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Azurae
South West Trading
98
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:06:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Now. over the course of three months. I deposited over 90 billion ISK and i won 27 billion ISK in lotteries. Which, as part of my research, i put back into BLINK. I subsequently lost 25.4 billion ISK. Which was just shy of what i had made in profit.
I'm fascinated that noone even talked about his math skills yet.
Just a hint if you put in 90 billion isk, won 27 billion isk you already lost 63 billion isk. and there was no profit at all. if you lost more of those 27 billion you lost even more money.
if you mean you put in 90 billion isk and you won 117 billion, which resulted in a profit of 27 billion, of which 1.6 billion remained after you gambled with those 27 billion again, then why did you even create this thread? because that would mean you made a profit which there shouldn't be. (tbh i doubt this is what you ment so lets just stick to you being bad at math)
And yeah buying plex worth about 3k dollars to waste it on a lottery where everyone knows that when you play a lot you can statistically only lose? you really aren't the brightest, are you? |
Azurae
South West Trading
98
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:10:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote:lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing. Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money. If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected. i doubt they would be easily detected because it would be easy to disguise, make them win on high value blinks and make them lose on low value blinks. noone could be sure that the blinks were rigged.
anyway i don't know if its rigged or not and tbh i don't care because as with any gambling in the end the gamblers lose and the house wins. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
29
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:18:00 -
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Fal Dara wrote:It wouldnt even HAVE to be a scam to make obscene isk.
every blink is profit. It need not even go beyond that, for them to pocket billions a day.
You present little to no actual evidence to back up your idea that this is a scam.
So some one deposits 10b. So what? Maybe it's some guy in southern itally that makes millions a year--and he dropped 300$ on plex that day--which was significantly less than he just spent on the bottle of wine he drank while playing the game.
you might say some one wins 90% of the blinks they play--you didnt say that they also didnt play 90% of the tickets in a blink. Many do, on cap ships (just shy of the ship cost itself).
What if gambling on websites for rl cash is illegal in their country/state, and this is their only outlet? Sure, winning may not get them RL fame and fortune, but EVE fortunes can feel quite important nonetheless.
It doesnt have to be a scam at all, to make more isk than most alliances make alltogether.
if it was a scam on TOP of that--well, some one would come up with some hard evidence.
All real life betting & gamblings things are scams too , and yet still ppl believe tey are not , that makes me laugh always |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
1312
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:32:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:This SOMER Blink fascinated me, why would players, put so much time into a lottery system, on a MMO, to "help the player base" - I'm sorry, but that does not swing any which way. They do it, because, they can pocket MASSIVE amounts of ISK from players, whilst still, shall we say, working within the law of EvE.
No **** sherlock ....
i came to the conclusions you made the day it was launched without doing a 3 month survey and putting RL cash on the line for it.
You can't have been that naive as to think otherwise it is a GAMBLING site.Do you think the vegas casino's are not in it for the cash?Do you think it's being played 'fair' in those casino's ?
Come on , seriously ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:36:00 -
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat ==== lol what? How would shill bidders ruin a good thing, it's worked thus far, it is the good thing.
Some Space Guy === Shill bidders put the casino in the position of gambling with their profits. Each play a shill makes is revenue the casino is no longer going to receive, and if someone else wins, that's the casino losing money.
If the casino rigs the games to favor the shill enough to make up for that lost revenue, they'll easily be detected.[/quote] /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I'm still joking. Cont.
That line of code that say's we're legit, well that line is a little different than the second line of code that say's "lol we're not legit" nobody posts the second one. For instance in a given percentage of games, the house will win with a shill. Not all games, but enough to increase that profit margin.
Seeing as you don't illegally datamine cogdev.net to see whats running on the server, , , ,you only really know what you're told, and know a legitimate line of code does exist.
Of course we also need shill loses, not just on small things but on big things, a fine percent - someone has to win occasionally.
We pick the right percentages to increase profits and we have ourselves a well greased printing machine.
And heck sometimes, we don't rely heavilly on shills as we're far enough in the green to cancle the automated accounts when the heat is on or when topics fire up if deemed a reasonable idea. - during which periods we only make a bit of profit.
phoenix ticket 166m - phoenix buyout 2.4mil
Actual cost of phoenix in jita 2B .
166m x 16 = 2.65 Billion
650 million profit per legit phoenix.
We use 10 Shill tickets on the next 16 ticket phoenix, and this time we'll we pick ourselves to win. ( 3 shills total, 10 between)
Real players buy the other 6 tickets.
166m x 6 = 996m or about 1 billion profit guaranteed as we've used code 2, the one that's also written but not published
Why go for the extra money? Well when your operation is so legit looking to start with, you can do this. In fact you can do this an incredible amount of times. Extremely illegitimate whilst maintaining a legitimate looking front.
But people would know!? - I think that's what this thread is about. I don't think so - Than why are players who automate hunted, whilst Shill accounts remain unbanned?
Do you know that if you play off the Blink server, your latency would be less than 10ms and litterally non-existant ->>> Do you know that if you did, you still wouldn't be able to buy 10 tickets in a second because its beyond human capabilities to react within than time frame? Literally, beyond the capabilities of humans. Do you know that if you own blink you don't have to ban the processes you yourself automate?
But it's fake space money, andrev, somer's significant other suggested so. - That's a good front but there is a multi-billion dollar rmt market for video game currencies that suggests you can buy a car, house, and make a living if you bend some space rules some game developer would like you to follow although again, is not actually illegal. Why? To drive the benz at the end of the year instead of the f-150.
That's not ethical! , again not illegal, you have some weird ethics based around space ship imaginary world.
Eve has ethics?
You'd have to be pretty crazy not to accept money for providing people with a service, such as giving them invisible space dollars. Especially if you're good at it and can turn quite a few space dollars out. 1B sells for more than enough on the black market to make each miniature transaction worth it, and that's hard to separate from people who make several larger transactions for legitimate purposes. In fact at a given point you don't really need to launder or cycle the space dollars all that much so long as you keep within margins and under the radar.
Blink does not launder money or cheat often, there is no incentive to either and neither is even possible for 2 reasons.
1. the ticket cost - they already make a profit - why ruin a good thing 2. The line of code - We've all seen it, it's legit - why write an alternate protocol
and I think it's rather funny anyone tries to accuse link of cheating, when its the only legitimate business eve's ever seen.
The facts show they don't cheat. Well unless they like money for nothing - but that validates space code.
But really, somer blink is legitimate and I despise this mockery to try and expose those of pure heart, like that guy somer, and that other guy andrev who are lifemates.
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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
196
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:43:00 -
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Somer Blink is as much a scam as any lottery or casino/gambling house.
You're playing against the odds - 7:1 odds at the least unfavorable. This means the probability to win a certain blink can be easily calculated, in turn allowing you to see your average returns from playing it over and over again. Surprise, it's less than what you put in. How much less, well, that's what the OP calculated in his empirical study.
@flakeys: You have no idea how science works, do you? |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
1312
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:45:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote: Never send ISK to anyone, us included, in eve unless you trust them. Not even a little. Not even just to try it out. Not even once.
Come on we all like to take a gamble at times and BLINK is not the only gamble we get to take in eve .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:57:00 -
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The biggest running joke is to compare blink with an actual casino
Because it takes the public view off of the idea that blink not only has margins to make profit, but actively shill's and cheats to create additional revenue.
You see because normal casinos make profit,
Blink makes a profit, ergo blink is like a normal casino
EXCEPT::::!!!!!! Normal casinos are regulated and things turn bad fast when they spin the numbers a little more in their favor WHERE AS - There is no legal recourse when blink jumps for that additional profit - because law governing the sale of intangible space goodies that don't have a physical form is not yet fully developed.
Blink is not like a casino, because many casino's fail because the margin for profit, although in their favor is up to chance, statistically the casino should make out - sometimes it doesn't for varying reasons.
Blink, unlike a legal casino, will not fail because on top of the returns they normally get, which are guaranteed due to ticket prices versus jita sale values - which are guaranteed each successful blink - and not up to chance --- Blink also shaves a bit more for the real world value of these space bucks, where jim the lawyer and joey with moms credit card want eve space bucks, but can get more space bucks for their dollar on the black market with a bit of risk.
Why take more? Because it's real life currency. Because when you know how the market operates and where to find a customer base, isk is real money. and the more isk, the more real money.
Edit: forgot to mention i was still joking. This is a joke and not real nor is any of this even possible nor would any of this ever be possible or exist. Although it totally exists and is the case. Jokingly, because it doesn't. Even though this is what somer does and why he spent months putting blink together. joking again, even though its not illegal to run an operation that way, its fantasy and doesn't exist. Except it does exist and it can't be stopped, because when you know how to spoof information and move things around, you have power. |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
1313
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:18:00 -
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Might want to take a decaf next time mate ...
just saying
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
745
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:32:00 -
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If have read all the somerblink fraud evidence threads, and i have found a pattern.
The person starting the thread has, prior to starting the thread, lost enough isk to be considered a ****** be the general eve population.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:46:00 -
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Fal Dara wrote:It wouldnt even HAVE to be a scam to make obscene isk.
every blink is profit. It need not even go beyond that, for them to pocket billions a day.
You present little to no actual evidence to back up your idea that this is a scam.
So some one deposits 10b. So what? Maybe it's some guy in southern itally that makes millions a year--and he dropped 300$ on plex that day--which was significantly less than he just spent on the bottle of wine he drank while playing the game.
you might say some one wins 90% of the blinks they play--you didnt say that they also didnt play 90% of the tickets in a blink. Many do, on cap ships (just shy of the ship cost itself).
What if gambling on websites for rl cash is illegal in their country/state, and this is their only outlet? Sure, winning may not get them RL fame and fortune, but EVE fortunes can feel quite important nonetheless.
It doesnt have to be a scam at all, to make more isk than most alliances make alltogether.
if it was a scam on TOP of that--well, some one would come up with some hard evidence.
Wait for his 30 page report before you say he has no evidence....
Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
522
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:04:00 -
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I thought everyone knew SOMER was a scam? No denying that you can get lucky and beat the house though! Also, i look forward to reading this 30 page report!
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Whats next? Proving that Erotica1 is a scam too?
Someone already did that. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Sarah McKnobbo
Omamori Himari Pandora Hearts
9
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:22:00 -
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Delete as appropriate:
10/10 for the replies you managed to get
OR
0/10 for 'stating the bleeding obvious'
Lotto site makes money? Who knew |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
1316
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:44:00 -
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Sirinda wrote: @flakeys: You have no idea how science works, do you?
I do , every week i hear on the radio how some team studied X or Y and think to myself : ' That's **** anyone who uses logic can think off , another pile of cash thrown away instead of using it for reall research' .
So much stuff out there that actually NEEDS to be researched and here we are , spotting mondane stuff people do on a daily base wich only ends to a logic conclusion and doesn't help at all on the bigger scale.The worst part is it even makes the news headlines ...
Humanity a waste wasting away right?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Cipio Alduin
Keep Calm And Log Off
13
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:19:00 -
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Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature |
Hoo Yodaad
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:30:00 -
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You know Hal Lindley over there? Work with him at all? |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels R O G U E
1316
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:35:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature
Your the guy who made that thread about the corp that was 7 days old and had a wardec right?
You asked that one to be locked and i assume because you did not like the responses there.
Look , eve forums are a reflection of the game.As such most -like me - behave in a 'direct' way .We say what's on our mind , a lot of times without thinking it through i admit that , and we don't put it in a nice bouquet but in a blender when we throw it out here.
You shared something from your work wich you felt was something nice as a contribution , i get that and indeed it ain't no fun if people don't appreciate that effort.However it does not mean that since you put work into it , wich you got paid for btw as you said, that we should agree on it.
In short the responses you got might come over harsh or let's just say eve-ish but if you would translate those words in a nice fluffy way it would just mean that a lot of people simply are saying that your work was allready done before you started.
You should not take it personal it is just how the general behaviour is on this forum.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
429
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:37:00 -
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Of course it's a fix. The house is also betting (via alts), so the house wins a good number of its own blinks. That doesn't mean you don't also have a chance of winning as the odds are still 1/8 for the small stuff and 1/16 for the big stuff (sometimes other odds) but over the course of time the house will always win and your account will regress to the mean, which is lower than break-even (I don't know what it actually is).
Listen people, don't gamble your hard earned isk on Sommerblink. It's addictive and eventually it's going to clean you out. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2573
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:39:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Scam? Only if you've never, ever considered how a lottery or gambling house works. You shouldn't need months of research and billions of isk to realize that the vast majority of players lose all the money they deposit. This is how SOMER makes money.
Well said. Who in there right mind thinks "gambling" is supposed to be fair or a good way to make money?
Somer blink is pretty damn cool though, I sometimes play at work during my lunch break. Just like in real life when I go to a casino (I usually go to Shreveport, Louisiana, to gamble, Texas doesn't have casinos like that), I deposit at blink what I plan to play with, if I win I segregate the winnings from the "playing money" and when that money is gone, I'm done. The winnings go into my pocket, if there are any.
The people who get so insanely butt hurt at Blink and at real life Casinos are people with no self control, no plan, and a false idea that life is fair and gambling can make anyone other than the house rich. They act like the establishment FORCES them to keep gambling, when in fact it is they who make the choice to continue past a point of common sense.
Unless the casino or blink is pointing a gun at your head, you can always just leave or log out. The gambling addicts and fools should stop blaming others for their poor choices.
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Prince Kobol
861
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:41:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature
Maybe if you had posted something which was interesting and more importantly, factually correct, then you wouldn't of gotten trolled, however what you posted was utter drivel of the highest order, I mean seriously I have seen better posts on K.Com and that is saying something. |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2573
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:49:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature
Apt yes, but not immature. If you can't take criticism of your criticisms, THAT shows immaturity. Yet grown folks do it all day everyday. They say something stupid, people say "hey dude, that's stupid" and the original speaker gets all mad and insulted, when the most obvious course of action was to not saying something stupid to begin with.
We are (mostly) not children. We know what Blink is. You aren't some messiah of truth against the evil scam known as blink.
Also, anyone else think of the Streisand effect when you read stuff like this. Calling attention to something you think is bad is a good way to make sure that MORE people go and do the thing you think is bad. Cipio Alduin has succeeded in nothing but making Somer RICHER than they otherwise would have been. |
Spergie Scrublord
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:54:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature
You are correct. You were abused simply for doing the Lord's work; how awful it is that you have been made into such a victim.
You might as well leave the forums now. bye -bye.
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Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
311
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:11:00 -
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I cannot +1 Andrev Nox' posts as much as I want to!
Andrev Nox wrote: PS - Always Blink on #4. We rigged #4 to always win.
Thanks for the tip. I'll keep this secret for myself!
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3533
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:34:00 -
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I wished i would win billions every day. You wished that will never happen. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2546
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:35:00 -
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ITT: OP discovers the meaning of gambling despite shaky claims of evidence and poor math skills.
What's next, an expose on insurance companies and how they make profits?
Ground breaking work into the field of banking and research into these interest rate thingies?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
23
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. *slow clap* Well hey, it's more than most casino customers do, so there's thatGǪ
but I do have a system! |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:40:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature I appreciate the work and the effort, BUT did you really expect any other response? |
khazid
Hax. Game Over.
4
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:48:00 -
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An aussie guy that used to be in the same corp as me some time ago 'worked' for Somer Blink. He was a real douche but could pretty much guarantee the winning numbers based on some trend.
It's not a problem because the people that play it would still play it even if they knew the odds were more against them they should be. It doesn't take much effort to relieve ISK from idiots. The ONLY issue I've found with it is CCP's advertising of it. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
311
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:53:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Cipio Alduin wrote:Well it's nice to know that when i choose to share some work with the eve community
I simply get trolled and abused
How apt and immature I appreciate the work and the effort, BUT did you really expect any other response? Sadly he did ... unless it was a successful troll. |
Sahriah BloodStone
Takmahl Dynamics
14
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:18:00 -
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When i first started trying blink i did some research to!!
I took the number of slots you can bet on and times it by the amount it cost per blink. and then i checked the market price on the item. Lo and behold blink makes like a 10% profit on every single one!!!1!
That took me about 5min. And i pretty much summed up your entire post.
Blink makes extra money..when a crapton of people play they make a LOT of extra money.
Could you let us know where this website is? Id love to get paid for doing 'research' to.
Whats funny is i regularly have people spending $500-1000 a day in the gambling room at the restaurant i work in. Could you do a paper on where these people get that kind of money to just blow? |
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