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Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:14:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:It's not that he joined a "bad" corp, it's that he made a big deal of going down with the ship and how TEST would rise againGÇöand then he left it. Yes, in his case. I'm talking about you reminding me if ever something could happen...
Not that it really matters to me. People will have fun the most remarkable places - just look at Essex. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
638
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Posted - 2013.09.01 20:34:00 -
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In all fairness, you were all trying to convince him to jump ship, so he just took your advice. |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Northern Associates.
505
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:26:00 -
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I didn't exactly jump ship. I'm in the same corp, my corp decided we'd rather rent from N3 than continue with Test. It was a tough choice as everyone really likes TEST and I believe a couple of pilots are considering applying to TEST corps and leaving us.
For us it was mostly about economic stability. There's a lot of things you can't really do if you keep moving like PI, reactions, even low-mid range moon mining and we were also very fed up of packing things up and moving. I suspect that even if TEST's deployment to Curse goes well it will be followed by yet another move.
Becoming renters puts us in the weird position of being an asset rather than a defender - if Goons were to invade we could stay docked for a week then politely negotiate a new deal with our new landlords and carry on business as usual. We're a fixture of the system we live in, like an asteroid belt or something. I believe some of our neighbours have lived here for close to a decade under a succession of different landlords.
That's not to say we've given up pvp. We're going to focus in the short term on frig pvp in low sec plexes something a number of us are very keen on. It's very different from nullsec pvp and teaches players a lot about managing our own ships, using traversal and range to edge out an advantage over opponents which I think will be solid knowledge to have when we go back into battleships and battlecruisers. In some ways it's also quite nice to be apolitical - if we shoot someone it's because we feel like shooting people not because our empire is in mortal struggle with the dark empire. I'm hoping we can start scavenging the edges of other people's strat ops - rather like ENL-A did so very effectively at 1-SMEB where they picked off NC. reinforcements.
I realise that my posts and Toshiro's now may seem rather silly to look back on but I enjoyed posting and there always was a slight undercurrent of tongue in cheek braggadocio. And all you lot were doing it too - the difference is your side won so you aren't placed in the position of being embarassed by any daft tubthumping you did when the war hung in the balance.
That said there's considerable credit due to the CFC for the way you won the war so if you want to point at me and gloat enjoy the moment :) CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:45:00 -
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Callduron wrote:I enjoyed posting
This is the only thing that matters. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
408
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:51:00 -
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Get ISK, get energy, get back, get space. Or something like that. +1 for a very coolminded and sensible post. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
112
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Posted - 2013.09.02 18:58:00 -
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There is always renting for people who can't take the heat. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4278
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:00:00 -
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Callduron wrote: I didn't exactly jump ship. I'm in the same corp, my corp decided we'd rather rent from N3 than continue with Test.
Eh well, can't blame you for anything then.
Callduron wrote:if Goons were to invade we could stay docked for a week then politely negotiate a new deal with our new landlords and carry on business as usual. We're a fixture of the system we live in, like an asteroid belt or something. You're fine with that? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Northern Associates.
508
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Callduron wrote:
[quote=Callduron]if Goons were to invade we could stay docked for a week then politely negotiate a new deal with our new landlords and carry on business as usual. We're a fixture of the system we live in, like an asteroid belt or something.
You're fine with that?
I think so.
I tend to view Eve from the perspective of a pvper and FC. If Goons invade I'd be thinking about what SEDNA could do to find some gameplay and fun in the situation. Now we're light blue so we can't shoot N3/PL so we'd be shooting the invaders. We also can't join fleets as we're not properly in the alliance so I'd be looking at small gang tactics for harassing larger opponents - bombers, nano, snipers, gate camps etc. I'd be advising my corp on how to get the maximum fun and effectiveness against the invaders.
But we're not actually in sov war as such. So if sov changed in our system it would make sense for us to negotiate a new deal with our conquerors, saving us from having to take our towers down, lose our pocos, move PI (which takes hours to set up) etc.
Once conquered we'd then (hypothetically) be blue to the CFC and neutral to N3.
As a FC looking for content I'd then be looking at how we could harass our neutrals around the fringes of the main sov war battles.
I'm not in charge of SEDNA though, I just help figure out how we fight stuff and take fleets out. Overall policy would come from our CEO and he might pursue other alternatives such as joining N3 as full members or accepting an alternative system in space that hasn't been conquered. He has good RL friends in N3.
How do renters normally manage a change of landlord? Or have renters up till now simply never fought in the sov wars that affect their systems? Until you asked, Alvaria, I'd not really thought of renters as conquerable military assets but in our case at least we probably are. Essentially 1) we shoot neuts 2) we're blue to the people who own our system 3) we dont want to move and 4) we're not part of some space empire as such, merely people who have a temporary business arrangement.
This all sounds terribly disloyal to N3 so I should stress again I'm not in charge. I'm just thinking through the logic of an unfamiliar situation. CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
Aaron Kyoto
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
7
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Posted - 2013.09.03 16:14:00 -
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Renters tend to evac or pay their new overlords to remain a renter.
During the russian war (long time ago), some groups were paying both sides since space was changing hands so rapidly. |
HUGO DRAX
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
8
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Posted - 2013.09.04 22:39:00 -
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Curse, lots of beautiful scenery and clean vacuum. |
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Tribal Band
338
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:51:00 -
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I haven't read mittani's 2-part fail-cascade article in a while. I wish someone had reminded me of it some months ago. Every alliance leader, past present, and future, should read those articles. Free Ripley Weaver! |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
115
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:21:00 -
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The fail-cascade articles where written to help push along IRCs cascade during the droneland wars at the time. This was back when IRC and ED actually where able to do something in the game. Some of the stuff in those articles was leaned toward them so you have to remember that when reading them. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4588
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Posted - 2013.09.21 03:50:00 -
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Did TEST read them There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11918
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:08:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Callduron wrote:I enjoyed posting This is the only thing that matters. Someone should sponsor this guy. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Northern Associates.
521
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:26:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Rhes wrote:Callduron wrote:I enjoyed posting This is the only thing that matters. Someone should sponsor this guy.
No need. We're doing most of our pvp in low sec in frigates at the moment. My fits run to about 9m which I can afford very comfortably. I got through 3 tonight and we're enjoying ourselves enormously.
Or if you mean sponsor me to post, don't worry, I write plenty about Eve and have my own blog.
And I won't forget CAOD :) CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
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