Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
373
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 06:37:00 -
[31] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote: Also it's my understanding that the skill used only covers a percentage of the deposit. Say for example 80% at level 5 ( that's probably too high ). So another solution would be if your buy order fails due to insufficient funds then you forefit a portion of the funds you did deposit to the seller without the seller giving you the goods.
I believe the correct figuer is 76%. Or 24%, depending on what side you look at it from. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4159
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 06:50:00 -
[32] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote:No ISK faucet at all. The fine is paid out of and deducted from the deposit initially put up by the buyer. Also the buy order is cancelled upon failing - preventing repeated deliberate milking.
You can deplete the escrow from orders without running out. Meaning that any fine sends the wallet into the negatives. Sending ISK that sends a wallet negative into someone else's wallet causes an ISK fountain. Putting control of that process into player hands makes it infinite. Q.E.D.
Quote:When a buy order fails nothing has been lost, unless some less weary player bought some junk at a hugely inflated price precisely because the buy order led them to believe they could make a quick profit. Also if a player has spent time and effort getting the good together, shipping them, then they are out of pocket - money and effort.
You lost money when you bought the junk. You lost the money when you spent the ISK and time shipping things. In other words, you lost the money when you didn't bother to do your research before investing into a market. The Margin trade skill has nothing to do with your loss.
Quote:You're obviously not stupid, so I can only assume that little bit of crooked thinking on your behalf is you trying to protect a vested interest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
Quote:Alternatively remove the fine completely if a character has completed trades over a certain threshold over the last 30 days. Or divide total value of all items sold by total qty of item sold for the selling character in the last xxx days to spot those characters specialising in low quantity high value items - and only apply it to them.
So penalize marketeers specializing in niche items? Or penalize marketeers who favor long holding positions?
What is the problem that you're trying to fix? The "margin trade" scam is over once you've bought the items. Your failure to turn around and sell them at an inflated price is irrelevant. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
45
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 10:32:00 -
[33] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote:Some simple solutions:
Change the colour of buy orders where insufficient funds exist to cover the purchase to red. Straight away it obvious something is up with that particular buy order. Anyone asking why in local, corp etc would find out very quickly.
Also it's my understanding that the skill used only covers a percentage of the deposit. Say for example 80% at level 5 ( that's probably too high ). So another solution would be if your buy order fails due to insufficient funds then you forefit a portion of the funds you did deposit to the seller without the seller giving you the goods.
Using my made up numbers of : the skill at 5 reducing the deposit by 80%, and choosing a default penalty of 50% this is how a typical market trading scam would look now. Buy order for 1 billion costs 20% ( 100%-80% ) to put up ( ignoring fees for simplicity ). = 200 million deposit.
Another player comes along and tries to sell the requested item. Sale fails due to insufficient funds. Seller ( who is the victim under current rules ) gets 50% of the deposit = 100Million simply transferred to their wallet. Scamming buyer gets the remainder 100M refunded. The buy order is cancelled and removed automatically straight away ( to stop it being repeatedly milked ). Item does not change hands.
This scam type would simply stop overnight.
To minimise the impact on genuine traders you could do a few things: The rule only comes into effect for buy orders over a certain value, say 500 millionish - or choose a different number. The penalty could be capped at any amount - even a low amount around 10 million would hurt the scammers.
Add the two together - red font for insufficient funds in the buy order lsitings, and an ISK penalty for a failed buy order and the scam would no longer be viable.
Or you just use common sense and do not buy items on the market/contracts that will be filled to a buy order that is highly overvalued and has a minimum item quantity. Simple as that. |
Lord LazyGhost
Pissed Every Night Including Sundays
91
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 11:00:00 -
[34] - Quote
or you could just remove margin trading from the game all together. problem fixed done dusted thanx i am here all day |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
36
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 12:00:00 -
[35] - Quote
Khoul Ay'd wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:... you're KILLING THE SYSTEM. NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANY TRADE IN THE GAME BECAUSE THEY CANT TRUST THE GAME... Funny, I've been buying and selling all week. Oh, and I've never run a margin trading scam.
Neither have I because i know of it but it also keeps me from relying on any of the buy orders to try to fill them THE REASON IT KILLS THE SYSTEM = WHAT I JUST SAID!!!
idiots
I cant put up a buy order for something rarely traded, to try to boost it, because people think like you and I do, well they dont think as logically as me.
for all i know, you're trying to defend your illegitimate use of this, as in you being one of the culprits |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
36
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 12:06:00 -
[36] - Quote
Sable Moran wrote:You know I have this knife and I can do all kinds of stuff with it, slice bread, carve a boat out of bark, make a whistle out of a branch of a willow tree, make some kindling, cut a rubber hose. I can also carve the eyes of someone from theirs sockets with it. You're saying that we should ban knives because of that one bad thing. Silly.
Oh and one more thing, just because you use UPPER CASE a lot does not make you post any less full of drivel.
I put things uppercause sometimes to try to help people understand the logic they ignore or lack. People are ignorant because they IGNORE the truth or facts, fearing to read it or understand it. They're scared of having an epiphany; when so scared, they even go as far as trying to refute the truth in an attempt to justify their ignorance.
how about I write you a check and then take the money out of the account. it then would be karma for people to say the same thing to you, after you start "driveling" as you call it.
If you dont think this is wrong PLEASE give me an item number of something you're selling on ebay and then we'll see what you have to say.
People have something to say about something that doesnt involve them UNTIL it does have something to do with them.
Adding you to the scammer list, as you're probably trying to keep marging trading how it is because of you using it illegitimately |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4163
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 13:01:00 -
[37] - Quote
Elvis Preslie wrote:how about I write you a check and then take the money out of the account. it then would be karma for people to say the same thing to you, after you start "driveling" as you call it.
If only margin trading gave the buyer the item without paying the seller the money, that would be a valid comparison.
Quote:It disguists me how people have something against what someone says, not because of what the person said, but because of how the person LOOKS that said it or how they said it.
Adding you to the scammer list, as you're probably trying to keep marging trading how it is because of you using it illegitimately.
Quote:It disguists me how people have something against what someone says, not because of what the person said, but because of how the person LOOKS that said it or how they said it.
"I hate people who try to poison the well with baseless accusations"
"Pay no attention to the bucket of cyanide I'm dropping in the watering hole" "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine The Unforgiven Alliance
44
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 14:50:00 -
[38] - Quote
OK so I think I get your point now. My original idea is very simply adapted by making the fine a percentage of the REMAINING escrow, or capping it at the remaining escrow amount. Agreed nothing should be allowed to go negative - but I think that could have been taken as a given by any honest thinker. I very much feel your average individual would have understood and assumed you couldn't get out more than you put in. That any proposal in the event that it would ever get implemented would be adjusted by CCP as they saw fit to make it water tight.
You throw around poisoning the well, yet you'll nit pick a very fine point deliberately choosing to snag on it, rather than be constructive, obstructive seems to be your preferred choice.And you might want to read that link you posted about poisoning the well, I think perhaps it does not mean what you think it means. Saying you are clearly not stupid, is a far stretch from poisoning the well - it acknowledges that you have reasoned well, and that your objections have merit. You are however quite clearly a crooked thinker, who prefers sly and deceptive over constructive.
As I've stated before I'd happily entertain the argument that scamming is a part of eve, it may even be possible to argue that there aren't enough mechanisms in Eve for scammers. Yes people should do research, but this type of market scam is one of the more subtle. False buy orders are a part of this scam and it's one of the few ( only? ) instances where the CCP game interface actually gives you misleading information.
Without the fake buy order - no-one would fall for the overpriced sell order. The two are integral.
To be honest I enjoy that Eve is the one game where players do actually have to keep their wits about them. Some of the cleverer scams take work and imagination. This probably is one of the less obvious scams, but I'm not keen that the game interface providing misleading information is part of it. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4165
|
Posted - 2013.09.16 15:29:00 -
[39] - Quote
virm pasuul wrote:OK so I think I get your point now. My original idea is very simply adapted by making the fine a percentage of the REMAINING escrow, or capping it at the remaining escrow amount. Agreed nothing should be allowed to go negative - but I think that could have been taken as a given by any honest thinker. I very much feel your average individual would have understood and assumed you couldn't get out more than you put in. That any proposal in the event that it would ever get implemented would be adjusted by CCP as they saw fit to make it water tight.
I critique what I have in front of me. You made a proposal, I pointed out a flaw.
Now you're implying that I'm a dishonest thinker for not editing your proposal for you.
Quote:You throw around poisoning the well, yet you'll nit pick a very fine point deliberately choosing to snag on it, rather than be constructive, obstructive seems to be your preferred choice.And you might want to read that link you posted about poisoning the well, I think perhaps it does not mean what you think it means. Saying you are clearly not stupid, is a far stretch from poisoning the well - it acknowledges that you have reasoned well, and that your objections have merit. You are however quite clearly a crooked thinker, who prefers sly and deceptive over constructive.
For anyone to be constructive in solving a problem, there first has to be a problem. Nobody's bothered to explain what exactly the problem with the Margin Trading skill is.
There's been a lot of bleating about somehow deserving to automatically sell things at above market value prices just because you bought from an overpriced order, but no explanation of who exactly gets harmed by a buy order failing, or what's special about buy orders disappearing due to an escrow failure rather than being beaten to the deal.
But hey, there's that attempt to poison the well again, to disguise the fact that you can't put together a cogent rebuttal. (Hint: It's not the calling me smart that's poisoning the well. It's the implication, which you just repeated, that I have an untoward interest in the subject.)
Quote:As I've stated before I'd happily entertain the argument that scamming is a part of eve, it may even be possible to argue that there aren't enough mechanisms in Eve for scammers. Yes people should do research, but this type of market scam is one of the more subtle. False buy orders are a part of this scam and it's one of the few ( only? ) instances where the CCP game interface actually gives you misleading information.
Without the fake buy order - no-one would fall for the overpriced sell order. The two are integral.
You should see the new model of this scam then, an overpriced WTB contract for a Officer whatever and a T2 BPO. No Margin skill needed. Someone buys the officer whatever and T2 BPC and whoops.
The Interface actually gives no misleading information. People do tend to misinterpret what a buy order actually is, but that's their problem, not the interface's.
Quote:To be honest I enjoy that Eve is the one game where players do actually have to keep their wits about them. Some of the cleverer scams take work and imagination. This probably is one of the less obvious scams, but I'm not keen that the game interface providing misleading information is part of it.
The game interface provides all the information needed to clearly identify and avoid this scam. This information is presented in a way that guarantees that it's been presented to anyone who does their normal due diligence before investing in an item. What more do you want? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
828
|
Posted - 2013.09.21 21:51:00 -
[40] - Quote
Elvis Preslie wrote:The margin trading skill is a good idea but ONLY if implemented correctly.
As a business fiscal management stratagem, it's used in the real world.
In the end eve is just a game, but it also follows the "caveat emptor" philosophy. |
|
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2013.09.24 21:01:00 -
[41] - Quote
how would I able to tell if Buy order is margin or not? |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2324
|
Posted - 2013.09.25 05:35:00 -
[42] - Quote
He mad? ooooo he mad! Just buy your crap at a market hub and you wont have this issue. (Or you could just read the orders properly.) Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4221
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 21:10:00 -
[43] - Quote
unidenify wrote:how would I able to tell if Buy order is margin or not?
Sell to it. If it fails, shrug and sell to the order offering .01 ISK less.
(If there isn't a robust set of buy orders, consider the risk of betting everything you have that you're the only one who spotted the incredibly profitable offer being spammed in Jita local.) "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
533
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 22:02:00 -
[44] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:unidenify wrote:how would I able to tell if Buy order is margin or not? Sell to it. If it fails, shrug and sell to the order offering .01 ISK less. (If there isn't a robust set of buy orders, consider the risk of betting everything you have that you're the only one who spotted the incredibly profitable offer being spammed in Jita local.) :) this sounds very reasonable.
Of course I think a week ago I saw a list of 15 to 20 overpriced buy orders on modules worth 10% of what was listed, and of course in local someone spamming wanting to part with the exact same module for 90% of what appeared on buy orders.
The best advice, if it looks like a big payday then it probably is, just not for you. :) # Don't pay someone else for doing nothing and don't expect the same.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
4221
|
Posted - 2013.09.27 22:21:00 -
[45] - Quote
Goldiiee wrote:RubyPorto wrote:unidenify wrote:how would I able to tell if Buy order is margin or not? Sell to it. If it fails, shrug and sell to the order offering .01 ISK less. (If there isn't a robust set of buy orders, consider the risk of betting everything you have that you're the only one who spotted the incredibly profitable offer being spammed in Jita local.) :) this sounds very reasonable. Of course I think a week ago I saw a list of 15 to 20 overpriced buy orders on modules worth 10% of what was listed, and of course in local someone spamming wanting to part with the exact same module for 90% of what appeared on buy orders. The best advice, if it looks like a big payday then it probably is, just not for you. :) # Don't pay someone else for doing nothing and don't expect the same.
I forgot to mention the most important thing. For any item you want to invest in, look at the market history and don't overpay. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
Raphael Celestine
Sovereign Industry
22
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 09:37:00 -
[46] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:For anyone to be constructive in solving a problem, there first has to be a problem. Nobody's bothered to explain what exactly the problem with the Margin Trading skill is.
There's been a lot of bleating about somehow deserving to automatically sell things at above market value prices just because you bought from an overpriced order, but no explanation of who exactly gets harmed by a buy order failing, or what's special about buy orders disappearing due to an escrow failure rather than being beaten to the deal. I'd argue that there's a problem when the market is displaying orders that cannot possibly be sold to at all.
In particular, the problem is that those orders can be made to look exactly like a legitimate order.* A new player who doesn't know that the Margin Trading skill exists can come across a scam where they are unable to spot the trap even if they are looking for one. I can't think of a single other scam in EVE which can't be detected by a sufficiently close examination of the items/contract/etc. (Other than the ones that rely on a player outright lying to you, of course...)
What I'd like to see is for the skill to be changed so that all orders still need to be at least partly fillable. Any time the escrow (or escrow plus wallet) doesn't have enough ISK to cover the minimum purchase (I.E. purchase price * minimum quantity), the order should fail preemptively.
This would barely affect anyone using the margin trading skill legitimately - if you're using the margin-trading skill 'as intended', you should be expecting to always have more than enough ISK on hand to buy at least one item, even though you don't have enough ISK to buy all of the items. On the other hand, it means that a margin trading scam can't be set up without being exploitable.
*The primary giveaways are minimum quanities greater than one, buy orders higher than a sell-order at the same station, and spikes on the sales history where the seller cleared his escrow - but neither of those are actually necessary for the scam. They make it more efficient, certainly, but it's perfectly possible to set up the scam so that none apply. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4223
|
Posted - 2013.10.01 17:29:00 -
[47] - Quote
Raphael Celestine wrote:A new player who doesn't know that the Margin Trading skill exists
New players don't have enough ISK to fall for a margin scam.
Quote:can come across a scam where they are unable to spot the trap even if they are looking for one. I can't think of a single other scam in EVE which can't be detected by a sufficiently close examination of the items/contract/etc. (Other than the ones that rely on a player outright lying to you, of course...)
The general, "if it's too good to be true" maxim works well for spotting this trap. Anyone interested in investing in anything should understand the real value of the good they plan on investing in, and not pay more than that value.
Remember, the scam is over once you've bought the overpriced good.
Quote:What I'd like to see is for the skill to be changed so that all orders still need to be at least partly fillable. Any time the escrow (or escrow plus wallet) doesn't have enough ISK to cover the minimum purchase (I.E. purchase price * minimum quantity), the order should fail preemptively.
An order failing cannot possibly hurt anyone but the person who's order it is. Why should the server check the wallet and every order of every character every single time any of their orders is touched to prevent a situation that cannot possibly hurt anyone? Why should newer market players suffer a cascading failure of orders every time they run into a liquidity crunch?
Also, any order is partly fillable. You don't have to sell your items at the price listed on a buy order, you can sell to it at a lower price.
Quote:This would barely affect anyone using the margin trading skill legitimately
Find a citation for CCP's definition of "legitimate use" of the margin trading skill, and show me where it excludes scamming.
Scamming is legitimate gameplay in EVE. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
d-£-󦦦º-ó-ꦪ¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-󦦦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Ŧ+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ǧ¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ꦽ¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ |
Myriad Blaze
75
|
Posted - 2013.10.02 18:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
The only "issue" I see with the Margin Trading skill is that you can deplete the escrow to zero (and it's debateable if that's an issue at all).
From the skill description it seems that the minimum level of the escrow is supposed to be 24% of the order value. I'd say depleting the escrow is an example of emergent gameplay and it was a brilliant idea from whoever came up with this first. But it seems unlikely that depleting the escrow to zero was intended when the skill was designed.
A "fix" seems to be simple (at least in theory - no idea how difficult it would be to code it or how much impact it would have on server stress): Make it so, that the escrow is always at the minimum level. If the escrow falls below the threshold, for example because of a filled order, the system should draw the isk from the wallet of the order owner to refill the escrow to the minimum level; and if there isn't enough isk in the wallet the order fails. That way you could still set up margin trading scams but would risk some isk doing so. And people who recognize the scam for what it is (and usually that's not so difficult) have a chance to get the isk from the scammer ... if they can do some simple math and have the item(s) needed available.
However, as with all "fixes" you would have to evaluate if the "cost" to fix something is justified by the outcome. The Margin Trading Scam adds some danger to market PvP and forces traders to stay alert. Somehow I think that this is very fitting for this game. And therefor I'm not so sure it would be worth it to spend development time on this just to make it riskier for scammers. At least I would put it very low on the priority list.
|
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
60
|
Posted - 2013.10.10 12:21:00 -
[49] - Quote
ah yes the rare and delicious "margin tears"
thank you for letting us all know your a sucker "buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"
- you |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2702
|
Posted - 2013.10.10 18:42:00 -
[50] - Quote
First off, there is a big difference between writing a "bad check" a failed buy order. With the bad check, you actually acquire the goods and services you were buying. With a failed buy order, you lose broker fees and gain nothing!
Have you ever ordered drive through only to discover you don't have your wallet? Ever have a prescription filled only to leave it behind because you don't have your insurance card? As long as you don't take possession of the food (aka like eat the food before realizing you can't pay for it), there are very few recourses a business can take against you.
Many businesses deal with "false buy orders" on a regular basis. The majority of times it is accidental, and they eat the cost of prepping the food and hope to sell it to someone else. Sometimes it is malicious (did you ever have unpaid pizza delivered to someone as a prank?), and in these cases the Business owners take steps to avoid future losses.
In EvE, which is purposely dystopic, you too can suffer from "false buy orders". You can also implement good business practices to avoid future losses (like researching the true value of your goods, as well as their sales volume and volatility). And unlike the above scenarios, when the buy order fails, you keep the goods, which are NOT perishable, meaning it is even easier to avoid losses like the above.
In short.... do some research when engaging in trade-for-money, and quit trying to change the market system because your to lazy or incompetent to cope with this simple concept.
|
|
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Forsak3n.
624
|
Posted - 2013.10.12 05:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:**wisdom and truth** Why aren't you on the CSM? Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Compulsory Euthanasia
967
|
Posted - 2013.10.14 06:16:00 -
[52] - Quote
Thank you for the entertainment.
Was even better than the 1-+ PLEX worth of ISK I took you for (well, it cost you 1.7 PLEX worth but broker fees are expensive so I only got 1.5). Wish I had seen this thread earlier; I've just gone and linked it in four scammer channels. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Sgt Bamcis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.10.16 01:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
I just saw this thread. I lol'd.
OP got scammed.
Sucka. |
Sgt Bamcis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2013.10.16 01:36:00 -
[54] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote: *smart stuff*
I'd like to subscribe to your news letter. |
Altaren Famas
Inner 5phere
1
|
Posted - 2013.10.29 03:11:00 -
[55] - Quote
Havent read thru 3 pages so dunno if this was already suggested. I wonder if we could have like an escrow for buy orders. Put in some isk and you can place orders that dont exceed that amount. If an order fills isk gets drawn from the escrow. If you dont have enough isk inside orders that are over what you have get put on hold - made invisible until you put more isk in. Curious if thar would work or if i am missing something obvious. |
Fluffy Sheep
Contra Operative Knights
15
|
Posted - 2013.10.29 18:37:00 -
[56] - Quote
Here is an idea CCP will like: Another skill for people to train
A skill that lets someone remotely check if an order has the funds or materials needed to complete the transaction. Each level of the skill increases the distance this can be done at as with the other trading skills.
Problem solved for those with the skill injected and trained to at least lvl1.
Open a market order, click the check button and it says if it's able to be filled or not. If you are out of range, it tells you so and sugsests you train your skill higher. |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |