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Randey Miromme
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:12:00 -
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Running C3 with duel drakes or Carrier/Drake with assigned fighters? Does having carrier in gang or fighters assigned cause the additional BS spawn?
What is the m3 to move mins into a wh? and what would be the build time? Cost is not an issue.
Thanks in advance for the info... |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:24:00 -
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Only C5 and 6 get the capital escalations. Generally its not worth building a carrier in lower class wormholes, fighters will struggle to hit sub battleships sized targets for any significant damage not to mention get BBQ'd by the sleepers if you don't have something there to rep them. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:46:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Generally its not worth building a carrier in lower class wormholes...
While I mostly agree with you, I beg to differ just a little bit . Having a carrier to help run sites -- particularly in a C4 -- makes a huge difference; you can set your sub-caps up for DPS, range, and resists, and rely on the carrier reps. You can immensely speed up C4 site-running with such a setup.
Common-sense security measures are in order in such a case, of course: roll all holes but the static, have good security. etc. And once you've run all the sites in your home system, it will be a little while before they populate again, so it's typically not an everyday thing.
Carriers also give a great home-field advantage in C4 and below since opponents cannot possibly bring their own unless they also build one there. However, when you're ready to move out, carriers can make the sale of a hole take a bit longer while you search for the right buyer! My opinion is: if you have the ISK, minerals, and ability, why not build a capital in a bottle? |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:20:00 -
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As you pointed out there are exceptions but unless you really really want to stick to sub C5 or don't have the players/characters to escalate as a generalisation your far better off moving to a C5/6 if you've got capital pilots than building one in a lower class system. |
Alundil
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:10:00 -
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Less risk to dual drake setups and in a C3 there's not really a need for a site running carrier. Couple reasons (more sub battleships means the fighters won't be as effective, lose 2-3 fighters = drake, two rr tengu will be one of the more effective setups in C3 systems).
Capitals are ok in lower class holes if you are planning on digging in and "never" leaving.... Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:16:00 -
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and yet no one has mentioned that you could just spam t1 drones from the carrier instead of fighters
Also home field advantage when sieged. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:17:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:and yet no one has mentioned that you could just spam t1 drones from the carrier instead of fighters Also home field advantage when sieged.
From using the word assigned I assume he was going to park the carrier just outside POS FF and assign fighters to a ship thats in the site - drones can't be assigned like that as they have no warp drive. (and being pedantic you don't siege a carrier). |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:57:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Job Valador wrote:and yet no one has mentioned that you could just spam t1 drones from the carrier instead of fighters Also home field advantage when sieged. From using the word assigned I assume he was going to park the carrier just outside POS FF and assign fighters to a ship thats in the site - drones can't be assigned like that as they have no warp drive. (and being pedantic you don't siege a carrier).
when I typed sieged i meant the wh was sieged.
and ive found fighters are more trouble than they are worth when it comes too pve. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:19:00 -
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Ah I just read siege and didn't consider the context. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:26:00 -
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Personally i find carriers in C3s to be great. Proven very useful in fighter assignment for PvE as well as extra dps for taking down those damn custom offices, and shows you are willing to fight to defend your hole. Though solo it's extremely vunerable anywhere but at the POS, warp it anywhere else in system and its nothing but a giant glowing PvP magnet just begging to get exploded.
As far as moving in materials, personally i bought the components and skipped the materials. It took 2 and a bit freighter runs, maxed out, so probably about 1.8million m3 ish, which amounted to about 60 iteron mk5 runs ish. Took absolutely ages! I believe we had to do it over two seperate days, waiting between for a safe-ish exit to form. Once you have to components it only takes a few weeks to construct, but if you plan to make all the components as well you can expect it to take alot longer. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
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Alundil
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.08.15 05:24:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:and yet no one has mentioned that you could just spam t1 drones from the carrier instead of fighters Also home field advantage when sieged. Off course. However, OP specifically said "fighters assigned"
As as another comment points out, having a carrier solo (or with only another 1-2 sub caps) screams gank me at any other location than a POS.
It's just a bad idea for PVE scenarios in the lower class wormholes. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2013.08.15 08:01:00 -
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In a c3 or C2 the fighters will be able to hit the battleships pretty well with a painter or 2. A drake with HM/HAMs and a painter can clean up the frigates and cruisers fairly well. The question in my mind is will the drake be able to tank the more difficult sites in a C3. There are a number of C3 sites that I doubt a drake can solo tank.
I've been in C2/C3's with carriers and it's nice. Sites can be run very fast with carrier reps on the field. In pvp carriers are irresistible bait, and assigned fighters can tip the balance in small scale pvp. The issue is that solo you simply don't have the numbers to use the carrier effectively even dual or triple boxing things. A one man corp is going to in the end attract the wrong sort of attention. Not to mention without scouts to monitor existing holes, and have probes out it's hard to use the carrier effectively without risking a gank.
PS- The OP is suffering from the common mistaken belief that wormholes are more profitable solo than with a group. Sure it might seem you'd raking in the isk, but when you factor POS costs, losses against the ease of running sites with a group. It doesn't add up. The isk train in wspace is all about finding a group to run your static daily.... Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
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Posted - 2013.08.15 13:34:00 -
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Marsan wrote:In a c3 or C2 the fighters will be able to hit the battleships pretty well with a painter or 2. A drake with HM/HAMs and a painter can clean up the frigates and cruisers fairly well. The question in my mind is will the drake be able to tank the more difficult sites in a C3. There are a number of C3 sites that I doubt a drake can solo tank. ..
With Maxed BC skills You can get 800 Dps tank out of a drake....Your DPS is going to be horrible though as you need all the lows for SPR and Rigs for Purgers. |
Le'Mon Tichim
End-of-Line
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Posted - 2013.08.15 14:49:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:and yet no one has mentioned that you could just spam t1 drones from the carrier instead of fighters Also home field advantage when sieged.
Assuming they are properly fit, and no one rings the dinner bell. Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/ |
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