. People will simply fly fewer dominix in pve with the 7.5% change.
Like your 4% resist nerf. Now fewer people fly the resist bonused ships in fleets. Not sure what good that did. Made logistics less relevant for those ships. Down with strategic ops, up with guerrilla warfare. I disagree, but whatever.
Just stop pretending that this isn't about your contrived alliance tournaments with all those stupid rules about less than 2 of one ship except when flagship or when flown upside down and sideways, etc.. If you are going to nerf stuff randomly, at least be honest with us about your reasons; this is about AT. Or if you prefer to attempt to fool us, at least wait a few months after AT has finished. did you ever stop to consider that the goal of this nerf (or any nerf for that matter) is to get less people to fly the ship? did you ever consider that a ton of people fly that ship because it is too effective compared with the alternatives? or did you just ragepost because you want to fly a super effective ship?
TL;DR ever hear of something called balance? |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
170
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:06:00 -
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I don't know whether to be happy that you are responding to a perceived imbalance with a quick but small change (i.e. no longer letting a problem fester for years and then out comes a sledgehammer)
Or, whether to be upset that you are caving to nerf whining from people jumping up and down from a perceived imbalance in one pidly alliance tournament.
You see, it took you years of drake after drake after tengu after tengu after ecm boat contingent after ecm boat contingent to address any of those problems. Yet it seems one alliance tournament with heavy damp use, bam scripted damps. One alliance tournament with heavy Domi sentry use and bam Domi nerf.
CCP Y U no like the Gallente, but kept giving the Caldari pass after pass? (/:Damar Gallentius:) |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
3249
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:12:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:Really CCP ? again ?
you mess with drones and now with dominix
Why don't you just remove Gallente ships from the game?
The tracking bonus was too much, 7.5% is still fantastic.
Drones have only been buffed, just like the whole race. Idg what you're whining.
Ten Thousand Years is recruiting pioneer spirits to Solitude. |
Psycros
Dynamic Industries Dynamic Industries Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:17:00 -
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The fix to 90% of drone issues is simple, obvious and probably pure demonic heresy to some: allow drones to slowly repair their armor while in the bay. You can still lose them if you're not playing with both halves of your brain but this would allow for a lot of flexibility in balancing them. I wouldn't even be opposed to requiring a drone repair module to enable this ability, although if I'm losing a slot I'd want fairly decent repair speed, and I'd hope it would rep their hull as well. |
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