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Iome Ambraelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:50:00 -
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Can we please get all medium size missile launcher modules included in ship bonuses? Specifically I'd like the Rapid Light platforms added to all bonuses that currently only list Heavy and Heavy Assault. For example, the Tengu Accelerated Ejection Bay has two launcher based bonuses. The RoF bonus affects HML, HAM, and RL launchers equally. The missile velocity bonus however only affects HML and HAM launchers.
This is basically like giving a bonus to 200mm and 250mm rail optimal range but specifically excluding the Dual 150mm platform from the bonus. Really, these bonuses should simply be naked bonuses without a size category and let the fitting limitations sort it out or include a platform size limitation like Medium Launchers. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:29:00 -
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Tengu has 2 broken subs: Acceleration Ejection Bay - gives +100% dps bonus (12 effective launchers), All other T3 have 60% maximum. Removing kinetic bonus will fix that problem. Capacitor Regeneration Matrix - gives more cap, PG and cap regen than any other engineering sub.
And you want to buff one of them... Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:50:00 -
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Quote:This is basically like giving a bonus to 200mm and 250mm rail optimal range but specifically excluding the Dual 150mm platform from the bonus. Really, these bonuses should simply be naked bonuses without a size category and let the fitting limitations sort it out or include a platform size limitation like Medium Launchers.
Dual 150s do not have frigate-level tracking and signature resolution. |
Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:39:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Tengu has 2 broken subs: Accelerated Ejection Bay - gives +100% dps bonus (12 effective launchers on a cruiser), All other T3 have 60% maximum (legion missile sub has +66,67% but has no damage projection/application bonus). Removing kinetic bonus (or swap to explosion velocity or radius bonus) will fix that problem. Capacitor Regeneration Matrix - gives more cap, PG and cap regen than any other engineering sub.
And you want to buff one of them...
Tengu is balanced by crap fitting stats, it has only 600 PG with the aug cap reservoir, which is the only subsystem that allows 6 launchers. You can't fit 6 launchers and a MWD on a Tengu without a fitting mod, let alone anything else. PvP Tengus almost always use 5 launchers, never 6.
HAM Legion fits 6 launchers a 100mn AB and a 1600mm plate without a single fitting mod, and has better cap than the aug cap reservoir Tengu on top of it. |
Iome Ambraelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:21:00 -
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First I was only using the Tengu subsystem bonus as an example. This isn't about balancing the T3 cruisers against each other. It's about making cruiser hull bonuses apply to all cruiser level missile platforms. Another example is the current Cerberus bonus to flight time. It only affects Heavy and Assault launchers but excludes HAMs. This is being rectified in the 1.1 HAC rebalancing with all the bonuses being changed to their naked form:
Current Bonuses: Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level
Heavy Assault Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Assault Missile and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level
1.1 Bonuses: Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
Caldari Cruiser Bonuses: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage 10% bonus to Missile velocity
Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses: 10% bonus to Missile flight time 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire
Notice how all the new bonuses simply say "Missile velocity" or "Missile flight time"? They no longer mention specific missile systems. I want to make sure that this type of change is applied across the board to all missile cruisers to bring Rapids into the fold. If this requires a rebalancing of the Rapid system then so be it. At least then you have more options in how you develop your ship loadout. |
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