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Augustus Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:18:00 -
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A recent report by the Scope asserts that there has been a "culmination of long-standing prejudice" against ethnic Minmatar by members of the home nations of the Gallente Federation, especially as a backlash to the Colelie border incident. While the Scope is generally to be held in high regard for its journalistic quality, Elusenia has to call into question the intentions and motivations of these reports.
While Elusenia is a nation-building project in pursuit of high ideals, our corporate structure enforces a sense of pragmatism and realism in our everyday outlook. Racism, prejudice, and discrimination exists in the greater Federation as it does across the wide breadth of New Eden. If these vices did not exist, then the Destiny Foundation and the Serene Republic of Elusenia would have no reason to exist. One of our goals is to eliminate racism and prejudice through education and cosmopolitanism. Schemes across numerous Federation countries are in place to this end. It goes without saying that our efforts tend to focus on poorer territories, as these places are the most susceptible to the vices outlined.
Elusenia takes issue with the claims of the Scope news organization on the grounds that it is deliberately attempting to exacerbate recent Gallente-Minmatar tensions through sensationalist journalism. By providing anecdotes in place of informed statistics and studies, the Scope hopes to aggrandize itself and needlessly inflame the passions of individuals. This does nothing to heal the wounds between the Gallente and Minmatar polities, and merely encourages further reactionary politics which may not necessarily be for the better.
The anecdote of Rogus Thrake demonstrates the poor journalistic integrity of the Scope for this particular case. Manual labour is something that does not exist in Elusenia, and does not exist in numerous areas in the Federation wealthy enough to afford automation. While we would not undermine the claims of Rogus Thrake, the assertion by the Scope that this is a universal occurrence amongst the Gallentean nations is disingenuous at best. For example, there is no discrimination based on ethnic origin within Elusenia. Of course, this may be attributed to the nature of corporate republicanism and its corresponding encouragement of a collective identity, but our presence within Federation borders firmly places us within the Gallente sphere of influence. Cosmopolitanism is a trait most frequently attributed to the Federation. In such places, there are no labels such as Minmatar or Intaki that may or may not divide people. But cosmopolitanism is not universal within the Federation anymore than racial discrimination is.
In addition, what of integrated Minmatar? The most common practice in the Federation is to identify by member state of birth or residence first before any ethnic or cultural labels. Highlighting the just plight of immigrants (who are, by virtue of their status as immigrant, not considered integrated) artificially imposes barriers between groups where no such barriers may exist. The media is exceptionally powerful in a place like the Federation; it can construct issues and tensions where there otherwise may be none.
However, Elusenia does not believe racism and prejudice against any individual, Minmatar or otherwise, is something that "doesn't happen" in the Federation. It is characteristic of the Federal Senate to only respond to a matter once it has been identified by the interstellar media. This reactionary behavior by the Federation Government can only go on for so long. The lack of any sort of anticipatory mindset creates a cretinous attitude that falsely believes that there will not be a problem even if it does not exist either immediately or before the next voting cycle. Nonetheless, Elusenia will support the Senate's committee inquiry, insofar that it will always support the elimination of prejudice and inequality in any form. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1886
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:33:00 -
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Augustus Inhonores wrote:Manual labour is something that does not exist in Elusenia, and does not exist in numerous areas in the Federation wealthy enough to afford automation.
Fedo gas. Sooner or later, somebody, somewhere, in any society, will inevitably have to get their hands dirty, even if it's just in the role of being the guy who maintains the drone maintenance drone maintenance drones. There simply is not, and will never be such a thing as a zero-manual-labour economy.
No matter what, there will always be screwdrivers. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
4003
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:37:00 -
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If I may, I suspect that the Matari response to your ideal of having 'no labels such as Minmatar or Intaki that may or may not divide people' is that it means that the individual ceases to have an independent cultural identity. As they would argue, after rebelling against a millenia of attempts to purge Matari culture, they react strongly in defense of that culture. To use the analogy of a stew, while each cultural ingredient does flavor the cosmopolitan whole, each ingredient also loses its own flavor.
Your ideal of eliminating prejudice and inequality also comes at the expense of eliminating cultural identity.
As Caldari, I'm sure you can guess my view on this. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2653
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:47:00 -
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There's always been tension. Are you kidding? Why do you think there are entire sectors of cities with one race or the other? Birds of a feather and all that sure, but it isn't all hunky dorry.
Even before the incidents, there was tension. I remember some ultra nationalists fucks harassing this Sebiestor girl for selling home made trinket replicas of jewlery from her clan. They kept spouting on and on about integration and getting this 'primitive tripe' out of here...until a fist calmly but firmly reminded his jaw of the dangers of discrimination.
Mind you this was waaay before the incidents. But still, don't try to say the Fed is really just roses and sunshine. We got flaws like everyone else. Also why do you keep trying to cise your new nation up against these claims? They weren't even talking about you. Or you just trying to claim some advertising space under the guise of pragmatacism((sp))?
Either way, bottom line is that those tensions were and are real. Very ******* real.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1886
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:50:00 -
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Anslo wrote:pragmatacism((sp))?
Pragmatism. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
355
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:46:00 -
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While I agree that the Scope is publishing this to capitalize on recent tensions, I don't think that's a bad thing. Regardless of ideals, there is tension between Federation Matari and the other Federation races - retrograde as that might seem. Especially with regard to recent immigrants.
It's true that there are billions of Matari who have successfully integrated into Federation life at all levels. It's unfortunately true, also, that there are incidents of blatant discrimination against Minmatar immigrants. Identification of a problem is the first step towards solving it, so I'm pleased that this issue is being brought to the forefront. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2654
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:08:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Anslo wrote:pragmatacism((sp))? Pragmatism. Thanks Verin!
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Andrea Okazon
Alexylva Paradox
112
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:10:00 -
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Why would we want to hide what's going on? That doesn't help us confront it and end it.
And I don't remember Elusawhatsit being singled out in the report. This is a problem bigger than any planetary member. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1007
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Posted - 2013.08.09 18:55:00 -
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I demand an update on Inhonores, and the possibility of visiting him. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
357
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:20:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I demand an update on Inhonores, and the possibility of visiting him.
It's a well known fact that visits by religious figures have a positive effect on people's recovery from illness and injury. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
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Andrea Okazon
Alexylva Paradox
113
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:22:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I demand an update on Inhonores, and the possibility of visiting him. It's a well known fact that visits by religious figures have a positive effect on people's recovery from illness and injury.
The risen undead do have a greatly increased resistance to disease I'm meant to understand. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2657
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:08:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I demand an update on Inhonores, and the possibility of visiting him. It's a well known fact that visits by religious figures have a positive effect on people's recovery from illness and injury. There's a dark ass joke in here...somewhere...
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1909
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Posted - 2013.08.10 00:27:00 -
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just to be clear: did you mean to say "a dark ass joke" or "a dark-ass joke"? Because those aren't quite the same thing. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
535
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Posted - 2013.08.10 00:29:00 -
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I suppose the Scope could conduct an investigative report into a few Omega-class district ghettos to try and determine the degree of prejudice and discrimination Matari immigrant workers face being the Federation's cheap itinerant labour force so that the populations such as those of the, "Republic of Elusenia" can enjoy not lifting a finger in their life.
Then again, are there in fact any Matari tribal member-states in the Federation? Or is it a case of same-old, same-old where the options given are either: a) Live a diaspora existence prone to economic exploitation in a colonial industrial ghetto b) Integrate and call yourself a Gallentean so you can "Live the dream", or c) Go back to where you came from which in this case is the Republic? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1371
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:51:00 -
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Considering that everyone is supposed to be one happy Federation, why do almost all my Gallente friends consider themselves to be "Half-Intaki / Half-Sebestior" or "Half-Gallente / Half-Civire" so windsdamned always? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
128
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:09:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Considering that everyone is supposed to be one happy Federation, why do almost all my Gallente friends consider themselves to be "Half-Intaki / Half-Sebestior" or "Half-Gallente / Half-Civire" so windsdamned always?
*Walking into view of the camera while hand pressing his shirt*
100% Gallente reporting in.
I guess some feel the need to stand out and feel unique so they hyphenate their lineage. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2666
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:30:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Considering that everyone is supposed to be one happy Federation, why do almost all my Gallente friends consider themselves to be "Half-Intaki / Half-Sebestior" or "Half-Gallente / Half-Civire" so windsdamned always? Just to **** with you.
As for Caviar over there, some of us like pointing out our mixed heritage cause we like meeting and befriending others similar to ourselves and strengthening ourselves overall my identifying as Federals, AND as our respective backgrounds. Pride in heritage and diversity isn't wanting to be 'special' you nob.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
514
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:20:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Considering that everyone is supposed to be one happy Federation, why do almost all my Gallente friends consider themselves to be "Half-Intaki / Half-Sebestior" or "Half-Gallente / Half-Civire" so windsdamned always? Just to **** with you. As for Caviar over there, some of us like pointing out our mixed heritage cause we like meeting and befriending others similar to ourselves and strengthening ourselves overall my identifying as Federals, AND as our respective backgrounds. Pride in heritage and diversity isn't wanting to be 'special' you nob. Disgusting. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
67
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:02:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Then again, are there in fact any Matari tribal member-states in the Federation? Or is it a case of same-old, same-old ... Citizens with Matari heritage are estimated at approximately 30% of the total population of the Federation.
While ethnicity as an identifying feature is not commonly used in the Federation there are a number of member states amongst the tens of thousands across various Federal space that could be labelled as 'Matari' based on the origin of their populations. The region which seems most popular in this respect is Sinq Laison where there are entire planets which have been settled and populated wholly by Federal citizens of Matari heritage.
To flippantly classify these entirely self-sufficient and self-governed planetary populations as 'colonial industrial ghetto(s)' seems to inform us more of your particular prejudices and views of the Matari people and their culture rather than any kind of reality-based fact.
If you're truly interested in the demographic detail, a full list of member states can be requested from the census office of Federal Administration. I hope this has been helpful and informative for you. O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
586
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:28:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote:While ethnicity as an identifying feature is not commonly used in the Federation there are a number of member states amongst the tens of thousands across various Federal space that could be labelled as 'Matari' based on the origin of their populations. The region which seems most popular in this respect is Sinq Laison where there are entire planets which have been settled and populated wholly by Federal citizens of Matari heritage. To flippantly classify these entirely self-sufficient and self-governed planetary populations as 'colonial industrial ghetto(s)' seems to inform us more of your particular prejudices and views of the Matari people and their culture rather than any kind of reality-based fact. If you're truly interested in the demographic detail, a full list of member states can be requested from the census office of Federal Administration. I hope this has been helpful and informative for you.
Mr. Rundle,
If you believe me prejudiced then do at least take solace in the fact that my firm belief in the inherent superiority of the State and the Caldari way of life is applied equally not only in comparison to the Matari, but also the Gallente, the Amarr and indeed all other peoples of the cluster. No need for aspersions for I have the honesty to freely admit it.
That does not however have bearing on a point of idle curiosity I might have as to whether or not Matari - or those whom identify as Matari - in the Federation have merit to their words when they describe feelings of being discriminated against. Now, I feel my point regarding Matari tribal member-states is a pertinent one. For it is when I consider that the Matari came to the Federation when its borders and member governments were already well-defined then I question if there is anywhere in the Federation in which they are able to exert political will over their own lives while remaining true to their own culture. For if democracy is the power of the majority, how can the Matari have political influence if there is nowhere in the Federation they are in fact a majority?
The difference here is that, the Gallente, Intaki, Mannar and Jin-Mei all have areas, states and even whole planets where they are the majority and thus able to have the political power and ability to maintain their own separate and distinct cultures because of it, then is the same true for the Matari who do not have the luxury of having already had well-established worlds where they are the majority inside the Federation? For if the case is that the Matari in the Federation are spread out so diffusely within it where the case is that on the majority of worlds and member-states they form only a minority is it not surprising attitudes of disaffection or feelings of persecution might arise when, even though they form one-third of the Federal population their particular situation does not allow them a political voice congruent with it since they remain the minority on individual worlds of the Federation?
As for my comments on colonial industrial ghettos and the Matari one I think it's also a valid point. For if I consider employment in the Federation and provide the hypothetical scenario where a Federal employer might have to consider two equally qualified individuals for a job and the differences in choice solely being:
1. A recently arrived Matari immigrant who may not speak the language, or understand Federal culture.
or
2. A Gallentean who speaks the language and understands the Federal culture
Which one would they decide upon? I would think all things being equal an employer would decide upon the candidates who speak the language and know the culture. As such, if this occurs often enough to Matari immigrants then would it be unsurprising they might have no other options but to seek occupations that do not reflect their skills and training? That they might even be forced to accept jobs in Omega-class districts out of desperation with all that brings as to risks for the potential of being exploited since they have no other options left? And that, since the Federal government is notorious for not reporting data on O-class districts then the issue as to whether or not there might be widespread exploitation of Matari doing the dirty work in the Federation will not be raised?
Although it's granted I'm not invested so much in the issue being Caldari one way or another. Perhaps it's true, the Matari in the Federation have no cause for complaint for their culture is acknowledged, they are granted political representation equivalent with their population and their concerns are given due consideration in the halls of power in the Senate, and no Matari immigrants ever end up in dead-end menial jobs that is degrading to their skills and education because they're too busy living the Gallentean dream of never-ending prosperity and equality in employment.
Who knows? |
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2062
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:38:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:A Federal employer might have to consider two equally qualified individuals for a job and the differences in choice solely being:
1. A recently arrived Matari immigrant who may not speak the language, or understand Federal culture.
or
2. A Gallentean who speaks the language and understands the Federal culture
Which one would they decide upon? I would think all things being equal an employer would decide upon the candidates who speak the language and know the culture.
I should think a Caldari employer would do the same thing. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
588
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:56:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:A Federal employer might have to consider two equally qualified individuals for a job and the differences in choice solely being:
1. A recently arrived Matari immigrant who may not speak the language, or understand Federal culture.
or
2. A Gallentean who speaks the language and understands the Federal culture
Which one would they decide upon? I would think all things being equal an employer would decide upon the candidates who speak the language and know the culture. I should think a Caldari employer would do the same thing.
I would not deny that fact. However, I am open enough to admit that an immigrant, any immigrant, to the State should seek to speak the language and understand the language of the State if they desire employment in the State. I will be honest in that I find that to be an essential discrimination to be made as a Caldari. I for one have no desire to try and market a, "perfect system" and then issue denials when flaws in the system are illustrated.
It might make me an apologist at best or a hypocrite at worst.
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Kaid Hayden
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
1
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Posted - 2013.08.16 10:40:00 -
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It's easy to take a stroll down a street in any pleasure hub in Gallente space and say discrimination don't exist. Try saying it after looking in the kitchens of the restaurants, or stay out too late till you meet the street sweeper drone maintenance crews. Just look what actors get what roles in the holos. The Federation has a massive problem with discrimination. If you're born with a certain name or on a certain street, your chances of being anything else than a human drone basically comes down to blind luck. Roden's sure as hell not doing anything for the working person.
Enough desperate people in the Federation as it is, and desperate people do stupid things. The politician's ain't going to do nothing about the discrimination because they like it fine when Gallente and Minmatar workers don't cooperate. |
Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
69
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:38:00 -
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Veik,
This is an interesting diversion from the main intent of the thread.
Your "point of idle curiosity" is a complex issue. Perhaps too complex to entertain any considered debate on here without seeing the entire discussion descending to the level of the lowest common denominator. If you agree I am more than happy to shift this conversation with you to your corporation's public channel or other more civil venues.
Veik wrote:I question if there is anywhere in the Federation in which they are able to exert political will over their own lives while remaining true to their own culture ... how can the Matari have political influence if there is nowhere in the Federation they are in fact a majority? I am undecided on whether your understanding of the Federation and its government is as naive as you are projecting or whether you are presenting misinformation under the guise of ignorance.
The Federation is certainly not as static as you imply in either case.
New member-states arise on a regular basis as worlds within Federal borders are colonised, terraformed and settled. Tens of thousands of these member-states currently exist and numbers continue to increase. All of this is documented in the public domain.
There are several planets in Sinq Laison alone which have been wholly colonised by Matari immigrants. States with a majority or total Matari demographic have subsequently arisen from these colony worlds to apply for and be granted membership to the Federation. Alternatively, these colonies can remain non-members of the Federation if that is their desire. Again, this is all verifiable through public domain.
Outside of these Matari-majority colonies and member states, there is no restriction on religious practise, traditions and culture or freedom of association with others.
This definitively answers your inquiry on whether there is 'anywhere' in Federation space where Matari immigrants can self-determine their futures while protecting and maintaining their traditions and cultures.
Veik wrote:The difference here is that, the Gallente, Intaki, Mannar and Jin-Mei all have areas, states and even whole planets where they are the majority and thus able to have the political power and ability to maintain their own separate and distinct cultures because of it .. is the same true for the Matari who do not have the luxury of having already had well-established worlds where they are the majority inside the Federation? We have already established the Matari also have these worlds, states and colonies.
Who in your opinion is 'the majority' in the Federation?
Citizens identifying as 'Matari' comprise 30% of the total Federal population.
So-called 'ethnic' Gallenteans comprise 30-35% of the population. That includes anyone who can trace genealogy back to Gallente Prime. It also includes anyone else who wants to 'identify' as 'Gallente' - a decision which can be based on their current member-state and residence, their alma mater, their current employer or even such nebulous concepts as how they feel about it at that particular time of day. The concept of a 'true' ethnic Gallente bloc acting as a homogenous socio-political entity, as you imply, is unlikely. The truth is that most who now identify as Gallente carry the appearances, traits, practises, cultures and concerns of multiple other segments of Federal society with them.
Who then - the Intaki? By your own words, a Federal culture with enough representation to secure "political power and ability to maintain their own separate and distinct cultures", correct? The Intaki population is estimated at 20% of the population spread across Federal space with majority centres in the Placid region and Luminaire. That puts them behind the Matari immigrant population in the majority numbers game.
The Mannar (at 10-15%) and Jin-Mei (~5%) also, as per you, are capable of maintaining their culture and traditions separate from the Federation. Neither has anything approaching the same representation as the Matari do, however.
The difference between the cultures you listed and Matari in the Federation does not appear to be the absence of colonies or opportunity. Nor does it seem to be lack of a majority and the political voice that can be shaped into. If anything the Matari in Federal space are better situated than others in many of these respects. Perhaps then it is the fact they are immigrants and relatively new ones, albeit now into their fourth or fifth generation, still seeking to define their place in a new world order?
I felt your hypothetical was poorly framed. It was there to present only the most extreme options that would best support your intent rather than serving to catalyse a dialogue based on a wider, more realised understanding of the situation.
To that effect, I would point out that public-access data exists demonstrating citizens of Matari origins working in all sectors, professions and fields of employment across the Federation. They occupy positions in every measurable wealth bracket. They are as diverse in these metrics as in any other. Stereotypes, where they exist, are the stereotypes of the wider cluster with as many exceptions as there are examples of them. The image of Matari immigrants universally confined to "colonial industrial ghettos" is just that - an image crafted as convenient propaganda, perpetuated by minds too narrow to conceive of anything beyond their own agenda.
There are certainly cultural tensions within the Federation - no society that projects the diversity it does could exist in their absence. My position is similar to Inhonores: elements within society, the media and faction-loyal propaganda mouthpieces amongst them, inflate and inflame these tensions beyond reason and factual basis purely to suit their own self-serving agendas. O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Havohej
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
26
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:50:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Anslo wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Considering that everyone is supposed to be one happy Federation, why do almost all my Gallente friends consider themselves to be "Half-Intaki / Half-Sebestior" or "Half-Gallente / Half-Civire" so windsdamned always? Just to **** with you. As for Caviar over there, some of us like pointing out our mixed heritage cause we like meeting and befriending others similar to ourselves and strengthening ourselves overall my identifying as Federals, AND as our respective backgrounds. Pride in heritage and diversity isn't wanting to be 'special' you nob. Disgusting. Yes, it is.
Oh, to be so beautiful, unique and yet somehow wholly homogenous... so bloody eager to identify with something larger than one's self, instead of evolving.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames. [10K] is recruiting! OOC Forums at Backstage |
Constantin Baracca
4
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Posted - 2013.09.01 05:52:00 -
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Actually, I do have a pertinent question. I hear quite a bit about how Matari in the Minmatar Republic feel about the Gallente Federation. I have also heard about how the Matari in the Gallente Federation feel about the Gallente Federation.
How do the Matari in the Republic feel about the Matari in the Federation and vice versa? "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
936
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Posted - 2013.09.01 06:12:00 -
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In my experience all Minmatar, no matter where they currently reside, are part of the same large family. This includes those of us living in servitude in Amarr territory (and hopefully explains why we're so concerned about their fate).
As a Matari emigrating from the Federation I've very rarely been treated any differently from those who were born and raised in the Republic. The handful of times when I was viewed as somewhat of an outsider happened in small, ultra-traditional enclaves in isolated systems far from the core worlds. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1577
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:52:00 -
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You really think that? All minmatar are part of some big happy family?
And all Caldari are part of the Glorious State and live according to Heiian... |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
577
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Posted - 2013.09.01 09:59:00 -
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From experience, most ethnic Minmatar that show signs of commonly accepted "deviance" in the usual Matari "definition", like Ammatars, enlightened Matari slaves, Matari pirates and angels, are often denied by their "kin" the right to be called "Matari".
Or else, it would be really disturbing. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
142
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Posted - 2013.09.01 10:37:00 -
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I would like to respectfully submit, strictly personally, that Mr Augustus Inhonores should consider that he is in a position of inexperience.
Those who have not yet felt the sting of overt racism, in my experience, seem to be the first to call for everyone to shed their identity in favor of a new one, i.e. "We're not ethnic Gallente, or Sebiestor. We're human."
This concept is very palatable but flawed because, there are people in every corner of the cluster, even the federation, who see a race and nothing else.
Noble ideal indeed, but I humbly suggest the Director General overestimates and underestimates. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
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