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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:35:00 -
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New Ice Interdiction
just a heads up all. for those running caldari towers, fuel is going to get stupid expensive. (and its already started in case you haven't looked lately.) |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
537
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:37:00 -
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*tosses another batch of Caldari fuel in to cook* |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
31977
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:44:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:*tosses another batch of Caldari fuel in to cook*
Me too.
Although some have jumped the gun, the real deal does not actually start officially until August 18. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
539
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:46:00 -
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I'm quite happy to profit from the jumping of the gun, though I don't have all that large a pile of nitrogen isotopes unfortunately. Was planning to buy more tomorrow, but guess not. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
31977
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:47:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:I'm quite happy to profit from the jumping of the gun, though I don't have all that large a pile of nitrogen isotopes unfortunately. Was planning to buy more tomorrow, but guess not.
I'm just happy Helium Iso jumped 200 per unit in Ammatar |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
539
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:54:00 -
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Oxygen Isotopes are spiking as well. Should be a fun few weeks. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2043
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Posted - 2013.08.08 17:21:00 -
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I still have 6 months of fuel on-hand. I normally keep 6 to 12 months.
It is always good to have extra for times like these. |
Zero Sum Gain
The Defiant Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:05:00 -
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So good times for the savvy ice stockpiler |
Dave Stark
3291
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:12:00 -
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Zero Sum Gain wrote:So good times for the savvy ice stockpiler
so you mean every miner who realised the caldari ice interdiction was a given and was just a matter of time? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
32021
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:21:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Zero Sum Gain wrote:So good times for the savvy ice stockpiler so you mean every miner who realised the caldari ice interdiction was a given and was just a matter of time?
It was hinted at a few months ago (maybe even 6 months ago) but a little kerfluffle in Fountain got in the way I guess. |
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Dave Stark
3291
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:41:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Zero Sum Gain wrote:So good times for the savvy ice stockpiler so you mean every miner who realised the caldari ice interdiction was a given and was just a matter of time? It was hinted at a few months ago (maybe even 6 months ago) but a little kerfluffle in Fountain got in the way I guess.
i think the give away was that there have been interdictions before, and goons sit on masses of caldari ice. it wasn't a huge leap of faith to assume there would be a caldari ice interdiction at some point. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
32050
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:49:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
i think the give away was that there have been interdictions before, and goons sit on masses of caldari ice. it wasn't a huge leap of faith to assume there would be a caldari ice interdiction at some point.
But considering their greater success was for the initial Gallente Ice Interdiction, it could have swung either way tbh. |
Dave Stark
3292
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i think the give away was that there have been interdictions before, and goons sit on masses of caldari ice. it wasn't a huge leap of faith to assume there would be a caldari ice interdiction at some point.
But considering their greater success was for the initial Gallente Ice Interdiction, it could have swung either way tbh.
if you empty the market of isotopes, i guarantee there will be more caldari isotopes than any other in jita. it makes sense to interdict caldari even before we consider what kind of space goons inhabit. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
32055
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:58:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i think the give away was that there have been interdictions before, and goons sit on masses of caldari ice. it wasn't a huge leap of faith to assume there would be a caldari ice interdiction at some point.
But considering their greater success was for the initial Gallente Ice Interdiction, it could have swung either way tbh. if you empty the market of isotopes, i guarantee there will be more caldari isotopes than any other in jita. it makes sense to interdict caldari even before we consider what kind of space goons inhabit.
Good point there. Plus, Caldari Space is so 'tiny'. Amarr is lot more spread out and therefore difficult to strategically manage an operation across its breadth. |
Dave Stark
3293
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
i think the give away was that there have been interdictions before, and goons sit on masses of caldari ice. it wasn't a huge leap of faith to assume there would be a caldari ice interdiction at some point.
But considering their greater success was for the initial Gallente Ice Interdiction, it could have swung either way tbh. if you empty the market of isotopes, i guarantee there will be more caldari isotopes than any other in jita. it makes sense to interdict caldari even before we consider what kind of space goons inhabit. Good point there. Plus, Caldari Space is so 'tiny'. Amarr is lot more spread out and therefore difficult to strategically manage an operation across its breadth.
indeed, i know for a fact within 2 jumps i can access 5 caldari ice belts. i think those systems will be particularly busy. |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
228
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:49:00 -
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should have seen this coming last week. was going to stock up on nitrogen, but saw they were trading at around 750 isk p/u and couldn't figure out why it was higher than all the others. guess the writing was on the wall. |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
282
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Posted - 2013.08.08 21:08:00 -
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It will be interesting to see what kind of ships get used for the interdiction. The obvious choice is the catalyst, but some people may use coercers instead to punish the people who stack therm/kin resists |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.08.08 21:14:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:It will be interesting to see what kind of ships get used for the interdiction. The obvious choice is the catalyst, but some people may use coercers instead to punish the people who stack therm/kin resists
surely a better choice would be a thrasher with emp ammo?
i ask that because i'm too lazy to eft any fits. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
108
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Posted - 2013.08.08 21:41:00 -
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Good thing I have stockpiled enough nitrogen isotopes to last my POS 4 years, and I was only a casual miner that started saving up when the ice belt change was first announced.
I suspect that most real miners have enough Caldari ice materials hoarded to meet everybody's needs for a long, long time. It's not like there was any kind of a limit on how much could be mined or stored in station before now. |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
282
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:18:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Ersahi Kir wrote:It will be interesting to see what kind of ships get used for the interdiction. The obvious choice is the catalyst, but some people may use coercers instead to punish the people who stack therm/kin resists surely a better choice would be a thrasher with emp ammo? i ask that because i'm too lazy to eft any fits.
I'll have to check it when I get home. I do remember that EMP ammo has a lot of kinetic damage mixed into it, which is a downer. I also know that the high damage lazer crystals have a lot of heat damage mixed in, so that is a downer too. Either way, neither is a problem that isn't solved by throwing more bodies at the problem. |
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
78
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:21:00 -
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In real life markets, you buy when there is blood in the streets. In EVE that is the best time to sell. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
75
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Posted - 2013.08.09 03:50:00 -
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Gianath wrote:Good thing I have stockpiled enough nitrogen isotopes to last my POS 4 years, and I was only a casual miner that started saving up when the ice belt change was first announced.
I suspect that most real miners have enough Caldari ice materials hoarded to meet everybody's needs for a long, long time. It's not like there was any kind of a limit on how much could be mined or stored in station before now.
Its not so much with the current stockpiles you haev now. Its preventing any more from reaching the market.
Considering the cfc controls something insane like 70% of the caldari ice in low and null sec yes you should have seen this coming.
Some people have been stocking up since before the ice belt nerf with nitro topse were 350isk/unit.
Right now before the shooting has truly started we are up to 1k isk/unit.
Go ahead and liquidate your stock piles. I am sure we will put them to good use. |
Dave Stark
3298
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Posted - 2013.08.09 05:21:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ersahi Kir wrote:It will be interesting to see what kind of ships get used for the interdiction. The obvious choice is the catalyst, but some people may use coercers instead to punish the people who stack therm/kin resists surely a better choice would be a thrasher with emp ammo? i ask that because i'm too lazy to eft any fits. I'll have to check it when I get home. I do remember that EMP ammo has a lot of kinetic damage mixed into it, which is a downer. I also know that the high damage lazer crystals have a lot of heat damage mixed in, so that is a downer too. Either way, neither is a problem that isn't solved by throwing more bodies at the problem.
not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :) |
Sabriz Adoudel
The Scope
626
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :)
If your alliance owns NINE Mackinaw BPOs, however, non-violent interdiction is much less profitable than other methods.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Dave Stark
3298
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:06:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :)
If your alliance owns NINE Mackinaw BPOs, however, non-violent interdiction is much less profitable than other methods.
people mine in things other than retrievers? |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
285
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:14:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
not to mention, it's an interdiction not a hulkageddon. ganking isn't the only way to stop a miner mining :)
If your alliance owns NINE Mackinaw BPOs, however, non-violent interdiction is much less profitable than other methods.
There is definitely profit to be had, and I think violent interdiction is much more fun. |
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
68
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:42:00 -
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That would explain the extreme increase in price that hapenned a few days ago. Made a lot of money that day
Guess i'm gonna sit on a little fortune for a little while. I sell drones and drones accessories. |
The PiMan Eatme
Public Haulage And Trade
13
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:25:00 -
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The announcement only mentions Caldari, but apparently we'll see Gallente ice targeted too. |
Drax Concrilla
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:22:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ersahi Kir wrote:It will be interesting to see what kind of ships get used for the interdiction. The obvious choice is the catalyst, but some people may use coercers instead to punish the people who stack therm/kin resists surely a better choice would be a thrasher with emp ammo? i ask that because i'm too lazy to eft any fits. I'll have to check it when I get home. I do remember that EMP ammo has a lot of kinetic damage mixed into it, which is a downer. I also know that the high damage lazer crystals have a lot of heat damage mixed in, so that is a downer too. Either way, neither is a problem that isn't solved by throwing more bodies at the problem.
No, EMP only has 1 point of kinetic. The breakdown is:
9 EMP damage 2 Explosive damage 1 Kinetic damage
So yes, it should do more damage than lasers because the thermal resist would be stacked against Catties.
Multifrequency is 7 EM 5 Thermal
...for comparison, so you get higher paper DPS with the Coercer but if (that's a big if) the miners properly stack their defenses to counter a Catalyst gank then the EMP S Thrasher will do more actual DPS.
Disclaimer: I did not run the resist scenarios through EFT against various damage profiles, rather I used the simple logic that 11 untanked damage + 1 heavily tanked damage > 7 untanked damage + 5 heavily tanked damage. This is not meant to be an absolute, rather an estimate. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
35
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:09:00 -
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High sec ganking has been extensively mathed. Especially in regard to miner ganking. Catalysts are used for a reason. Overheated catalyst guns do more damage before concord arrive than the other destroyers. It isn't just about raw dps or about raw resists but also about how many gun cycles will go off before concord arrives in various levels of security and also whether concord was prepulled elsewhere in the system. Variation from catalyst will occur for the following reasons. scout ship scan reveals resist stacking. Not enough people to carry out the gank thus using cruisers or tornados instead. Ignorance of the extensive theory and in game testing that shows catalyst to be the best tool for the job. |
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