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destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:20:00 -
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Here iam wondering why a BlackOps cant fit a covert ops cloak at all. but can use the Covert ops bridge, and covert cyno's
CCP should fix this or its not really Black Ops at all. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:22:00 -
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:30:00 -
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Because they have jumpHarmonics 5, but don't belong to any of the ship groups 963, 830, 833, 834, or 1202.
Also, GÇ£BlackGÇ¥ is not the same as GÇ£CovertGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
162
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because they have jumpHarmonics 5, but don't belong to any of the ship groups 963, 830, 833, 834, or 1202.
Also, GÇ£BlackGÇ¥ is not the same as GÇ£CovertGÇ¥.
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Spergie Scrublord
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.12 00:34:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:19:00 -
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I've also always wondered the same thing.
The ship is extremely expensive, fragile compared to other battleships but unable to fit a covops cloak.
Doesn't make any sense.
I've often wanted to build a Widow but the fact that you cant warp stealthed puts too much money on the line. Teonosude. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
81
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:25:00 -
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They'll probably get around to dealing with it when they rebalance the black ops in general. I guess the initial idea was "a battleship shouldn't warp cloaked" which kind of doesn't make sense since with Black Ops 3 or higher you can warp straight after dropping cloak if you were aligned. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:18:00 -
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I believe the black ops are a relic of the past when ships couldn't warp cloaked. Stealth bombers were fixed for that, but not black ops. It will be fixed soon... pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:38:00 -
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William Walker wrote:I believe the black ops are a relic of the past when ships couldn't warp cloaked. Stealth bombers were fixed for that, but not black ops. It will be fixed soon...
that would be op.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
83
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:58:00 -
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Well all things considered, they're still battleships and the only thing actually changing would be them being cloaked while in warp. Right now they can decloak and warp immediately anyway.
(I would not take my chances with a gatecamp in a damn battleship anyway.)
Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
293
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Posted - 2013.08.12 10:31:00 -
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Relic of the past. From the no solo-pwnmobile era. Even with abilty to warp cloaked they would be crap for solo ganking. They should rename them black ops industrial instead cus they're about as scary as a cloaky badger II. Battleship yeah right.
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Ludi Burek
Toilet Emergency JIHADASQUAD
247
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:17:00 -
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If black ops became covert cloaky/warpy it would become my use for everything ship. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1765
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:27:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:William Walker wrote:I believe the black ops are a relic of the past when ships couldn't warp cloaked. Stealth bombers were fixed for that, but not black ops. It will be fixed soon... that would be op.
...how? Any blackops has the tank of a rookie ship that's fallen down the stairs. As soon as it decloaks out of warp, just sneeze on it and you should be fine. Not like it can avoid bubbles or insta-align either, so they won't exactly be hard to decloak. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
236
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:31:00 -
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Trii Seo wrote:They'll probably get around to dealing with it when they rebalance the black ops in general. I guess the initial idea was "a battleship shouldn't warp cloaked" which kind of doesn't make sense since with Black Ops 3 or higher you can warp straight after dropping cloak if you were aligned.
Black ops also have no targetting dealy after declaoking which would make them kind of epic if they could fit a cov cloaks. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
83
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:28:00 -
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It's actually pretty useless idea since one does not just "warp" in a black ops. The peasant with a cyno warps and takes gates, you await his signal and jump on top of already caught prey to murder it and claim the killmail.
This is how 1% does it~ Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
410
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:23:00 -
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If black ops BS were able to covops cloak, they would be the best ship in the game and would be horribly unbalanced.
The decision to force them to use regular cloaks, but with the speed bonuses they get and the no targetting delay after decloak was one made to keep them balanced when they were first introduced.
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Zakki Zateki
Invidia.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:19:00 -
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The people who say black ops battleships need a covert ops cloak are the people that have never used a black ops battleship |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1766
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:59:00 -
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Zakki Zateki wrote:The people who say black ops battleships need a covert ops cloak are the people that have never used a black ops battleship
Yes, cloaks aren't much needed when black ops are obsolete in all but bridging functions.
Chandaris wrote:If black ops BS were able to covops cloak, they would be the best ship in the game and would be horribly unbalanced.
A few of you keep saying this without justification. Why? Have you considered that:
- Blackops have far weaker tanks than their regular counterparts
- Blackops put out far less damage than their regular counterparts
- Blackops cost much much more than their regular counterparts
- Blackops battleships, unlike covops T3s, cannot dodge warp bubbles. Thus, despite theoretically sharing cloaking whilst warping, they'd be much easier to catch.
- Blackops battleships, unlike bombers and blockade runners, warp sloooooooooowly. I mean sloooooooooooowly. Even if they cloaked and warped, they'd be so much easier to decloak and bump whilst aligning.
Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4491
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:18:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Zakki Zateki wrote:The people who say black ops battleships need a covert ops cloak are the people that have never used a black ops battleship Yes, cloaks aren't much needed when black ops are obsolete in all but bridging functions. Chandaris wrote:If black ops BS were able to covops cloak, they would be the best ship in the game and would be horribly unbalanced. A few of you keep saying this without justification. Why? Have you considered that:
- Blackops have far weaker tanks than their regular counterparts
- Blackops put out far less damage than their regular counterparts
- Blackops cost much much more than their regular counterparts
- Blackops battleships, unlike covops T3s, cannot dodge warp bubbles. Thus, despite theoretically sharing cloaking whilst warping, they'd be much easier to catch.
- Blackops battleships, unlike bombers and blockade runners, warp sloooooooooowly. I mean sloooooooooooowly. Even if they cloaked and warped, they'd be so much easier to decloak and bump whilst aligning.
Well, they aren't all that much weaker, but yeah they do suffer in comparison to their base hull.
I don't think there would be much need to worry about them being caught at a gate... they really don't have much need to use them. And if they do without having a Stealth Bomber scouting for them they deserve to die. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
57
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:28:00 -
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A Dev mentioned at Fanfest 2013 that there are no plans to allow the Black Ops to warp cloaked because it would make them overpowered. While Devs say a lot at Fanfests, this one did so while being sober. So, it is probably not a relic of the past but a conscious design decision.
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Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
164
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:20:00 -
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they are meant to be moved only with a friend that have a covert cyno, not alone thats why |
Isaac Collins
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
70
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:39:00 -
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Not until they make a new cruiser or destroyer type class that can actually see cloaked ships on overview/ and or probes. There's a counter to literally everything in eve except cloaking.
Speed tank = Warp Scramble Blaster R4pe = Tracking Disruptors Ecm= ECCM Warp Disruptor/Scrambler= Warp Stabs And so on and so on, Cloaking is the only thing that is impervous to everything.
You can't even gate camp cloakers, If done correctly there is not even a moment for you to INSTA lock them. Maybe if they added a 1 second buffer time when they come out of gate cloak before they can cloak warp i'd be ok with Co Op ships being even more broken then they already are.
TLDR: add a 1 second buffer so I can actually target these ships at the most vulnerable moment that every ship in the game has to deal with. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
257
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:56:00 -
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humm to be accurate there is a counter to everything that agresses you actually ( see your list )
but i've never saw a cloacked ship target someone, or anything else .. because when you are cloak you can't do nothing except Warp ... and just move.
and when you move if you try to bump someone =decloaked
etc etc
So no need counter to something that doesn't do anything :x RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Isaac Collins
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
70
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:20:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:humm to be accurate there is a counter to everything that agresses you actually ( see your list )
but i've never saw a cloacked ship target someone, or anything else .. because when you are cloak you can't do nothing except Warp ... and just move.
and when you move if you try to bump someone =decloaked
etc etc
So no need counter to something that doesn't do anything :x When a cloaker de cloaks from the gate jump you can target them but it will never let the targeting actually start,no matter how many times you spam click target while they are clearly visible while changing into cov ops cloak. This is just pure bs. I shouldnt have to sit on gate with a smart bomb battle ship just to kill them. I should get literally 1 second to be able to target them and point them. Its pure bs that they can avoid it regardless of your scan res. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
294
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:33:00 -
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Id like to know why a BO's would be overpowered if it could warp cloaked? Details. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:20:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Ships & Modules.
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Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:15:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Id like to know why a BO's would be overpowered if it could warp cloaked? Details.
The Redeemer is a Navy Geddon with one less gun. It still does 1250 DPS, putting a covops cloak on that is absolutely ridiculous. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
97
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:04:00 -
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Isaac Collins wrote:Irya Boone wrote:humm to be accurate there is a counter to everything that agresses you actually ( see your list )
but i've never saw a cloacked ship target someone, or anything else .. because when you are cloak you can't do nothing except Warp ... and just move.
and when you move if you try to bump someone =decloaked
etc etc
So no need counter to something that doesn't do anything :x When a cloaker de cloaks from the gate jump you can target them but it will never let the targeting actually start,no matter how many times you spam click target while they are clearly visible while changing into cov ops cloak. This is just pure bs. I shouldnt have to sit on gate with a smart bomb battle ship just to kill them. I should get literally 1 second to be able to target them and point them. Its pure bs that they can avoid it regardless of your scan res.
Lazy PVPer tears best tears. Tell me more about how sad it makes you that your gate camp can't catch literally everything. |
Baron vonDoom
Scorn.
62
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:23:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Id like to know why a BO's would be overpowered if it could warp cloaked? Details. The Redeemer is a Navy Geddon with one less gun. It still does 1250 DPS, putting a covops cloak on that is absolutely ridiculous.
No |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1777
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:10:00 -
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Xequecal wrote: The Redeemer is a Navy Geddon with one less gun. It still does 1250 DPS, putting a covops cloak on that is absolutely ridiculous.
Let's not exaggerate sweetie. And you're ignoring the fact it has the tank of a damp tissue. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
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