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Xellahmai Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 03:51:00 -
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I've been playing SOMER Blink since March of this year when I hit a point with my finances that I was comfortable doing so. I jumped in after hearing good things from other players and doing my own simple investigation to figure out how it worked. I noticed something rather obvious on their web page that explained how SOMER can legitimately afford to stay in business.
Each Blink clearly states the buyout value of the prize, the number of tickets available and the purchase price for each ticket. This is enough data to calculate SOMER's per prize revenue and gross profit. And guess what? They are making a fair profit off each prize no matter who wins.
This publicly available data makes it absolute transparent as to how SOMER is able to operate a fun game over the long term while giving out tons of free promos and other free prizes and donating to the community. During a recent celebration event someone at SOMER made a simple mistake which resulted in a prize being awarded to the wrong person. A scam business might have voided the play or ignored the person who reported the mistake. SOMER immediately and without hesitation chose to pay out an extra 50+ billion ISK prize to the other person which I think is a very classy way of saying "sorry, we're human and we sometimes make mistakes too".
I look at all available data and recognize that it would not be profitable to shill, scam or cheat their player base in any way. Just like so many things in EVE it comes down to simple math. The gross profit that they pull in is more than I could ever make through any sort of in-game trading at this ISK volume and for that my hat is off to Somer for thinking of it before I did (and doing it right).
I don't play SOMER Blink to make ISK, I play because it's entertaining. I enjoy hanging out in the public chat channel. I enjoy politely talking **** with fellow players as our respective luck swings back and forth. I spend all day controlling the outcome of events as a manager IRL. I can relax and have fun playing Blink because no one has any control over the outcome and anything could happen.
Swedish Hero (1/64 win) on a JF? Been there, done that and it felt great, thanks!
Cheers, X |
Cipio Alduin
Keep Calm And Log Off
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:04:00 -
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Love reading the replies.
Second part of my paper is based on this
You guys are doing my work for me! |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
365
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Posted - 2013.08.11 16:12:00 -
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I've never used the site because I like my gambling in real money at the track but...
Blink gives free "promo" blinks correct? That's the same as the "free play" cards casinos give out to get your ass in the seat? Play ONLY that money and cash out as soon as a good hit comes along or the "free play" money is gone. That's the only way to beat a house.
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Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:09:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Love reading the replies.
Second part of my paper is based on this
You guys are doing my work for me!
hahaha. no. Please stop trying to cover the butthurt
You deposited 90b ISK and that was "subsidised" by your work?
Please private mail me contact details for your company/boss. I will gladly write a report for them on SOMERBlink for the paltry sum of 10b ISK. It will however only be 1 (maybe 2) pages long, and contain the words "works like every other lottery in existence" Paradoxical Honour (blog) |
Sabriz Adoudel
Oppan Ganknam Style
627
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Posted - 2013.08.12 04:25:00 -
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SOMER Blink is the best scam in the game, and it manages that without telling a single lie or even partial falsehood.
Just accept that every time you hit 'play' you are losing 2-5% of the ISK you are betting. If it's fun, play. If it's not fun (or not fun enough to merit that expense), walk.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
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Posted - 2013.08.12 04:29:00 -
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You deeply misunderstand what the word "scam" means, and how to use it in a sentence.
If something does what it says on the tin, it's not a scam. It's a business. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:21:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote:Love reading the replies.
Second part of my paper is based on this
You guys are doing my work for me!
.... would your work have otherwise involved making up fake replies? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Brink Albosa
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:57:00 -
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*popcorn* |
Dilligafmofo
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:02:00 -
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OP,
Please don't feel cheated.
Take a moment, if you will, and consider the rest of us on this planet we call Earth.
Your Father released millions of sperm on that fateful drunken night, the winning swimmer created you. How cheated do you think we feel?
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
792
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:22:00 -
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easily one of the better trolls this week.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Masked Frog
Moo's Mudpit
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:39:00 -
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People need to realize that even if there was Shill Accounts bidding it in no way would effect the amount you win/lose. If you buy 4 of 8 tickets you still have the same odds of winning if 4 of the other bids are fake or real players. The only thing it would effect is not paying out as much for BLINK.
It isn't an auction its a lottery. Remember that and just have fun playing. There are plenty of ways to play to minimize your loses. You can also play in ways to almost certainly destroy your ability to come out even.
I believe i am actually ahead some,takes time and willpower to not just blow all your money. |
Inignort Err
Wolf Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:59:00 -
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Cipio Alduin wrote: Below are the top 5 players who i recorded in the 5-10 billion ISK mark, some times within 2-3 hours or other times over 2-3 days. Now, we all know that making this amount of ISK in EvE without buying a metric ton of PLEXES.
Now, here is your list.
Bloodraven22 <-- Deposited 21 billion ISK on capital ships in less than 2 hours, winning 98% of the lotteries R0ot <-- Deposited over 6 billion in 1 hour, bidding on everything he could and winning 90% of the lotteries ejen8208 <-- Deposited 3 billion 20 minutes on capital ships and only lost 4 of the lotteries Lord Peanut <-- Suspect with the amount of ISK being put in Armarria <-- Same as above
Dingus, or whosit, from this 'lottery' that posted earlier, tore OP apart; but I missed the reaction to this section of the OP. I'll read the report.
Much has been made of casinos and lotteries. As a former *wink* card counter I appreciate one thing and one thing only in casinos (well two if you count the free booze). Rate of ruin. You will go down unless you get up and leave while you are ahead and/or setup a stop-loss to leave when you are behind.
I did chuckle at Dingus referring to RNG's and random.org. LOL dude -- I'll take your word random Internet gaming billionaire and I'll play your game as soon as I get my money back from FullTilt.
"You always said the cards would never do you wrong; The trick you said was never play the game too long." Bob Seger EVE = Formula One -á* -áSWTOR = Indy Car -á* WOW = NASCAR DUCY? |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2013.09.17 20:04:00 -
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The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Ristlin Wakefield
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.17 20:24:00 -
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All I know is that I put 1 billion in, got 3 billion out and left it at that. Some people go back for more winnings....well you in trouble :P
I also profited from Erotica's double game. It's all a game of chance and that's what makes it fun! The best scams have winners and losers. Be the winner! I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Notthespai
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:14:00 -
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Masked Frog wrote:People need to realize that even if there was Shill Accounts bidding it in no way would effect the amount you win/lose. If you buy 4 of 8 tickets you still have the same odds of winning if 4 of the other bids are fake or real players. The only thing it would effect is not paying out as much for BLINK.
I look at these shill accounts like games played with loaded dice.
Its all programed weight now if you give these shill accounts a higher weight than everyone else playing you only have a 1/12 chance of winning while the shill gets a 4/12 get it. You never see whats going on behind the scenes neither has any employee nor associate beside SOMER(no source).. |
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:32:00 -
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The OP's alt pulled a no-content necro, and you tards keep sperging into it.
We're all sick of hearing tinfoil about blink. Just don't play it if you don't want to. There is no one left in eve that hasn't heard your bitching at this point. |
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.18 02:21:00 -
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Sar'ran Zorn wrote:The OP's alt pulled a no-content necro, and you tards keep sperging into it.
We're all sick of hearing tinfoil about blink. Just don't play it if you don't want to. There is no one left in eve that hasn't heard your bitching at this point.
I saw this got necro'd and got my hopes up and popcorn ready thinking OP was posting his report as promised... Aawwww. Paradoxical Honour (blog) |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.19 12:55:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote:*EPIC DAMAGE CONTROL* No need to defend it dude. We all know it's a scam, and still people play it. You can say "oh think of how much work it would be to run shill accounts". Almost none. You write the system that runs the lotteries, so adding the ability for someone to be prioritised would be a minimal change.
As for the whole "why would we scam?" question, easy. RMT. If you buy a whole bunch of plex with raw profit and start dishing it out you're going to throw up red flags. A LOT of red flags. If however "random" people are winning a whole bunch of isk or items, then trading those about to other people (perhaps "accidently" falling for a "sell a plex for 500k" scam) the noone is the wiser. It's not the first time lotteries have been rigged to launder money. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
The Bounty Collector
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:59:00 -
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It is 100% confirmed and known that Somer Blink is a complete scam. They have shill accounts and ban anyone that speaks up on the scam. Ironically just like the previous poster they make a big fuss on zero tolerance for RMT when in fact their entire operation is a giant RMT scam.
Evealopalous is the same deal just much easier to spot and run by a less inteligent scammer.
Keep your isk if you do not want to support scammers and RMT. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
818
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:00:00 -
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Yup yup, down with RMT! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Literally Space Moses
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.20 13:12:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Yup yup, down with RMT!
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:45:00 -
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Literally Space Moses wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Yup yup, down with RMT! A CFC member saying down with RMT is kinda funny, given their huge botting/RMT ring. The huge unproven allegations of an RMT botting ring by people butthurt at being blobbed by the CFC. Besides, anything I say is from me, personally, not a representation of the CFC, and I am against RMT. I just don't believe you can say anything with conviction if you hide behind alts like most of the forum. If I saw any evidence of RMT or botting within my own alliance, I'd be against that and report it too. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
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Posted - 2013.09.21 01:01:00 -
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The Bounty Collector wrote: It is 100% confirmed and known that Somer Blink is a complete scam.
(citation needed)
Lucas Kell wrote:unproven allegations of an RMT botting ring by people butthurt.
This post in this thread proves C&P have no idea how hilariously oblivious their tinfoil is. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:54:00 -
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Given the legit viable nature of the business model - sum of tickets cost more than value of the prize, difference goes to blink. And the volume of business that blink does it strikes me as logical that they should not cheat/shill win.
Probably blink's biggest asset they own is not their huge cash pile but the player trust they have earned over time in a very low trust environment ( Eve ). If someone could conclusively with evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt prove a single blink lottery had been fixed their business would collapse overnight. Without the trust their business model has no more value than Jita scam spam.
As an example of this value - try setting up a competitor to blink, see how easy it is to get players to trust your lottery site. A few have tried, none have even come close to blink and some have been found proof positive to be scams.
I believe it is logically in Blink's best interest that they don't endanger that trust. If it is ever lost it could never be rebuilt, there would always be some doubt. Logically they are much better off taking their skim off the top which they do in a very open and transparent way and actively working to protect and ensure that trust is not endangered.
Logically it makes the most sense for Blink not to cheat. This does not constitute proof they are not cheating. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
838
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:08:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Given the legit viable nature of the business model - sum of tickets cost more than value of the prize, difference goes to blink. And the volume of business that blink does it strikes me as logical that they should not cheat/shill win. Why? I reckon RMT is a powerful motivator when you are in control of trillions of isk.
virm pasuul wrote:Probably blink's biggest asset they own is not their huge cash pile but the player trust they have earned over time in a very low trust environment ( Eve ). If someone could conclusively with evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt prove a single blink lottery had been fixed their business would collapse overnight. Without the trust their business model has no more value than Jita scam spam. There's no way for shill accounts to get caught with proof. At most there's threads like this which get written off as luck for random players.
virm pasuul wrote:As an example of this value - try setting up a competitor to blink, see how easy it is to get players to trust your lottery site. A few have tried, none have even come close to blink and some have been found proof positive to be scams. There's already a few other lottery and gambling sites. BLINK is just one of the biggest. That fact means nothing however, since there's no way to prove anything without having access to the internals of their system,
virm pasuul wrote:I believe it is logically in Blink's best interest that they don't endanger that trust. If it is ever lost it could never be rebuilt, there would always be some doubt. Logically they are much better off taking their skim off the top which they do in a very open and transparent way and actively working to protect and ensure that trust is not endangered.
Logically it makes the most sense for Blink not to cheat. This does not constitute proof they are not cheating. Again though, since there's no way to prove it, they can safely cheat the system all they want. As the control of the ISK goes out of EVE, completely into their system, then gets redistributed by them, they can do whatever they want with it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lightbringer
High Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2013.09.23 10:31:00 -
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I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar.
around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
847
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Posted - 2013.09.23 10:40:00 -
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Lightbringer wrote:I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar.
around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed. Well they wouldn't get very far without legitimate winners. Nobody is saying they don't pay out to the actual players, but that doesn't stop them siphoning ISK for RMT. Trillions of isk goes through them, it's easy enough for them to pay out to legitimate players to keep their reputation without damaging their business. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Alexi Steele
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.23 10:50:00 -
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Protip, captain butthurt - anytime anyone ever sees a CFC member try to cry foul about RMT, we laugh.
We laugh and laugh and laugh.
At you.
Because you RMT. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
847
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:20:00 -
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Alexi Steele wrote:Protip, captain butthurt - anytime anyone ever sees a CFC member try to cry foul about RMT, we laugh.
We laugh and laugh and laugh.
At you.
Because you RMT. So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence by a bunch of butthurt people about and alliance, the you use that to discriminate against all members of that alliance and all associated alliances.
Oh no random guy (a random guy hiding behind an alt at that)! please don't laugh at me! It will make me has a sad!
lol.
Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:24:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence... Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering.
You don't have a problem with hypocracy do you? |
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