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Jove Death
Red Dawn Mercenaries Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:24:00 -
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soooooooo
if somebody wins a t2 bpo like the other month which was prob worth about 250bill. How much do they have to input to get that?
Or does someblink pick the highest person that has deposited isk and pick them at random.
I understand the margins are slim but I know there are chars out there that play blink that are in profit.
TBH ITS A LOTTERY GET OVER IT!
You could have actually just given your isk to me instead of doing all that work for somthing we know already |
Kashmyta
Sickology
56
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:59:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:
I am a married man with children.
I understand the scan part but i don't get why you said that, what relevance does that comment have to the post? |
Seven Koskanaiken
Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
339
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:55:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:Of course it's a fix. The house is also betting (via alts), so the house wins a good number of its own blinks. That doesn't mean you don't also have a chance of winning as the odds are still 1/8 for the small stuff and 1/16 for the big stuff (sometimes other odds) but over the course of time the house will always win and your account will regress to the mean, which is lower than break-even (I don't know what it actually is).
Listen people, don't gamble your hard earned isk on Sommerblink. It's addictive and eventually it's going to clean you out.
Looking at a firetail blink with a buyout of 10800000 and a blink of 2000000 the payout is 5.4 to 1.
So e = (5.4*(1/8))+(-1*(7/8)) = -0.2 or 20%.
A rorqual blink has buyout 2742280000 and a blink of 191500000, a payout of 14.32 to 1.
The big blinks seem to be more profitable (or technically, less unprofitable) to play than the small blinks unless each blink has an individual edge, in which case someone can write a script to find the best blinks to play. SOMER's edges of 20% and 17% are quite high though. The house edge on a roulette wheel is only 2.7%. The only game I think has a similar edge in a casino is Keno. Basically, SOMERblink is a game for suckers. |
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1035
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:05:00 -
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Somer Blink gave me 10bil isk for prizes for an EVE fiction contest. I only asked them for 2bil, but when they saw that the contest was legit, they unilaterally upped the donation to 10bil. They may be a for-profit business, but they're generous in their support for the EVE community. |
HUGO DRAX
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:36:00 -
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30 page research to figure out that Casinos make money by having a house edge over the customers who play the game?
It is not rocket science. BLINK is a business, they have a house edge.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3849
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:41:00 -
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Kashmyta wrote:Cipio Alduin wrote:
I am a married man with children.
what relevance does that comment have to the post?
It makes his spending $3000 USD on learning that Bookies take a cut.... less.... sad? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
HUGO DRAX
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:44:00 -
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Someone should do a research on attempting a Martingale strategy on BLINK. |
Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:55:00 -
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The most common misconception here is that the odds of winning a 1/16 raffle with 1 ticket are 1/16.
The truth is this is barely ever the case.
The truth is somer picks the winning number when somer wants to.
On ultras and gigas.
There's several somer alts posting in this thread about:
It's a casino, It's gambling,
Neither really reflect the true nature as they prey on the stupidity of the masses who than feel the need to disregard everything else and relate the operation to a simple lottery.
You're not allowed to pick your shill accounts in lottos, there are laws against it.
In fake spaceship world, there are no such laws governing.
People even think somer is female, on the contrary, somer is a male, whose life partner is also male.
There's nothing wrong with that but it shows you how clueless people really are, how disillusioned.
Somer buries alternates in the dozens both in blink and in game, literally adopts different personalities for these alternates.
Many of which were created 2010 or later, as that's when blink was implemented and old alternates for banking use would not suffice.
3 shil accounts can buy 7, 2 and 1 ticket respectively getting 10/16 tickets on an ultra, people don't second guess when they lose when you set it up this way, furthermore you can revert to the legit lines of code anytime should there be an issue.
The reason why additional profits are sought is because Isk has a real world money value, it's a great system though as we're not allowed to talk about specifics in this area because it violates forum rules.
The reason why ccp cannot nail somer is because you can tell a computer to send a fake set of data indecipherable from real data as to spoof information which would identify your computer. The specifics of which are also not allowed to be discussed on the forums.
There's a whole world out there, those in the know, those who are not. Knowledge is power.
Quick shout out to somer who gave me a plex when my account had no time left and 1 hour was left on the 4 hours granted to plex the account up.
Quick shout out to the success of blink and the customers it holds, it's the perfect amount of rigging, well unless you consider how many people look at shills landing 10 tickets in less than 1 second. Somer states he bans automated accounts, you'd think he'd include his own shills. Nobody can click 10 tickets in a second with the constraints of the human brain and body. The signals from our brain travel quickly, when the signal turns into mechanical action - not so much. The reaction time required is not possible - not nearly by even those with the fastest recorded response times in human history.
The house takes a lot more than the difference in ticket price at the end of the day, and very much of that isk given away is simply given back to the system.
Final note. Somer lists having given out 1 quadrillion isk. Final note, Andrev, somer's partner notes no wallet has over 5 trillion in game Final note, if they kept 0.5% as the margin on 1 quadrillion they'd have a wallet exceeding 5T The isk is laundered and there is no way in the computer savvy world to distinguish spoofed data from legitimate unique nodes |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3849
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:19:00 -
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Cyonsiaros FoilHat wrote:
FYN. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3849
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:25:00 -
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Anyway, shill accounts turn a guaranteed profit (and the rake on Blinks is not small) into a wager. Casinos are not in the business of gambling on raked games.
Incidentally, it is perfectly legal for casinos to use shills (and proposition players) in raked games (done as a customer service when there would otherwise not be enough players to keep the game going, not as a profit seeking endeavor). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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Obunagawe
210
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:26:00 -
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The biggest issue I have with Somer is the legalised RMT aspect. I'm fine with the guy being an ingame quadrillionaire. But he's also an IRL multi-millionaire. None of the rest of us are allowed to RMT in such a way. |
Mac Munoz
Only One Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:25:00 -
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I am unsure why everyone keeps saying that SOMER has some house edge or statistical advantage over you. You aren't playing against SOMER you are playing against other players. SOMER is just providing the means for you to play with those other players. And for her trouble she takes a profit on each lottery.
That all said it doesn't mean that they couldn't have their own alts playing as well, trust is just something you will have to have. They publish the code they use to generate the random numbers as well. She is as open as I feel she needs to be about this service while at the same time protecting herself from competition. At the end of the day the service is a form of gambling and can be directly likened to a state or country funded lottery in real life. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3543
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:32:00 -
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I'm posting this, because i've registered at somer blink today because of this thread.
I've invested 200mill, invested quite a bit of the winnings as blink credits (around 120mill) and then started cashing out again. I've got my whole 200mill back and made 150mill profit, while i still had around 150mill credits left.
I've played through, no break, for less than two hours. (haven't actually looked at the watch, but it was def. less than two hours)
I'll play with the rest ... and then just keep running through my 400+ won tokens. :) |
Bob Blunts
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Posted - 2013.08.10 00:33:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:The biggest issue I have with Somer is the legalised RMT aspect. I'm fine with the guy being an ingame quadrillionaire. But he's also an IRL multi-millionaire. None of the rest of us are allowed to RMT in such a way.
Citation needed.
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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 02:52:00 -
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i recognized some of the names on the suspect list. i always see them winning but never did any research on them. i play blink occasionally, just small amounts here and there and the promos, and so far i'm in the green. i've won and cashed out roughly twice the amount i deposited, so although my account is empty atm from a losing streak, i still gained isk and basically doubled my investment, like paying for one plex and getting two. even if the first plex got eaten up by the investment and losses, the second one is pure profit. the only time i ever really had a 'suspect' moment was when i saw some guy with a ridiculous win ratio who got 2 carrier promos literally back to back.... just struck me as incredibly unlikely in 2 lottos with over 200 tickets each... but not impossible. i've also seen instances of the same number being selected twice in a row for promos, again unlikely but not impossible. overall, i'm satisifed with blink's service and i know plenty of other people that are as well. a couple of buddies have won pretty big on there in the long run. |
Hawelt
Warpspeed Shipping Inc.
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:37:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:You will in the end, loose close to, if not more, than you win and your original deposit, will be gone.
What else did you expect from a self-sustaining lottery ?! That your company has to spend money to figure out the basic concepts behind the business model of casinos and lotteries is mind boggling.
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cerbus
www.caldariprimeponyclub.com
121
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:45:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:omg every ******* lottery on this planet works with the similar systeme. Of course they gain more than they give out...
If you had to spend so much isk to see that pattern then you must be very good at what you do.
Not all to be fair. 500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs#halp Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1795
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Posted - 2013.08.10 15:17:00 -
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cerbus wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:omg every ******* lottery on this planet works with the similar systeme. Of course they gain more than they give out...
If you had to spend so much isk to see that pattern then you must be very good at what you do. Not all to be fair.
[citation needed] Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Rayo Atra
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:02:00 -
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for the record,
ISK deposited: 1.6 Bil
Value of blinks won: 5.1 Bil
This does not include the winning to 2 promos which were a kronos and rorqual. which went for 3.1 bil total.
I am a casual blink player that is up 8 billion.
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
147
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:10:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:29:00 -
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^ Agree fully |
Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:36:00 -
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There is a pattern that exist within the ultra Blinks - I made 20+ billion within a couple of hours. The challenge is that it only happens is spurts so you have to know when to cash out or you'll be on the other side of it. Some of my numbers were 12 out 14 wins with 50% of the tickets and then 1 out of 15 wins when I was on the wrong side of it |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:56:00 -
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Rayo Atra wrote:for the record,
ISK deposited: 1.6 Bil
Value of blinks won: 5.1 Bil
This does not include the winning to 2 promos which were a kronos and rorqual. which went for 3.1 bil total.
I am a casual blink player that is up 8 billion.
Well done mate, you just proved that Blink is legit. Keep it going champ. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2047
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:57:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. *slow clap* It is purely for entertainment.
For what it is worth, my small-potatoes stats:
Blinks Played 111 ISK Deposited 215,000,000 ISK Promo Blinks Played 178 Win Ratio 18.92% Blinks Won 21 Value of Blinks Won 1,068,000,000 ISK Megablinks Won 0 Winnings Transformed to Blink Credit 152,460,000 ISK Promo Blinks Won 0 Winnings Transformed to ISK 0 ISK
I don't think this includes the Gila I got from unwrapping a gift during a celebration, and the deposited ISK includes bonus and gift deposits; I only deposited 100m. I cashed-in a couple of frigates I won (Hookbills) and took the rest as ships. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:46:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:You just discovered the business model of literally every Casino. *slow clap* but I can't compare to Somer's generosity.
interesting. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
309
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Posted - 2013.08.11 01:42:00 -
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ISD Tyrozan wrote:Thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.
/facepalms
We love you too, Tyrozan.
What's the old saying?
Lotteries are a tax on stupid people.....
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:02:00 -
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There is a good reason why CCP donates ships to BIG lottery and gives BIG lottery front page coverage. There is a good reason why CCP does not donate special ships to Somer Blink and doesn't cover SOMER.
If all things were equal somer would get the coverage and the sponsorship by CCP, but somer is not legitimate so it doesn't.
Thinking really is not that hard if you give it a try.
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:29:00 -
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote: There is a good reason why CCP does not donate special ships to Somer Blink and doesn't cover SOMER.
You only played a few weeks before you were banned, and your thread hasn't been getting much attention, so I understand why making up facts is easier than knowing them :)
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/somer-blink-celebrates-900-trillion-isk-in-prizes-2/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/somer-blink-to-fund-all-new-eden-open-entrants/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/gambling-sees-trillions-of-isk-in-turnover/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/somer-blink-giveaway-celebration/ http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-somer-blink/
And a $50 eve store gift card that was contributed to our 50T celebration. :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1795
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:31:00 -
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Cyonsiaros StrawHat wrote:There is a good reason why CCP donates ships to BIG lottery and gives BIG lottery front page coverage. There is a good reason why CCP does not donate special ships to Somer Blink and doesn't cover SOMER.
If all things were equal somer would get the coverage and the sponsorship by CCP, but somer is not legitimate so it doesn't.
Thinking really is not that hard if you give it a try.
//
Probably because Somer doesn't need the sponsorship?
They give stuff away all the damn time.
They did get a community spotlight. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-somer-blink/ Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1781
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Posted - 2013.08.11 03:31:00 -
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Sure seems like a scam to me... |
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