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Shadow H Mask
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:53:00 -
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Hi, just wanted to make a quick post with two quick suggestions.
I'd like to be able to see my history of item purchases in the LP store. Also, it'd be great if I could look at the market in order of Meta Level, instead of just Alphabetical.
That's it!
/SHM |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
1289
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:54:00 -
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You can record your LP transactions using a paper and pencil, and you can memorize the meta levels. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:57:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:You can record your LP transactions using a paper and pencil, and you can memorize the meta levels. Sounds like effort. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3550
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:03:00 -
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It's damn easy remembering the meta levels. Use your brain! |
Shadow H Mask
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:08:00 -
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Okay, so, "you /can/ remember Meta Levels" is not really an argument against being able to sort items by meta level.
Same goes really with the recording my LP store purchases with pen and paper.
Sure, these are immediate solutions. And they work. But, why would you post these? Srsly?
Solstice Project wrote:Use your brain!
/shm |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3550
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:12:00 -
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What's *your* argument that explains a need to sort them that way? |
Shadow H Mask
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:17:00 -
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So that the items in market can be ordered by meta level, instead of just by alphabetical order.
/shm |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3552
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:24:00 -
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That's not an argument. You just stated your need... again.
I asked for an argument why this is necessary... |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:28:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:That's not an argument. You just stated your need... again.
I asked for an argument why this is necessary...
think of the children! |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1175
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:02:00 -
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Shadow H Mask wrote:Hi, just wanted to make a quick post with two quick suggestions.
I'd like to be able to see my history of item purchases in the LP store. Also, it'd be great if I could look at the market in order of Meta Level, instead of just Alphabetical.
That's it!
/SHM
The title and first line were redundant and contained no real information so stopped the suggestions from being quick. Apart from that, reasonable requests so 7/10. |
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Dalmont Delantee
DucKtape Unlimited SpaceMonkey's Alliance
154
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:08:00 -
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Features and ideas -> that way or the little things thread
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3554
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:35:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Shadow H Mask wrote:Hi, just wanted to make a quick post with two quick suggestions.
I'd like to be able to see my history of item purchases in the LP store. Also, it'd be great if I could look at the market in order of Meta Level, instead of just Alphabetical.
That's it!
/SHM The title and first line were redundant and contained no real information so stopped the suggestions from being quick. Apart from that, reasonable requests so 7/10. Although i hate disagreeing with you, i have to. And i'll explain why i think it's a bad idea.
Obviously we are talking about sorting on the left hand side of the market window. (Just to make it clear)
So, the client should sort by metalevel. Means the client has to gather the data from the server for each item, or have it hardcoded by name. (CCP made an effort to make metalvls easily recognizeable by name, you remember ?)
The hardcoded version creates the least impact on the server, but is highly impractical. Just look at the amount of namss and meta levels... that's madness.
Bothering the server isn't better either, because the client doesn't necessarily know which of the items you have open categories for need to be sorted, so he loads them all. Multiply that by a few hundred people, all at once in Jita alone. Impractical.
That's just the technical aspect.
Now i'll ask again...
What argument is thers for having this, besides lazyness? |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1175
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:57:00 -
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I simply saw this as a client side filter as the meta level is an aspect of each item so shouldn't affect the server. I'm probably too hungover to get this at the minute, gin and tonics last night for some reason. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3554
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Posted - 2013.08.10 11:14:00 -
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Solhild wrote:I simply saw this as a client side filter as the meta level is an aspect of each item so shouldn't affect the server. I'm probably too hungover to get this at the minute, gin and tonics last night for some reason. You're probably right with all the data sitting on the client, but i still like my post, although it lacks any ground. ^_^
Already made TWO reasonable good posts in TWO days, so please cut me some slack. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:11:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:You can record your LP transactions using a paper and pencil, and you can memorize the meta levels. My most favourite feature of Windows is the little "sticky note" application...
They come in handy for situations like this! I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:39:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:You can record your LP transactions using a paper and pencil, and you can memorize the meta levels.
But but we use computers pens pencils are hard to use and paper is bad. SAVE THE TREES!!! |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1753
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:41:00 -
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Why are you putting /shm after all your posts? Don't you know these forums have a signature function? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Cyber SGB
Bionetic Creations
14
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Posted - 2013.08.10 19:07:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Why are you putting /shm after all your posts? Don't you know these forums have a signature function?
Why use the signature function when one can just quickly keyboard it in? That's just laziness. I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:32:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:46:00 -
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I think it's a good idea. Many other games already have markets/auctions with the ability and functionality of organizing items with filters on the display. I was actually kind of surprised that I couldn't do it in EVE's market interface. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
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Shadow H Mask
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:28:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:[quote=Solhild] Although i hate disagreeing with you, i have to. And i'll explain why i think it's a bad idea.
Obviously we are talking about sorting on the left hand side of the market window. (Just to make it clear)
So, the client should sort by metalevel. Means the client has to gather the data from the server for each item, or have it hardcoded by name. (CCP made an effort to make metalvls easily recognizeable by name, you remember ?)
The hardcoded version creates the least impact on the server, but is highly impractical. Just look at the amount of namss and meta levels... that's madness.
Bothering the server isn't better either, because the client doesn't necessarily know which of the items you have open categories for need to be sorted, so he loads them all. Multiply that by a few hundred people, all at once in Jita alone. Impractical.
That's just the technical aspect.
Now i'll ask again...
What argument is thers for having this, besides lazyness?
If the data has been coded into a database (PostgreSQL or MySQL for example) then it should already be sitting in some nice tables. The technical difference between sorting data by a primary key or secondary key (alphabetical or meta level, for example) should really be only one extra line of code. However, the extra load on the database server would still exist, as you pointed out, if the data is being presented by primary key initially and then "converted" to sorting by secondary key.
But again, if the UI was coded 'correctly' (for lack of a better term) the load would be the same, since all those people who have their settings set to display by meta level wouldn't require the server to present the table sorted by primary key. It just fetches the data by meta key instead.
Still, there would be some increase in server load, regardless. I can't say for sure how much of an increase since I'm not a DB coder (or coder of any description).
As to your question as to the (technical?) need for having this feature, other than laziness? Well, there isn't really one. It would just save having to click on each item in a list to look at the info to see the meta level (which also isn't always included) in order to work out whether the market price being asked for is reasonable, and whether the item is going to fit my needs. It's more of a suggestion to allow my cognitive process to follow an order I can understand, rather than having to jump around (which is not a natural way for thought process to occur).
Thanks for the response though, it was indeed insightful.
/shm |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
547
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:50:00 -
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Shadow H Mask wrote:Okay, so, "you /can/ remember Meta Levels" is not really an argument against being able to sort items by meta level.
Problem is: EVE players already know metalevel and, in general modules attributes (beside often the meta is coded in the name itself); when browsing the market they already know what they're searching for, it's only a matter of experience.
So I think this this is felt like a required basic EVE know-how and an usless automatism for lazy people.
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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.08.11 04:17:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Shadow H Mask wrote:Okay, so, "you /can/ remember Meta Levels" is not really an argument against being able to sort items by meta level. Problem is: EVE players already know metalevel and, in general modules attributes (beside often the meta is coded in the name itself); when browsing the market they already know what they're searching for, it's only a matter of experience. So I think this this is felt like a required basic EVE know-how and an usless automatism for lazy people.
Troll Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Sol Kal'orr
TLSG Asgard Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.08.11 05:00:00 -
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This calls for a game of 'Guess the Meta-Level':
- Modal Light Ion Particle Accelerator I:
- Small Focused Modal Pulse Laser I:
- 150mm 'Scout' Accelerator Cannon:
- 150mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I:
- Gatling Afocal Maser I:
- 125mm Gatling AutoCannon I:
- 220mm Medium Prototype Automatic Cannon:
- 200mm Prototype Gauss Gun:
- Fleeting Warp Disruptor I:
- Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I:
- Limited 1MN Afterburner I:
- Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I:
- Beta Hull Mod Nanofiber Structure:
- Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I:
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Kakuzo Noud
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:33:00 -
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Reasonable requests.
+1 |
Apelacja
Gods products
27
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:44:00 -
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+1 old players get used to but at begin its a big pain. or there could be added an option from client side to see items by level in market window. However in that case ppl who play on lowest resolution will have not enough space on screen for that "feature". |
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