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TomHorn
Caldari Waffen Legion
107
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:31:00 -
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Recently, many ethnic Minmatar have claimed that the wave of retributive violence against them throughout the Gallente Federation is a culmination of long-standing prejudice.
Federation Minmatar report describes widespread discrimination within the Federation.
Source http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination/source |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
221
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:11:00 -
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The Article says: "The Republic Tribal Council has demanded an investigation be launched into discrimination against Minmatar in the Federation."
Is this Demand to be Enforced by Dreadnoughts ?
Or is it to be enforced by Titans this time ? |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
260
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Posted - 2013.08.09 14:39:00 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:The Article says: "The Republic Tribal Council has demanded an investigation be launched into discrimination against Minmatar in the Federation." Is this Demand to be Enforced by Dreadnoughts ? Or is it to be enforced by Titans this time ?
I will point out that this is a fairly serious issue, and should be treated us such. The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere. Is anything actually going to change as a result of any inquiries?
Doubtful.
Although I can't say that your comment didn't appeal to my dark sense of humour. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1414
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:32:00 -
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This is just another case of Minmatars asking "are you picking on me because I am Matari?"
No, people are picking on you because you're workshy heathen scum.
If they didn't expect everything to be handed to them on a platter rather than working for it, then perhaps people wouldn't despise them quite so much. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1007
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:53:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote: The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.
The Matari's position and class has nothing to do with the Amarr, and everything to do with themselves.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
510
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:53:00 -
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Oh, the Federation is displaying its real face once again.
First they attacked peoples of Caldari origin, but after they found, that they are too hard and they are breaking their teeth on our nuts, they switched to minmatars.
Lets see, how it will turn out.
And once again, I repeat, that the time, when all nations should stay united to repel the Federation, has come. We need to forget our differences and crush the Federation together, as a union of sentient humans against gallentean villainy!
They must be judged by all of us. And they must pay for their crimes against humanity. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
283
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:16:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.
More like fourth-class citizens.
And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.
Hurr. |
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
266
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:29:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere. More like fourth-class citizens. And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are. Hurr.
Not in the Kingdom, we aren't. Back to your kennel, Blooder. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1417
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:36:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere. More like fourth-class citizens. And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are. Hurr. Not in the Kingdom, we aren't. Back to your kennel, Blooder.
Since the Kingdom has never been ruled by someone from the Khanid bloodline, it could be argued that you are indeed second class citizens.
Not that I would make such an argument of course.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Nulli Secunda
34
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:01:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Oh, the Federation is displaying its real face once again.
First they attacked peoples of Caldari origin, but after they found, that they are too hard and they are breaking their teeth on our nuts, they switched to minmatars.
Lets see, how it will turn out.
And once again, I repeat, that the time, when all nations should stay united to repel the Federation, has come. We need to forget our differences and crush the Federation together, as a union of sentient humans against gallentean villainy!
They must be judged by all of us. And they must pay for their crimes against humanity.
The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression and lets not forget the fact that the Caldari have never been guilt free in the history of our two nations, destroying the dome on an underwater city for example.
I suspect there are problems on both sides, the Federation does have a bad taste in its mouth from the recent actions of the Republic so a general dislike of Minmatar is expected (I'm not condoning it) and I find it suspicious that this only pops up after all the recent trouble. I also have to ask if Minmatar have a chip on their shoulder because of their enslavement, just because your people have been through a terrible ordeal does not mean that everyone else in the galaxy should bow to your every whim.
The Republic should also keep its nose out of Federation business, they really do seem to be going out of their way to annoy the Federation's general population. Perhaps the Federation should be demanding that migrants in the Republic should be getting representation on the Tribal Council? |
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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
266
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:11:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere. More like fourth-class citizens. And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are. Hurr. Not in the Kingdom, we aren't. Back to your kennel, Blooder. Since the Kingdom has never been ruled by someone from the Khanid bloodline, it could be argued that you are indeed second class citizens. Not that I would make such an argument of course.
True. I for one consider him honorary Khanid, though. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
285
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:39:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:Back to your kennel, Blooder.
You know what they say. Takes one to know one. Khanid. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1094
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:04:00 -
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Only on the IGS can a thread about Minmatar victims of ethnic violence still be distorted into "MINMATAR ARE BAD!"
Intergalactic "Summit", my ass. Intergalactic sounding board and bandwagon. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
539
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Posted - 2013.08.11 16:15:00 -
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The Minmatar seem so well-suited to playing the victims it can be difficult to discern at times when they are and when they aren't.
Especially when the typical responses to criticism as regards the Minmatar people is the logical fallacy along the lines of:
"You disagree with the opinions or actions of the Minmatar or Republic? Obviously you are an agent of the Amarrian oppressors and a supporter of slavery!"
I don't see it so much as a "bandwagon" as much as the Matari themselves being apparently incapable of debate outside of moral outrage and allegations that any and all opponents are, "Slavers".
Honestly what's next? A Matari anywhere in the cluster cannot face arrest or due process under the laws of the nation they find themselves in because they're always the victim in life and require special dispensation unless that arrest constitute slavery? |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
285
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Posted - 2013.08.11 17:02:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:The Minmatar seem so well-suited to playing the victims it can be difficult to discern at times when they are and when they aren't.
Especially when the typical responses to criticism as regards the Minmatar people is the logical fallacy along the lines of:
"You disagree with the opinions or actions of the Minmatar or Republic? Obviously you are an agent of the Amarrian oppressors and a supporter of slavery!"
I don't see it so much as a "bandwagon" as much as the Matari themselves being apparently incapable of debate outside of moral outrage and allegations that any and all opponents are, "Slavers".
Honestly what's next? A Matari anywhere in the cluster cannot face arrest or due process under the laws of the nation they find themselves in because they're always the victim in life and require special dispensation unless that arrest constitute slavery?
Good Lord, the oppression in this post!
Won't someone think of the poor Minmatar children, labouring uphill both ways under the weight of their chains, forever enslaved by this crushing condescension ?
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:04:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.
My thesis, exactly. Down with Jovian Meddling and That Sort of Thing. Are they all dead, yet? |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1096
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:17:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Only on the IGS can a thread about Minmatar victims of ethnic violence still be distorted into "MINMATAR ARE BAD!"
Intergalactic "Summit", my ass. Intergalactic sounding board and bandwagon.
Funny, I thought the bandwagon on here the last few years was "**** the Federation". Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
3130
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:55:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Funny, I thought the bandwagon on here the last few years was "**** the Federation". People got bored of that when they finally realised the Federation isn't going to disappear anytime soon, and, in fact, pissing it off might not be such a good idea.
Well, all except one person, anyway. Mane 614
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1066
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:10:00 -
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In recent weeks it has dawned upon me that sarcasm is the destructor of communication. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:59:00 -
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Rainus Max wrote: The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression
Double incorrect. First: It is the Federation, who are aggressors and attacked our home planet, twice already. We are just taking back what is rightfully ours. This is not aggression. What the Federation does - is. Second: While the Federation had succeed for the first time, second time they did horrible job failed. The planet is still partially under our control. But I hope it will be changed soon and the remaining federal occupants will be either booted into open space, or will sink in their own blood. What they did good job in, is killing our citizens. And for this they will pay.
Returning to the aggression, soon you will see it. The Caldari aggression will begin, when you will see our fleets on low orbits of Gallente Prime and Villore, preparing for orbital bombardment with following launching of numerous dropships, that will cover the sun.
But even then it won't be real aggression.
It will be JUSTICE |
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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
300
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:05:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Rainus Max wrote: The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression
Double incorrect. First: It is the Federation, who are aggressors and attacked our home planet, twice already. We are just taking back what is rightfully ours. This is not aggression. What the Federation does - is. Second: While the Federation had succeed for the first time, second time they did horrible job failed. The planet is still partially under our control. But I hope it will be changed soon and the remaining federal occupants will be either booted into open space, or will sink in their own blood. What they did good job in, is killing our citizens. And for this they will pay. Returning to the aggression, soon you will see it. The Caldari aggression will begin, when you will see our fleets on low orbits of Gallente Prime and Villore, preparing for orbital bombardment with following launching of numerous dropships, that will cover the sun. But even then it won't be real aggression. It will be JUSTICE
You're so cute when you get all worked up like this. |
Katarina Musana
Gradient Electus Matari
105
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:35:00 -
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Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Rainus Max wrote: The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression
Double incorrect. First: It is the Federation, who are aggressors and attacked our home planet, twice already. We are just taking back what is rightfully ours. This is not aggression. What the Federation does - is. Second: While the Federation had succeed for the first time, second time they did horrible job failed. The planet is still partially under our control. But I hope it will be changed soon and the remaining federal occupants will be either booted into open space, or will sink in their own blood. What they did good job in, is killing our citizens. And for this they will pay. Returning to the aggression, soon you will see it. The Caldari aggression will begin, when you will see our fleets on low orbits of Gallente Prime and Villore, preparing for orbital bombardment with following launching of numerous dropships, that will cover the sun. But even then it won't be real aggression. It will be JUSTICE You're so cute when you get all worked up like this.
She's always cute. That's part of what makes her genocidal mania so disturbing. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1421
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:23:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Only on the IGS can a thread about Minmatar victims of ethnic violence still be distorted into "MINMATAR ARE BAD!"
The thing is, this was all entirely predictable.
The Gallente are exactly the sort of people who when they can't take retribution against the perpetrators of a crime will instead take it against the kin of the villains.
I'm surprised that the smarter-than-the-average-Minnie leadership of the Electus Matari didn't see this coming when they took part in an illegal incursion into Federation space.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
513
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:25:00 -
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And this is why the Federation must be destroyed! |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
3137
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:29:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And this is why the Federation must be destroyed! Take a drink! Mane 614
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
291
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Posted - 2013.08.13 02:48:00 -
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There aren't enough livers in all the cloning facilities of New Eden for that game, Andreus. |
Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
2
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:36:00 -
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We mourn in different ways, some more barbaric than others. Others, move on this mourning for equal rights and consideration in an oppressed society even within a would-be ally. Yet, that is our price to be, for being the scum we are.
As much as I loath the slaver, they bring valid points, that is something wrong with Matari. And it isn't helped by jollying hippies crying for recognition and equal fairness and a view that the Republic should be a peaceful nation.
Is the treatment fair? Yes. Personal white knighting views will swear differently in delusion against what the stars truly hold. We are NOT in a peaceful universe, we are not in an equal universe, the Matari way is deluded with measures that deserve the rebuke of nations, and their discrimination.
Yet I am Matari.
I condem my kind because I'm sickened to see what they have become.
There is a war going on, a war within our would-be Republic to find ourselves, a war that has lasted for hundred of years laid in the foundations of our tribes and their ways.
Every Matari who flees to the Federation expects to avoid it. Every Matari who willingly flees to the Empire avoids it. Every Matari who cries for a peaceful universe avoids it.
Maybe one day, they'll all wake up and realize nothing is free.
You do have to fight for it. You don't have to murder millions for it, we all already do that as capsuleers, but you will have to fight.
The day our would-be Republic stands toe-to-toe with the Empire, or with the giant of the Federation, in intimidation and able to make demands, THEN we can talk about equal rights...
Until then, if they aim to stop us, we stop running and stop them. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2673
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:41:00 -
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Isis Dea wrote: The day our would-be Republic stands toe-to-toe with the Empire, or with the giant of the Federation, in intimidation and able to make demands, THEN we can talk about equal rights...
Until then, if they aim to stop us, we stop running and stop them.
I don't see how the Fed plays into this. It's not like we violated a border or something silly.
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Isis Dea
Combat Cruise Control
15
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Posted - 2013.08.20 15:36:00 -
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Recent issues where Matari inside the Federation are crying out for equal rights sparked the statement. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
374
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Posted - 2013.08.20 18:44:00 -
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She has a point, there are a lot of Federation Matari complaining about discrimination. This is something that has to be taken seriously.
Where her line of reasoning goes off the tracks, in my opinion, is that she seems to see it as an issue for the Republic, where (presumably) you and I see it as a matter for the Federation to resolve. Her couching it in terms of conflict, and lumping it together with the issues that plague Republic-Amarr relations, are what's interesting here. Bio and writing
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